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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:
The Sanders campaign are hoping they will stay undercovered

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Simple Minded wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:
The Sanders campaign are hoping they will stay undercovered

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Will somebody please take away Doc's crayons before he shoves them up his nose?
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What did SANDERS say that he was not allowed to speak in AIPAC ? ?


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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

What did SANDERS say that he was not allowed to speak in AIPAC ? ?


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I believe he chose to deliver his AIPAC speech from the campaign trail. This week is big in ex-pat, military and territorial voting. Those delegates seem more important to Sanders than they do to the other candidates.
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Doc wrote:
Simple Minded wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Doc wrote:
The Sanders campaign are hoping they will stay undercovered

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Will somebody please take away Doc's crayons before he shoves them up his nose?
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Bernie's people are a herd Grazing grass 4 free.
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oi, leave some for me.

damn tit percenters.
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noddy wrote:oi, leave some for me.

damn tit percenters.
no worries mate, I herd he's got two!

we just need to work out a feeding schedule and who's gonna burp us....

we could burp each other, but that's un-American and goes against everything we stand for..... :(
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In another sign that God has returned to earth Bernie Mentions Romania in Tweet :D

http://fee.org/articles/bernie-sanders- ... ee-market/
Bernie Sanders Accidentally Endorses the Free Market
What We Can Learn from Romania’s Internet


What do you think of when someone mentions Romania? Many of us probably imagine old castles and quaint Gypsy villages. Or perhaps we think of the days of Nicolae Ceausescu’s dictatorship under Soviet support. We might be surprised to learn that today it’s one of the most economically advanced and freest countries in Eastern Europe. It’s noteworthy for having some of the fastest Internet service in the world, a fact that socialist presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has called attention to on Twitter:

“Today, people living in Bucharest, Romania have access to much faster Internet than most of the US. That’s unacceptable and must change.”

Bernie Tweet

Bucharest is among the world’s top cities for Internet speed, though it’s only the third fastest in Romania and is outranked by Kansas City. Why that upsets Sanders so much isn’t clear. Perhaps he shares the Dracula’s Castle stereotype of the country and thinks it outrageous that Americans can’t do better. Perhaps he’s jealous and thinks Romania ought to slow down. Or perhaps he thinks Bucharest achieved its high speeds through central planning and the US should emulate it.

If he’s looking to Romania for a model to follow, that’s a good idea, but the model isn’t central planning. It’s quite the opposite.
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The tweet in question was reported by the local media at the beginning of the month. The FEE article does not surprises me.
Fierce competition led to aggressive innovation and a race to slash prices and improve quality.
It did? Frankly, I'd like to see her data on this. I've no idea how many blocks of flats had two or more ISPs competing for clients, but there couldn't have been that many. I'm guessing that competition was sort of fierce in the campuses and especially in the Automation campus, but other than that...
“There are now discussions about forcing these operators to put their networks underground, which would have the benefit of removing the fibres from view in many urban areas,” reads a case stu​dy from the ITU [International Telecommunications Union].
Not only from view, but also from the state's telephone/electricity poles, which the amazing wildcat providers have been using without paying a dime in rent (hint, subsidy, hint) and which also led to this:

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The Rest of the Story......Free Market Internet in Romania..

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YMix wrote:The tweet in question was reported by the local media at the beginning of the month. The FEE article does not surprises me.
Fierce competition led to aggressive innovation and a race to slash prices and improve quality.
It did? Frankly, I'd like to see her data on this. I've no idea how many blocks of flats had two or more ISPs competing for clients, but there couldn't have been that many. I'm guessing that competition was sort of fierce in the campuses and especially in the Automation campus, but other than that...
“There are now discussions about forcing these operators to put their networks underground, which would have the benefit of removing the fibres from view in many urban areas,” reads a case stu​dy from the ITU [International Telecommunications Union].
Not only from view, but also from the state's telephone/electricity poles, which the amazing wildcat providers have been using without paying a dime in rent (hint, subsidy, hint) and which also led to this:

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Thank You VERY Much for your post, YMix

Thanks for the rest of the story..........

Imagining what it must be like for utility workers when there is a problem............

Or even worse if there is a fire..........
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Zack Morris wrote:Simple Minded, noddy: my tits are after-market Thai bolt-ons. Lactose free.
I'm drooling like one of Pavlov's mutts..... and I got a woodie! :P
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YMix wrote:The tweet in question was reported by the local media at the beginning of the month. The FEE article does not surprises me.
Fierce competition led to aggressive innovation and a race to slash prices and improve quality.
It did? Frankly, I'd like to see her data on this. I've no idea how many blocks of flats had two or more ISPs competing for clients, but there couldn't have been that many. I'm guessing that competition was sort of fierce in the campuses and especially in the Automation campus, but other than that...
“There are now discussions about forcing these operators to put their networks underground, which would have the benefit of removing the fibres from view in many urban areas,” reads a case stu​dy from the ITU [International Telecommunications Union].
Not only from view, but also from the state's telephone/electricity poles, which the amazing wildcat providers have been using without paying a dime in rent (hint, subsidy, hint) and which also led to this:

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Maybe the Bird told Bernie about all the wonderful accommodations with internet for Birds roosting in Romania. :D
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Bloomberg article re "American Middle Class" slipping into "lower class", poverty, is revealing.

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Sanders saying free education, universal Healthcare, raising taxes on the 1% .. will not change much for Middle Class.

Point is , Middle class now competing worldwide, and losing.

Question is, how to stop Middle Class losing in world competition ? .. that is the million dollar question nobody talking about.

Trump saying tariff on imports, protectionism .. will worsen things in long run

Hillary saying "don't shake things" will make things continue on same trajectory for 8 more yrs.

What is the solution to chance the downhill for American Middle Class ?
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depends on how much you believe the west got rich cause it controlled the world market - some things cant be fixed without world war and colonialism hah.

the other things, science education, innovation and patents and blah blah are unlikely to spread the wealth very much, we dont do mass employment in factories any more and we certainly dont do middle class wages for that work.

if the whole show wasnt riding high on FIRE economy expectations then it would be simple enough, live poorer but with modern toys, which isnt so bad.

however the expectations and the structure of our economies doesnt let us scale down without suffering , so.......
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noddy wrote:.

depends on how much you believe the west got rich cause it controlled the world market - some things cant be fixed without world war and colonialism hah.

the other things, science education, innovation and patents and blah blah are unlikely to spread the wealth very much, we don't do mass employment in factories any more and we certainly dont do middle class wages for that work.

if the whole show wasn't riding high on FIRE economy expectations then it would be simple enough, live poorer but with modern toys, which isn't so bad.

however the expectations and the structure of our economies doesnt let us scale down without suffering , so.......

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Always think Germany

Germany, Nation, industry, wiped out 1945, so many (working age man and woman) dead

And ?

Now, German middle Class, workers, well off and some .. Germany, after absorbing 17 million East German and exchanging those "East German Mark" 1 to 1 to "West German Marks" .. has now shortage of workers, absorbing 2 million Syrians refugee (poor like a mouse) .. add to this nearly 5 million
Turk-Germans (having at least one parent Turk) .. Germany still short of workers.

Why Germans can do and America can't ? ?

Why German middle Class prospering and American middle class on downhill slope last 50 yrs under Dem& Rep administration ? ?

America must step back and look what is wrong .. boasting "we the greatest" a treason to reality.

There are things America can do to change .. not one things but a "series of things" .. those changes are fundamental.

Special interest will not let it happen


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germany is riding high on selling industrial stuff to china and that game is nearly finished, they are also carrying a large public debt and they have benefited massively from having the southern euro states make their dollar cheaper.

their is nothing to copy, unless you propose economically joining the usa with mexico and getting that same devaluation going hahahahah.

dont mistake short term booms for ongoing structural garuntees - this is the same boat that canada and australia are in, germany will return back to the pack soon enough.
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noddy wrote:.

germany is riding high on selling industrial stuff to china and that game is nearly finished, they are also carrying a large public debt and they have benefited massively from having the southern euro states make their dollar cheaper.

their is nothing to copy, unless you propose economically joining the usa with mexico and getting that same devaluation going hahahahah.

dont mistake short term booms for ongoing structural garuntees - this is the same boat that canada and australia are in, germany will return back to the pack soon enough.

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Western countries, their workers, must produce what Chinese and new economies, India, Iran, China, Indonesia, Latin America, etc can not produce

Germany exports capital goods, their's is the best in the world and will stay best in the world for long long time .. for specific reason .. German Industry is "Family Owned" FOR GENERATION, not in the hand of "wall Street" crooks, there is no "Hedge fund" in Germany.

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The average age of industrial equipment in the U.S. has risen above 10 years, the highest since 1938

German "average age of industrial equipment" is less than 3 yrs.

Western workers, can only compete with new comers, if they can do what others can not .. Why Chinese buying German capital goods and not American ? ? take away Boeing export to China and nothing shows up .. and .. Chinese now making their own airlines, soon Boeing will have difficulty selling to China .. than what ? ? probably war with China

Yes, War with China .. but .. who will be the winner ? ?

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Why Chinese buying German capital goods and not American ? ?
noddy wrote: they have benefited massively from having the southern euro states make their dollar cheaper.

their is nothing to copy, unless you propose economically joining the usa with mexico and getting that same devaluation going hahahahah.
besides, not everyone can dominate the market in industrial machinery, only a couple of countries can win that game and china has all the cards to eat germany alive into the future if they wish.

this is not a solution to the problem, this is old thinking for last century, not relevant.

the question is what comes *after* industrial production and all its factories that used to employ the middle class.

we dont need mass employment like we used to, so either

a) truckloads of people die
b) we come up with other ways of economically integrating them (socialist tactic, via tax money)
c) we leave em to their own devices and rebuild the largely self sufficient regional communitites that only need to dabble in global capitalism (libertarian/south east asian tactic)
d) .....
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Industrial machinery, similar to "weapon" .. German capital goods are not "price sensitive", they could be 50% more expensive and would make no difference in export, low Euro just cheap excuse.

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New economies, China, India, Russia, Africa, South America, Indonesia, Philippine, Iran , Arab countries .. they all need to develop, needing capital goods, industries, machinery.

Iran now buying all Petrochemical plants, Oil industry, automotive industry, ship building, power generation, retooling of all industry .. billions and billions of Dollars .. all from Germany

That is why Prince Charles asked for a Ayatollah Khamnei AUDIENCE :lol:


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Doc wrote:Maybe the Bird told Bernie about all the wonderful accommodations with internet for Birds roosting in Romania. :D
That's a good one. :)
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ndustrial machinery, similar to "weapon" .. German capital goods are not "price sensitive", they could be 50% more expensive and would make no difference in export, low Euro just cheap excuse.

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New economies, China, India, Russia, Africa, South America, Indonesia, Philippine, Iran , Arab countries .. they all need to develop, needing capital goods, industries, machinery.

Iran now buying all Petrochemical plants, Oil industry, automotive industry, ship building, power generation, retooling of all industry .. billions and billions of Dollars .. all from Germany

That is why Prince Charles asked for a Ayatollah Khamnei AUDIENCE :lol:
i didnt say their was no money in it, i said it wasnt a solution that every modern economy can use.

for a short term germany can sell startup infrastructure to *some* of those countries. thats nice.


china has already pushed out the other side of this, they no longer need more foreign infrastructure and they cant employ anymore people in the factories, infact, those factories are sacking people and replacing them with robots already.

this is not the way forward for billions of people, its a nice little job for milions, at most.
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noddy wrote:we dont need mass employment like we used to, so either

a) truckloads of people die
b) we come up with other ways of economically integrating them (socialist tactic, via tax money)
c) we leave em to their own devices and rebuild the largely self sufficient regional communitites that only need to dabble in global capitalism (libertarian/south east asian tactic)
d) .....
If there aren't enough jobs, there won't be enough tax revenue to establish a classic socialist system. Maybe a slave state with robots living up to their names (robŭ [sl.] = serf, slave / robota [cz.] = forced labor). Sadly, I think a) is the likeliest outcome.
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