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Doc wrote:Money is the reason. [...] f*ckerberg nor Tim Cook nor thier ILK give a damn about privacy as long as they get rich from holding all that personal data for profit.

Doc wrote:He and Suckerberg are the kind of folks that need to be taxed @ 110% of gross income.

YMix wrote:

Doc wrote:Money is the reason. [...] f*ckerberg nor Tim Cook nor thier ILK give a damn about privacy as long as they get rich from holding all that personal data for profit.

Doc wrote:He and Suckerberg are the kind of folks that need to be taxed @ 110% of gross income.

Is it me or is Doc going full socialist on us?

YMix wrote:

Doc wrote:Money is the reason. [...] f*ckerberg nor Tim Cook nor thier ILK give a damn about privacy as long as they get rich from holding all that personal data for profit.

Doc wrote:He and Suckerberg are the kind of folks that need to be taxed @ 110% of gross income.

Is it me or is Doc going full socialist on us?

YMix wrote:

Doc wrote:Money is the reason. [...] f*ckerberg nor Tim Cook nor thier ILK give a damn about privacy as long as they get rich from holding all that personal data for profit.

Doc wrote:He and Suckerberg are the kind of folks that need to be taxed @ 110% of gross income.

Is it me or is Doc going full socialist on us?

Zack Morris wrote:

YMix wrote:

Doc wrote:Money is the reason. [...] f*ckerberg nor Tim Cook nor thier ILK give a damn about privacy as long as they get rich from holding all that personal data for profit.

Doc wrote:He and Suckerberg are the kind of folks that need to be taxed @ 110% of gross income.

Is it me or is Doc going full socialist on us?

It's not just you

Now, switching back to serious mode: this comports with what I said a couple weeks back about America turning European. The views of conservative intellectual elites are simply not shared by the vast majority of self-identifying conservative Americans, who only pay lip service to open markets and small government for as long as they believe they are personally benefiting. It's easy to exhort others to contribute their fair share, to suck it up, to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, when one feels society is working for them. But when the shoe is suddenly on the other foot, it's time for the government to do something to help

The corollary to Thatcher's famous one-liner is that the problem with small government conservatism is that eventually, people run out of patience waiting for the market to spontaneously solve their problems.

Doc wrote:
So we can sign you up for a 110% tax on your gross income?

Zack Morris wrote:
Now, switching back to serious mode: this comports with what I said a couple weeks back about America turning European. The views of conservative intellectual elites are simply not shared by the vast majority of self-identifying conservative Americans, who only pay lip service to open markets and small government for as long as they believe they are personally benefiting. It's easy to exhort others to contribute their fair share, to suck it up, to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, when one feels society is working for them. But when the shoe is suddenly on the other foot, it's time for the government to do something to help

Simple Minded wrote:

Doc wrote:
So we can sign you up for a 110% tax on your gross income?

c'mon Doc, you are just being silly.

In Merika, the popularity of the idea that "The rich should pay their fair share!" no matter how great, will always be superseded by the popularity of "Yeah, but I'm not one of the rich!" Even if the speaker is worth tens of millions! Think Ted Kennedy or Warren Buffet.

In mathematical terms, all N%ers think rich starts at N-1%. "They" also think that the N+1%ers who want to tax the N%ers at high rates are all freeloading scumbags.

You can bad mouth it all day long, but hypocrisy, selfishness, and self-delusion create a well-balanced society.

Epiphany" get rid of "self" and hypocrisy, selfishness, and self-delusion all disappear. But "who" will voluntarily drink the hemlock first?
No one I know.

Doc wrote:

Simple Minded wrote:

Doc wrote:
So we can sign you up for a 110% tax on your gross income?

c'mon Doc, you are just being silly.

In Merika, the popularity of the idea that "The rich should pay their fair share!" no matter how great, will always be superseded by the popularity of "Yeah, but I'm not one of the rich!" Even if the speaker is worth tens of millions! Think Ted Kennedy or Warren Buffet.

In mathematical terms, all N%ers think rich starts at N-1%. "They" also think that the N+1%ers who want to tax the N%ers at high rates are all freeloading scumbags.

You can bad mouth it all day long, but hypocrisy, selfishness, and self-delusion create a well-balanced society.

Epiphany" get rid of "self" and hypocrisy, selfishness, and self-delusion all disappear. But "who" will voluntarily drink the hemlock first?
No one I know.

Jim Jones didn't seem to have any problem getting people to drink the Kool Aid. Why not elect him president? Even though dead, he would seem to be the people's choice. At least on the left.

While it defies U.S. government, Apple abides by China's orders — and reaps big rewards

Apple's Tech Allies Oppose the FBI, but Still Want Your Data

noddy wrote:
....this is not news its clickbait for people who dont pay attention to the details.

noddy wrote:.

the powers the chinese government have are the same as the powers the american government have - they can both look at all the data on cloud servers and they can both look at all the data harvested by the telcos.

the specific thing the FBI doesnt have is the custom os that lets them break the local phone security easily, which is also the power the chinese government doesnt have.

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noddy wrote:the powers the chinese government have are the same as the powers the american government have - they can both look at all the data on cloud servers and they can both look at all the data harvested by the telcos.

the specific thing the FBI doesnt have is the custom os that lets them break the local phone security easily, which is also the power the chinese government doesnt have.

this is not news its clickbait for people who dont pay attention to the details.

Doc wrote:

noddy wrote:the powers the chinese government have are the same as the powers the american government have - they can both look at all the data on cloud servers and they can both look at all the data harvested by the telcos.

the specific thing the FBI doesnt have is the custom os that lets them break the local phone security easily, which is also the power the chinese government doesnt have.

this is not news its clickbait for people who dont pay attention to the details.

Hmm LA times and NY times producing click bait That sure is an interesting spin Noddy.

Doc wrote: Apple didn't sell anything in China without the Chinese government getting their way. I don't seeing anyone in China complaining about it either. Gee I wonder why?

German police are now permitted to infect a suspect's computers, and mobile devices with special trojan software to monitor communications made with the systems, the country's interior ministry has confirmed.

The malware can only be deployed when lives are at risk, or the state is threatened, and will require a court order to allow police officers to infect the machines of alleged criminals.

However, the government-developed malware must not be used to monitor other activities on the system, or to change data or programs. It follows a decision by Germany's Constitutional Court in 2008, which ruled that the an individual's private life should have absolute protection, and that eavesdropping must be limited to a person's communications with the outside world.

But Frank Rieger, a spokesperson from the famous Chaos Computer Club (CCC), has cast doubt on the German government's pledge to adhere to those standards with its trojan software. In an an article on the Deutschlandfunk website (in German), Rieger noted that it was very hard to create malware that can be used to monitor communications in a way that does not infringe on the protected private sphere.

The CCC has been tracking Germany's authorised malware for some years now.

JOHN MCAFEE: The NSA's back door has given every US secret to our enemies

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

JOHN MCAFEE: The NSA's back door has given every US secret to our enemies

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mca ... 016-2?IR=T

Legal issues

On April 30, 2012, McAfee's property in Orange Walk Town, Belize, was raided by the Gang Suppression Unit of the Belizean Police Department. McAfee was in bed with his girlfriend at that time, who McAfee said was scarred by the incident. A GSU press release stated that McAfee was arrested for unlicensed drug manufacturing and possession of an unlicensed weapon.[15][31][32][33] He was released without charge.[34] In 2012, Belize police spokesman Raphael Martinez confirmed that McAfee was neither convicted nor charged, but only suspected.[35]

On November 12, 2012, Belize police started a search for McAfee as a "person of interest" in connection to the murder of American expatriate Gregory Viant Faull. Faull was found dead of a gunshot wound on November 11, 2012, at his home on the island of Ambergris Caye, the largest island in Belize.[36][37] Faull was a neighbor of McAfee.[38] In a November 2012 interview with Wired,[39] McAfee said that he has always been afraid police would kill him and thus refused their routine questions; he has since been evading the Belizean authorities.[38] Belize's prime minister Dean Barrow called McAfee "extremely paranoid, even bonkers".[40] McAfee fled Belize when he was sought for questioning concerning the murder.[41][42][43]

Vice accidentally gave away McAfee's location at a Guatemalan resort in early December 2012, when a photo taken by one of its journalists accompanying McAfee was posted with the Exif geolocation metadata still attached.[44] While in Guatemala, McAfee asked Chad Essley, an American cartoonist and animator, to set up a blog so that he could write about his experience while on the run.[45] McAfee then appeared publicly in Guatemala City, where he attempted to seek political asylum. On December 5, 2012, McAfee was arrested for illegally entering Guatemala. Shortly after being placed under arrest, a board to review McAfee's plea for asylum was formed. The committee denied his asylum, so he was taken from his holding facility to a detention center in order to await deportation to Belize.[46]

On December 6, 2012, Reuters and ABC News reported that McAfee had two minor heart attacks in a Guatemalan detention center and was hospitalized.[47][48] McAfee's lawyer stated that his client had not suffered heart attacks, but had instead suffered from high blood pressure and anxiety attacks.[49][50][51] McAfee later stated that he faked the heart attack while being held in Guatemala to buy time for his attorney to file a series of appeals that ultimately prevented his deportation to Belize, hastening the government's decision to send him back to the United States.[52] On December 12, 2012, McAfee was released from detention in Guatemala and deported to the United States.[53]

As of January 8, 2014, Belizean police have presented no new accusations, and they have not persisted in seeking McAfee's imprisonment for any of the crimes they accused him of. However, they have auctioned off McAfee's seized assets, and his home was burned down under suspicious circumstances.[54]

On August 2, 2015, he was arrested in Henderson County, Tennessee, on charges of one count of driving under the influence and one count of possession of a firearm while intoxicated.[55]

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

JOHN MCAFEE: The NSA's back door has given every US secret to our enemies

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mca ... 016-2?IR=T

Doc wrote:

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

JOHN MCAFEE: The NSA's back door has given every US secret to our enemies

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mca ... 016-2?IR=T

The guy who neighbor in Belize was found dead from a blast from a shotgun after he had an argument with him? That MCAfee?

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

Doc wrote:

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

JOHN MCAFEE: The NSA's back door has given every US secret to our enemies

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mca ... 016-2?IR=T

The guy who neighbor in Belize was found dead from a blast from a shotgun after he had an argument with him? That MCAfee?

Ad hominem fallacy.

Doc wrote:

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

Doc wrote:

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

JOHN MCAFEE: The NSA's back door has given every US secret to our enemies

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mca ... 016-2?IR=T

The guy who neighbor in Belize was found dead from a blast from a shotgun after he had an argument with him? That MCAfee?

Ad hominem fallacy.

OH That McAFEE is clinically nuts is ad hominem?

http://blogs.voanews.com/digital-fronti ... -meltdown/

The health food chain Tossed has just opened the UK’s first cashless cafe. It’s another step towards the death of cash.

This is nothing new. Money is tech. The casting of coins made shells, whales’ teeth and other such primitive forms of money redundant. The printing press did the same for precious metals: we started using paper notes instead. Electronic banking put paid to the cheque. Contactless payment is now doing the same to cash, which is becoming less and less convenient. In the marketplace convenience usually wins.

That’s fine as long as people are making this choice freely. What concerns me is the unofficial war on cash that is going on, from the suspicion with which you are treated if you ever use large sums of cash to the campaign in Europe to decommission the €500 note. I’m not sure the consequences have been properly considered.

noddy wrote:

Doc wrote:

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

Doc wrote:

Nonc Hilaire wrote:

JOHN MCAFEE: The NSA's back door has given every US secret to our enemies

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mca ... 016-2?IR=T

The guy who neighbor in Belize was found dead from a blast from a shotgun after he had an argument with him? That MCAfee?

Ad hominem fallacy.

OH That McAFEE is clinically nuts is ad hominem?

http://blogs.voanews.com/digital-fronti ... -meltdown/

who gives a flying flick ? are you as mad as mc'afee ?

what is your opinion on the fact that government mandated backdoors into our electronic communications means that dodgy democrats and communist chinese can read your private business dealings and personal conversations.

do you agree with this or do you think its a worthy loss of privacy against the threat of terrorism.