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Ukraine Enters Hyperinflation: Currency Trading Halted, "Soon We Will Walk Around With Suitcases For Cash"
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/25/2015 11:02 -0500

Yesterday we summarized the most recent economic, political and social situation in Ukraine as follows:

"A year or so on from the last coup in Ukraine, Ukraine’s former Prime Minister Sergey Arbuzov told TASS, with growing popular discontent, "another state coup can’t be ruled out in Ukraine." As the cease-fire deal hangs torn and tattered in the Debaltseve winds, the nation is a mess: a new gas dispute looms as Gazprom demands upfront payments; capital controls have been tightened as the $17.5bn IMF loan may not be enough; and the central bank governor faces prosecution as the economy craters. All of these factors have driven massive outflows from Ukraine and the Hryvnia has crashed to over 33 to the USD - a record high (and 70% devaluation from the last coup)."

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So as the Ukraine government watches its country go down in flames, with the blessings of the US State Department of course, it decided to take action. According to Reuters, with the hryvnia in free fall (see above) the central bank tried to call a halt on Wednesday by banning banks from buying foreign currency on behalf of their clients for the rest of this week.

Although banks could still trade with each other, by mid-morning there were no registered trades at any rate, leaving the currency in limbo. The previous day, the central bank rate based on reported trades had fallen 11 percent against the dollar.

Exchange kiosks on the streets in Kiev were selling limited amounts of dollars for 39 hryvnias, around 20 percent worse than the rates advertised in the windows of commercial banks where dollars were not available. This compares to the official rate of 33 USDUAH posted yesterday, a rate which will continue in freefall, now that the central bank has no more gold left to sell (it's mysteriously gone), and virtually no foreign reserves.

Following the closing of the FX market closing, the central bank has been able to artificially dictate the interbank rate, which it reduced from 32 to 24 hryvnias as of 12:45 p.m. local time. The artificial rate only affects exporters, who are forced to sell 75 percent of their foreign currency revenue to the National Bank at the rate.

Even the Ukraine government is shocked by what is going on: "I learned this morning on the Internet that the National Bank of Ukraine has, as usual on its own without any sort of consultations, made the decision to close the interbank currency market, which will absolutely not add to the stability of the national currency that the national bank is responsible for. This situation has a very complex and negative influence on the country's economy," Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said.

The Ukrainian National Bank chairwoman Valeriya Hontareva, however, contradicted the Prime Minister's statement. "We coordinate all administrative measures with the International Monetary Fund first, and only then implement them," Hontareva told reporters.

In short: total chaos, which is indicative of any country's collapse into the hyperinflationary abyss.

It gets better. According to RIA, on Tuesday, Ukrainian television channel Ukraina announced that with the new exchange rate, the minimum wage in Ukraine stands at around $42.90 per month, which according to the channel, is lower than in Ghana or Zambia. There are currently no plans to raise the minimum wage until December.

Behold hyperinflation: "Food prices among producers rose 57.1 percent, with the price for grains and vegetables rising 91 percent from January 2014 to January 2015, while the official inflation rate over the period totaled 28.5 percent. Meanwhile, Ukrainian consumers responded to economic difficulties by cutting their spending in hryvnias by 22.6 percent, which amounts to an almost 40 percent decrease in real consumption."

And the punchline: "A construction worker exchanging dollars at a kiosk in a grocery shop in return for a bag filled with thousands of hryvnia, laughed and told shoppers: "Soon we will have to walk around with suitcases for cash, like in the 1990s.""

Which is ironic, because the central banks of "developed world" nations, most of which are now facing over 300% debt to consolidated GDP, would define Ukraine's imminent hyperinflation with just one word: "success."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-2 ... round-suit
No problem! The US and the EU will lend them all the money they need to purchase weapons which by the end of summer will all be in the hands of the insurgents... It shows how successful US and EU policies towards the Ukraine and Russia are. Great minds have great ideas!... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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How Far Is It From Kiev To Athens?
Posted by Raúl Ilargi Meijer at 3:18 am - February 25, 2015

Riddle me this, Batman. I don’t think I get it, and I definitely don’t get why nobody is asking any questions. The IMF and EU make a lot of noise – through the Eurogroup – about all the conditions Greece has to address to get even a mild extension of support, while the same IMF and EU keep on handing out cash to Ukraine without as much as a whisper – at least publicly.

The Kiev government, which has been ceaselessly and ruthlessly attacking its own people, is now portrayed as needing – monetary and military – western help in order to be able to ‘defend’ itself. From the people it’s been attacking, presumably. And hardly a soul in the west asks what that is all about.

Why did Kiev kill 5000 of its own citizens? Because there are people in East Ukraine who had – and still have – the guts to say they don’t want to be ruled by a regime willing to murder them for saying they don’t want to be ruled by it. And just in case there’s any confusion left about this, yes, that is the regime we are actively supporting, in undoubtedly many more ways than are made public. All the doubts about the western narrative are swept aside with one move: blame Putin.

Of the two countries, Greece, despite its humanitarian issues, is by far the luckiest one. Ukraine is quite a few steps further down the hill. One can be forgiven for contemplating that the west, aided by President Poroshenko and the Yats regime in Kiev, is dead set on obliterating the entire nation.

There are again peace talks under way, with no – direct – Anglo-Saxon involvement, but as the Foreign Ministers of Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany meet, Britain announces it’s sending military personnel into Ukraine and Poroshenko buys weapons from UAE, which is the same as saying from America. Where does he get the money? Chocolate sales? Had a good Valentine’s campaign?

Baltic states reinforce their armies (Lithuania just launched conscription), as NATO expands its presence there. The constantly repeated message is that Putin will attack them. It’s a made-up story. Poroshenko says he wants Crimea back, even as he knows full well that’s not going to happen.

What part of the fresh round of IMF/EU loans will go towards arms purchases? Can Brussels please supply a run-down ASAP? Don’t Europeans have a right to know where their money goes?

(...)

http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/0 ... to-athens/
What does the brilliant German finance minister has to say about this?... :D
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May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
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Interesting interview of an Ukrainian former tank battalion commander who joined the DNR army (separatists) - with English subtitles

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That man died in combat on February 16th.

R.I.P.
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Alexis wrote:Interesting interview of an Ukrainian former tank battalion commander who joined the DNR army (separatists) - with English subtitles

That man died in combat on February 16th.

R.I.P.
Quite interesting. Thanks for posting. The subtitles could be better though. For example, at 16:28, the guy says the country had been turned into a "polygon". US posters may not understand that polygon means "firing range".
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Alexis, thank you for a most enlightening video. It reinforced my long held preference for citizen armies over professional armies. If ever NATO countries are foolish enough to get into a fight on the ground against the Russian people's army, you will see what I mean. It will happen to NATO the very same thing which happened to Napoleon's and Nazi armies.
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All deserved death of the bastard.
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Despite Russian Warnings, US Will Deploy A Battalion To Ukraine By The End Of The Week
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/02/2015 23:00 -0500

"Before this week is up, we’ll be deploying a battalion... to the Ukraine to train Ukrainian forces for the fight that's taking place," stated US 173rd Airborne Brigade Commander Colonel Michael Foster said at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, DC on Monday. Despite earlier warnings from Russia (and claims that NATO had not agreed to any such foreign 'boots on the ground' action'), Sputnik News reports, Foster added, "what we’ve got laid out is six United States companies that will be training six Ukrainian companies throughout the summer."

This comes a week after PM David Cameron confirmed Britain will be sending 75 military personnel to help combat Russian military aggression.

Despite earlier reports from Russia's NATO envoy that, as TASS reports,

NATO has taken no decisions on sending British or any other instructors to Ukraine, Russia’s Ambassador to the North Atlantic Alliance Alexander Grushko said on Monday.

"NATO has taken no decisions on sending instructors," he told the Rossiya 24 television channel. "NATO is implementing the decisions that were taken at the political level at the Wales summit in September 2014."

Moscow will take all measures, including military-technical, to neutralize possible threat from NATO presence in Ukraine, he added.

It seems it is happening, as Sputnik News reports,

The United States will deploy personnel by the end of this week to train the Ukrainian national guard, US 173rd Airborne Brigade Commander Colonel Michael Foster said at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, DC on Monday.

“Before this week is up, we’ll be deploying a battalion minus… to the Ukraine to train Ukrainian forces for the fight that’s taking place,” Foster stated. “What we’ve got laid out is six United States companies that will be training six Ukrainian companies throughout the summer.”
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The current plan is for US forces to stay six months, he said, and noted there have been discussions about how to increase the duration and the scope of the training mission.

The current channels for military training set up between Ukraine and the United States would not be used for transferring defensive lethal aid if the United States decided to provide arms to Ukraine, Foster told Sputnik on Monday.

“It would go through something separate... We would not funnel the lethal aid or arms through that [training] event, we would use a secondary method for that,” Foster said, adding that a completely separate process is preferable.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-0 ... e-end-week
The US is trying very hard to provoke Russia into a full invasion of the Ukraine, in order to sabotage Merkel's attempt at cooling things down over there. Hopefully Putin will resist the temptation and wait for the opportunity Poroshenko will certainly give him to profit from an Ukrainian breach in the ceasefire and enable the Novorussians to quickly reach Kharkov and Mariupol. And if the "instructors" get too close to the firing line they would soon end up in Arlington...
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Democracy's victory in the Ukraine...
Ukraine unofficially has 272 percent inflation!

Ukraine unofficially has 272 percent inflation. And is not a Kremlin-sponsored propaganda outlet which says so, or some rabidly nationalistic Russian blogger, but the very AngloZionist Washington Post. In the same article, the WAPO also states that the Hrivna is in free fall:

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Hrivna in free fall

Whether this admission is made in the hopes of getting more funding to the Kiev regime or whether its intention is to signal that it is time for everybody to get the hell out of Dodge is anybody’s guess, but I personally am much more inclined to believe the latter version. The WAPO actually says that “it’s hard to overstate how challenged Ukraine is” and “Ukraine’s annual inflation is already 272 percent, and, even worse, is picking up speed. Indeed, its monthly inflation rate is 64.5 percent—which translates to 39,000 percent inflation over a year—more than enough to qualify it for “hyperinflation” status” (read the full article, it is very interesting - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... inflation/).

Does anybody still believe that this regime of Nazi freaks is viable?
No problem! I'm sure the US, Germany, the EU or NATO will pick up the tab... After all one must help democracies against dictatorships, isn't it?...
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Ukraine: A Moment of Truth Approaches
By J.Hawk - 3/10/2015

While it's difficult to separate truth from deception when it comes to ascertaining the real positions on the Ukraine crisis that have been adopted by the leaders of Ukraine, EU, and the US, we'll soon have an opportunity to observe their real preferences, and the relative balance of power in that complicated relationship.

Ukraine is about to experience two events (or two non-events, depending on how things shake out). One of them is an IMF credit of up to $17 billion (and change). The other is the resumption of fighting on the Donbass. Given these two binary events, we have the following four combinations, and associated implications:

1. Ukraine does not get an IMF credit (or it gets a minimalistic one, sufficient to stave off a default but not much else), and Ukraine does not go to war. That would be a sign that US and EU have written off the "Ukraine project" as both unprofitable and risky, and that Kiev has acquiesced in that decision. It would also mean that an improvement in the Russia-Ukraine relationship is just around the corner, including the final settlement of the status of the Crimea and the Donbass. In my view, it is not a likely scenario.

2. Ukraine gets an IMF credit and does not go to war. This variant would indicate that the doves, both in the EU, US, and Ukraine, have prevailed. The "Ukraine project" is still on the agenda, but the interested parties are taking pains not to escalate the situation for fear of losing everything. In my view, this is the most likely scenario.

3. Ukraine gets no IMF credit and goes to war. If we see this outcome, it would imply a rather major breach between the US and the EU or an attempt by the Anglo-Saxon EU/NATO members to establish their dominance over their respective institutions. EU leaders don't want to see Ukraine go to war. US leaders want to see EU pay for Ukraine. If the EU is unwilling to pay, the US/British/Kiev hawks might be tempted to use war to escalate the situation to such an extent that the more dovish French and German leaders have no choice but to jump on the bandwagon. If we see weapons and trainers go to Ukraine, it will mean a definite weakening of Merkel's and Hollande's position within both EU and NATO, as it does not seem likely the two will dare chart a policy independent of Washington and London. An alternative explanation of this scenario is that it's a variation on scenario number 1, except that Kiev does not want to acquiesce to it, and tries to escalate the situation in order to force the West to assist it.

4. Ukraine gets an IMF credit and goes to war. This could either mean that Kiev broke faith with the EU (rather unlikely, considering how important that support is). It could also mean that the hardliners in the West have prevailed and have decided to finance and arm Ukraine for the sole purpose of weakening Russia. This would make it the advanced version of scenario 3, in that the Anglo-Saxon powers are now calling the shots and the influence of France, Germany, and pretty much every other EU/NATO member has been nullified. I view this scenario as relatively unlikely.

http://fortruss.blogspot.pt/2015/03/ukr ... aches.html
He could be right. Let's wait and see...
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Endovelico wrote:Ukraine is about to experience two events (or two non-events, depending on how things shake out). One of them is an IMF credit of up to $17 billion (and change). The other is the resumption of fighting on the Donbass.
As I see it, resumption of fighting in Donbass is a low probability risk.

On the side of Kiev: one should not underestimate the magnitude of defeat suffered by pro-Kiev forces last August, then last January/February, nor the weakening of resolve on their part.

Given that Russia has proven that she will support pro-Donetsk forces no matter what, given that NATO countries military intervention in Donbass is out of question, there is nothing to be gained by Kiev by further attacks but more and worse trouble. I have trouble to imagine even the most pro-US Ukrainians failing to see that.

On the side of Donetsk: no resumption of fighting is possible without Moscow's authorization, since pro-Donetsk Ukrainians depend on Russian military supplies. But a resumption of fighting is definitly not in Russia's interest, since
- the minimum objective has already been reached - Ukraine cannot fully switch to pro-NATO side since Donbass Ukrainians wouldn't allow it and Minsk-2 agreement calls for Ukrainian constitutional reform giving Donbass a say in it
- and nothing really important would be gained by further fighting, while costs would be large - public humiliation of France and Germany's commitment to Minsk-2 peace agreement would lead to solidification of NATO under US command instead of present distanciation and specific policy by both Berlin and Paris


The relevant and crucial question about Ukraine crisis is whether the Ukrainian government will be stable. IMF credit is part of that question, but only a part, moreover its effects would not necessarily be globally positive, since IMF "favours" come with strings attached, forced economic reforms which often tend to aggravate the concerned country's difficulties - ask Athens to tell about that, and countless Third World countries before Greece.

Current deep economic crisis and recession could, or not, give way to default and depression. Government which has to face the aftermath of defeat, plus serious impoverishment of most Ukrainians, may or may not hold against its (former?) extremist nationalist allies, the likes of Pravyi Sector, Svoboda and Liachko.

Angry warnings of a new coup d'état if the government was not behaving the way extremists would like have been remarked. Some armed units which took part in the Donbass war are distinct from the Army, under no governmental effective control, often populated by many extremists, and financed by oligarchs. If they took to action, who would stop them? The Army might... but they have proven since beginning 2014 to be the most reluctant to take sides in civil strife.

Then you have actions by external countries. The most interesting fact about 600 US paratroopers beginning this month their training Ukrainians near Lviv is that they will not be training Ukrainian Army, but the "National Guard" that is the special units formed for the Donbass war and populated by many extremists. Which calls the question: what will these NG units use their new talents on? And also another question: what are the interests and objectives of the US government on Ukraine? Let everything calm down... or push for further trouble and generate a failed State close both to Russia and to the EU?

It's quite possible Poroshenko will at some point have to choose between physical elimination of extremist leaders and dismantlement of their units on the one hand - and fleeing the country à la Yanukovitch on the other hand. In such a case, would he have the resolve? More importantly, would he be obeyed?
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Alexis wrote:Then you have actions by external countries. The most interesting fact about 600 US paratroopers beginning this month their training Ukrainians near Lviv is that they will not be training Ukrainian Army, but the "National Guard" that is the special units formed for the Donbass war and populated by many extremists. Which calls the question: what will these NG units use their new talents on? And also another question: what are the interests and objectives of the US government on Ukraine? Let everything calm down... or push for further trouble and generate a failed State close both to Russia and to the EU?

It's quite possible Poroshenko will at some point have to choose between physical elimination of extremist leaders and dismantlement of their units on the one hand - and fleeing the country à la Yanukovitch on the other hand. In such a case, would he have the resolve? More importantly, would he be obeyed?
There's more than one foreign country. If US-trained goons caused trouble and Poroshenko moved against them, he would definitely have the EU's blessing. Probably intelligence and special troops support, too. And then there's that new European army...
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YMix wrote:And then there's that new European army...
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You're not even trying to give up juvenile double entendre. :|
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YMix wrote:You're not even trying to give up juvenile double entendre. :|
Trying to insult or compliment Alexis?

or

Trying to insult or compliment noddy?
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YMix wrote:You're not even trying to give up juvenile double entendre. :|
Thank you! :)

I'm at this age when I feel gratitude when somebody suggests I could be a young man ;)
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Simple Minded wrote:Trying to insult or compliment Alexis?

or

Trying to insult or compliment noddy?
It's a two-coin toss. I'm hoping for double head.
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Alexis wrote:Thank you! :)

I'm at this age when I feel gratitude when somebody suggests I could be a young man ;)
Much vanity, such young, wow. ;)
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How is it possible .. a Boeing 777, on many military and civilian radar coverage, in an active war zone, is shot down, Wreckage in the field and recovered .. and .. nobody says how it was shot down, what kind and model and make of missile, or shot down by fighter jet

Am sure lots of debris of the projectile whether missile or canon

My guess is , if it would have been the Russians, they would have published the result

Am sure it is Ukrainians military .. that is why the report is not published


Based on the analysis of the plane debris and the nature of the damage, there is a high probability the plane was stuck by an air-to-air missile and an aircraft gun

“If the plane was downed by Buk [missile defense system], it would have almost immediately fallen to pieces in the air and we could not have witnessed such large debris on the ground,”

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YMix wrote: I'm hoping for double head.

blink.
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noddy wrote:
YMix wrote: I'm hoping for double head.

blink.
Whatever did become of those twins after they quit selling chewing gum?
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YMix wrote: You're not even trying to give up juvenile double entendre. :|
YMix wrote: I'm hoping for double head.
Oddly enough, neither is YMix.

then again, who isn't?
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
noddy wrote:
YMix wrote: I'm hoping for double head.

blink.
Whatever did become of those twins after they quit selling chewing gum?
Nice! I'm old enough to get that one.... :)
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http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/ ... 15703.html

buy when the blood is running in the streets.

Could investing in Ukraine now be like investing in the US in the 1940s?
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Price tags in rubles, in Eastern Ukraine. Purchases may also be made in dollars and euros. It seems Novorussia has found a way to escape Ukrainian hyperinflation...

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