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[noddy]

right.

i thought the point was that the "movement" of progressive white girls and their camp fashion designers isnt particularly friendly/relevant to actual gay people who arent playing that camp game.

i think you may be attacking a strawman nobody was talking about.

[Apollonius]

Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.

Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.

Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?

Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.

I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.

What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.

[Simple Minded]

Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?

Sure sounds like it.... but I thought the expression was "some of my best friends are black?"

although with a bit more thought it kinda sounds like "The gay people I know are REAL gays!" If DINOs and RINOs exist in the political world, then Shirley, GINOs and QINOs must exist in the sexuality world?

More extensive testing is needed......

Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.

I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.

What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.

Sounds like "gay" is no more of an accurate descriptor than black, white, left, right, smart, dumb....... Strange how individual personalities disrupt the best of the cohesive "We" theories. Other than people who actually look other people in the eye and talk to them face to face, who knew?

"Two gay guys vs. Two hundred lesbians?" sound like a potential mega-hit porn movie!

Do you have any video of the event? Asking for a friend.....

[Simple Minded]

Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.

I wanna hear more about how you litmus tested this observation.....

[Zack Morris]

Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.

Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.

Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?

Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.

I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.

What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.

We are in a phase of human development now where being gay just isn't important anymore. That's a good thing.

[Simple Minded]

Seems to me, before pride can be established and acknowledged, each demographic group must select a spokesperson to speak for the entire group and everyone else in each group must STFU or any meaningful discussion is impossible.

Each group must police it's own ranks in terms of group identity purity, and silence the non-real gays, queers, blacks, whites, dems, repubs, straights, etc. who don't do anything other than muddy up the waters.

[Apollonius]

Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.

Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.

Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?

Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.

I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.

What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.

We are in a phase of human development now where being gay just isn't important anymore. That's a good thing.

These organizations should disband. They not only do not help gay people, by now they are actually helping to foster negative attitudes.

[Typhoon]

Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.

Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.

Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?

Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.

I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.

What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.

We are in a phase of human development now where being gay just isn't important anymore. That's a good thing.

These organizations should disband. They not only do not help gay people, by now they are actually helping to foster negative attitudes.

Sounds like a classic example of mission creep.

Looked it up. Same-sex marriage has been legal in Canada since 2005 and discrimination based on sexual orientation is prohibited by the Canadian Human Rights Act. So you have a point.

[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

Rod Dreher interviews an author of a very important book.......

Many Christians today are embarrassed by traditional Christian sexual teaching, and see it as a ball and chain that the church needs to lose so it can appeal to contemporary people. Why is this wrong?

It is wrong because it assumes that Christian sexual teaching is simply about behavior and, as such, can be relativized as a function of the conventions of particular societies, with no universal significance. Yet that is incorrect both theologically and anthropologically. Theologically, it fails to see that sex is an analogue of Christ and the church. Anthropologically, it fails to see that our sexual ethics are directly related to our understanding of what it means to be a human person. To buy into the contemporary sexual narrative is to buy into two (not obviously consistent) notions: that sexual desire constitutes our identity; and that sexual activity is nothing more than recreation, the morality of which is not intrinsic to the act but merely determined by the giving or withholding of consent. Neither of these is compatible with orthodox Christian notions of human personhood. The former trivializes what it means to be human; the latter trivializes what sex represents. No Christian can do either of these things and maintain that they still represent orthodoxy.

So as I see it, identity is the core of the modern self. Desire is its primary expression and subjective feeling is its foundation. It calls the first liberated autonomy and the latter rationality. It is shallow and historically illiterate. Christianity can't find a foothold in modernity because Christians themselves are shallow and historically illiterate, in short they're moderns too.....'>......

[Simple Minded]

Rod Dreher interviews an author of a very important book.......

Many Christians today are embarrassed by traditional Christian sexual teaching, and see it as a ball and chain that the church needs to lose so it can appeal to contemporary people. Why is this wrong?

It is wrong because it assumes that Christian sexual teaching is simply about behavior and, as such, can be relativized as a function of the conventions of particular societies, with no universal significance. Yet that is incorrect both theologically and anthropologically. Theologically, it fails to see that sex is an analogue of Christ and the church. Anthropologically, it fails to see that our sexual ethics are directly related to our understanding of what it means to be a human person. To buy into the contemporary sexual narrative is to buy into two (not obviously consistent) notions: that sexual desire constitutes our identity; and that sexual activity is nothing more than recreation, the morality of which is not intrinsic to the act but merely determined by the giving or withholding of consent. Neither of these is compatible with orthodox Christian notions of human personhood. The former trivializes what it means to be human; the latter trivializes what sex represents. No Christian can do either of these things and maintain that they still represent orthodoxy.

So as I see it, identity is the core of the modern self. Desire is its primary expression and subjective feeling is its foundation. It calls the first liberated autonomy and the latter rationality. It is shallow and historically illiterate. Christianity can't find a foothold in modernity because Christians themselves are shallow and historically illiterate, in short they're moderns too.....'>......

"We" should focus on the common ground of "we all are breeders."

Anyone who does not have a biological mother and/or father can form their own club.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Politics poisons everything it touches. ‘Pride’ was a great movement at first but now it is passé. All that matters anymore is power.

[noddy]

without the context of the history for it - being proud in having genitals and being prepared to use them is an awfully sillly thing.

you would hope its got a short lifespan, in generational terms.

[Simple Minded]

well said none & noddy.

especially now that "sexual preference" as a voluntary choice is considered "offensive."

I'm proud of my skin color, genitals, and other traits I was born with is as silly as being proud one is left handed.

It really has nothing to do with one's efforts or accomplishments, only a desire for the proper reaction from others.

[Nonc Hilaire]

without the context of the history for it - being proud in having genitals and being prepared to use them is an awfully sillly thing.

you would hope its got a short lifespan, in generational terms.

No, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.

The degeneration of the movement began when the movement demanded forced acceptance of their half-baked opinions. The potentially rich conversation about different viewpoints on love and sex was skipped entirely in favor of strident intolerance and it has been cascading downhill ever since.

[Doc]

without the context of the history for it - being proud in having genitals and being prepared to use them is an awfully sillly thing.

you would hope its got a short lifespan, in generational terms.

No, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.

The degeneration of the movement began when the movement demanded forced acceptance of their half-baked opinions. The potentially rich conversation about different viewpoints on love and sex was skipped entirely in favor of strident intolerance and it has been cascading downhill ever since.

The left, no matter what corner of it, doesn't seem to have any knowledge of the concept of "Brakes"

[noddy]

without the context of the history for it - being proud in having genitals and being prepared to use them is an awfully sillly thing.

you would hope its got a short lifespan, in generational terms.

No, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.

no argument there - im old enough to remember how gay folks were treated by the rules and i believe it was still illegal in some states for the first half of my life.

without the context of it being a reaction to the previous bad politics, its an absurd thing, this whole identity of genitals world.

.. but we did have the absurd thing of making people illegal for it, so we have what we have.

[Simple Minded]

without the context of the history for it - being proud in having genitals and being prepared to use them is an awfully sillly thing.

you would hope its got a short lifespan, in generational terms.

No, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.

no argument there - im old enough to remember how gay folks were treated by the rules and i believe it was still illegal in some states for the first half of my life.

without the context of it being a reaction to the previous bad politics, its an absurd thing, this whole identity of genitals world.

.. but we did have the absurd thing of making people illegal for it, so we have what we have.

good points gents.

Whenever the movements shift into the political realm, and thereby change from "stop persecuting me cause I'm _______" to "in your face, worship my _______-ness" they always go off the rails.

noddy's discussion of tossing a handful of sand into the wind is an excellent example of the problems associated with group identity politics. Once "_______-ness" becomes an "official" political group identity, the standards of behavior, thought, and appearance are automatically imposed and expected.

It is an interesting packaging concept. "We" will grant your group identity some status, but in return for our acceptance, you must talk, walk, behave, and appear in compliance with our group identity standards. It's a lot like an AKC Dog Show. This is what a purebred Great Dane looks like, this are the acceptable colors, this is the proper confirmation, etc. Comply or we will not certify your group identity,

Jason Whitlock has been on a roll lately talking about how White Liberals carefully control the defining aspects of what a Black person should be. Biden was clued in on the strategy: "If you don't vote for me, you're not Black!"

"Ya know, ya got yer good blanks and yer bad blanks, and here's the check list for telling them apart."

Go ahead, be "______" and get out of my face cause it's none of my business anyway seems a reasonable solution.

[Simple Minded]

The whole Pride/Group Identity thing reminds me of the ORZ saying:

"You are the slave of all those from whom you seek approval."

[Apollonius]

Television isn't gay enough says the New York Times - Cockburn, The Spectator, 16 January 2021
https://spectator.us/topic/television-g ... ork-times/

It’s headline news at the New York Times: television is getting less gay! ...



Of course, it’s 2021, not 2013, so the Times isn’t satisfied with pushing one identity-group grievance at a time. Instead, the paper is tracking all kinds of headcounts. Not only is TV too straight by showing gays merely two and a half times as often as they appear in real life. It’s also (recite these words like a prayer and you will understand them better) Too White and Too Male:

‘Representation of women remained unchanged at 46 percent of series regulars on broadcast television, but they are still underrepresented, as they make up 51 percent of the US population, according to the Census Bureau.

The percentage of Black characters on broadcast television remained about the same at 22 percent (slightly down from last season’s 23 percent), while the percentage of Latino characters decreased, to 7 percent from 9 percent.’


Cockburn appreciates that the Times felt it necessary to cite Census Bureau data to remind its readers that, yes, women are about half of the population. Easy to forget! For some mysterious reason, though, the Times does not feel obliged to mention that black Americans are just 13.5 percent of the American population, and thus healthily overrepresented on the nation’s screens. Asians, meanwhile, are so irrelevant to the Times that they aren’t even mentioned at all.

[Simple Minded]

Television isn't gay enough says the New York Times - Cockburn, The Spectator, 16 January 2021
https://spectator.us/topic/television-g ... ork-times/

It’s headline news at the New York Times: television is getting less gay! ...



Of course, it’s 2021, not 2013, so the Times isn’t satisfied with pushing one identity-group grievance at a time. Instead, the paper is tracking all kinds of headcounts. Not only is TV too straight by showing gays merely two and a half times as often as they appear in real life. It’s also (recite these words like a prayer and you will understand them better) Too White and Too Male:

‘Representation of women remained unchanged at 46 percent of series regulars on broadcast television, but they are still underrepresented, as they make up 51 percent of the US population, according to the Census Bureau.

The percentage of Black characters on broadcast television remained about the same at 22 percent (slightly down from last season’s 23 percent), while the percentage of Latino characters decreased, to 7 percent from 9 percent.’


Cockburn appreciates that the Times felt it necessary to cite Census Bureau data to remind its readers that, yes, women are about half of the population. Easy to forget! For some mysterious reason, though, the Times does not feel obliged to mention that black Americans are just 13.5 percent of the American population, and thus healthily overrepresented on the nation’s screens. Asians, meanwhile, are so irrelevant to the Times that they aren’t even mentioned at all.

Thanks for posting Apollonius. As long as "those people" stay focus on TV, Social Media, and virtual reality, that's a good thing.

"TV doesn't reflect my ideals!" I can get along just fine with neighbors like that.

[Typhoon]

NY Post | Homosexuality can be classified as a mental health disorder, rules PR Chinese court

[Simple Minded]

NY Post | Homosexuality can be classified as a mental health disorder, rules PR Chinese court

The Chi-Coms are catching up to the woke west. First step, declare yourself a victim!!! Then you can bitch at the rest of humanity while petitioning them for a cure and/or special privilege.

There's probably a vaccine in the works to cure homosexuality......

Nothing cures "excessive specialness" like "too much attention!"

F**k me! I'll bet big money that COVID-20 will cure wokeness, blackness, gayness, butthurt, and in-yer-faceness......

"Hey China, I got a favor to ask......"

[Typhoon]

NY Post | Homosexuality can be classified as a mental health disorder, rules PR Chinese court

The Chi-Coms are catching up to the woke west. First step, declare yourself a victim!!! Then you can bitch at the rest of humanity while petitioning them for a cure and/or special privilege.

There's probably a vaccine in the works to cure homosexuality......

Nothing cures "excessive specialness" like "too much attention!"

F**k me! I'll bet big money that COVID-20 will cure wokeness, blackness, gayness, butthurt, and in-yer-faceness......

"Hey China, I got a favor to ask......"

The amusing bit is that I occasionally watch PR China TV dramas to practise my poor Chinese. A suprisingly common theme is drag.
Typically women in drag pretending to be men. Especially in the fantasy historical genre. Sometimes men transported back in time,
but into the body of a woman.
Enough that it makes me wonder if it is a understated form of protest/activism by the the gay cohort of the arts community.

Exhibit A:

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Same applies to Korean dramas.

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[Typhoon]

The Spectator | Some women have penises. If you won’t sleep with them you’re transphobic

[crashtech66]

This stuff doesn't affect me much now that I'm officially old. If I ended up a widower I'd probably be a volcel. But that Korean show in particular looks hilarious, I wonder how one in the US might subscribe to a service which offers it?

Edit: Nevermind, I signed up for the Rakuten Viki free trial. This should be fun.

Edit2: All I get is "Something Went Wrong" when trying to watch. I guess Korean TV is too much for sensitive American eyes...