Bernie Sanders

[Heracleum Persicum]

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socialism is a specific political viewpoint that does need a name, it is a belief is that communism is good but failed because it was too much, too fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

your favourite canadian family, the trudeau's, are an example of it in action and show how its different to communism.

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Don't mistake "human right" with "socialism".

Universal healthcare or education or unemployment insurance and other stuff of that nature is part of "enhanced", modern time, human rights.

Capitalism & Communism is "fundamental" school of "social contract" .. heart of the matter is "Property Rights" .. "private property" versus "common property" and rights of.

Hi taxes does not make a Capitalist system anything else, as long as "private property" is foundation of the system.

In that sense, I do not understand what "socialism" means ?

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[noddy]

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socialism is a specific political viewpoint that does need a name, it is a belief is that communism is good but failed because it was too much, too fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

your favourite canadian family, the trudeau's, are an example of it in action and show how its different to communism.

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Don't mistake "human right" with "socialism".

Universal healthcare or education or unemployment insurance and other stuff of that nature is part of "enhanced", modern time, human rights.

Capitalism & Communism is "fundamental" school of "social contract" .. heart of the matter is "Property Rights" .. "private property" versus "common property" and rights of.

Hi taxes does not make a Capitalist system anything else, as long as "private property" is foundation of the system.

In that sense, I do not understand what "socialism" means ?

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you have your own special Azari point of view on the perfect place for socialism to stop turning capitalism into communism, that is fine, we all have our own view on this matter.

the fabians, of which trudeau is a member, think its a constant movement in that direction step by step, it never stops.

they consider property rights as a short term evil that will eventually go away.

universal healthcare - government taking responsibility for every aspect of your life from fitness to diet and the amount of money you spend on insurance, highly communist - a capitalist will let you eat yourself to death in lazyness and would not force you to purchase things you dont want.

education - in a capitalist world each family chooses which type of school gets their money to educate their child in their morality, highly communist and the corner stone of the culture war everyone loves so much

[Heracleum Persicum]

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socialism is a specific political viewpoint that does need a name, it is a belief is that communism is good but failed because it was too much, too fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

your favourite canadian family, the trudeau's, are an example of it in action and show how its different to communism.

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Don't mistake "human right" with "socialism".

Universal healthcare or education or unemployment insurance and other stuff of that nature is part of "enhanced", modern time, human rights.

Capitalism & Communism is "fundamental" school of "social contract" .. heart of the matter is "Property Rights" .. "private property" versus "common property" and rights of.

Hi taxes does not make a Capitalist system anything else, as long as "private property" is foundation of the system.

In that sense, I do not understand what "socialism" means ?

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you have your own special Azari point of view on the perfect place for socialism to stop turning capitalism into communism, that is fine, we all have our own view on this matter.

the fabians, of which trudeau is a member, think its a constant movement in that direction step by step, it never stops.

they consider property rights as a short term evil that will eventually go away.

universal healthcare - government taking responsibility for every aspect of your life from fitness to diet and the amount of money you spend on insurance, highly communist - a capitalist will let you eat yourself to death in lazyness and would not force you to purchase things you dont want.

education - in a capitalist world each family chooses which type of school gets their money to educate their child in their morality, highly communist and the corner stone of the culture war everyone loves so much

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Canada, Trudeau, still light yrs away from "socialism" you refer to, why you not look at Sweden or Nederland etc.

Healthcare and education and many other goodies that Trudeau can not dream off a reality in Sweden and Nederland since nearly 100 yrs .. and ? .. Is "property rights" in Sweden or Nederland less than in America ?

NO

As said, level of taxes (and what tax money spend for) does not change the nature of Capitalism.

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How those high taxes are spent relates to "community standard", what the people want.

Have you heard anybody in Sweden or Nederland or Germany or Europe giving money to University or Cancer research, what is called "philanthropy" is America ?

NO

Why ?

Because, the state taxes high and spends that money for Hospitals and university .. no need to depend on private donations like in America.

In America, the society agreed on "Fee for Service" .. meaning you pay for service rendered, education, health, etc, you have no money ? bad luck.

In Europe, society pays for those service, from "hi" Tax revenues.

All boils to "definition" of human rights

Is "universal free healthcare" like in France and Sweden and Nederland, a "Human Right" ? ?

If yes, than society must pay for that, from Taxes

If no, than "fee for service".

"Human rights" is not primarily "homosexual carnival", but right of "free education" or "free healthcare".

That is heart of the matter.

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your definition of human rights is other peoples definitions of socialism, thats all i was trying to explain, trudea wants to take canada in those directions, that is what i said.

all those highly socialist countries were also highly racist monocultures with easy cultural assumptions about those definitions and have only recently started dabbling in multiculture.

time will tell how much they find out america's arguments are actually real cultural differences from real multicultural conditions

in the south pacific, or india, a corner stone of multculturism has always been letting oddball communities do things their own crazy way, this cannot happen in your 'human rights' framework which enforces a single cultures view on education and health on everyone else.

once you control someones education and health , you control everything, this is why the conservative religious people and the libertarian people are not as keen on it as the socialist people.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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your definition of human rights is other peoples definitions of socialism, thats all i was trying to explain, trudea wants to take Canada in those directions, that is what i said.

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once you control someones education and health , you control everything, this is why the conservative religious people and the libertarian people are not as keen on it as the socialist people.

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All depends on the "social contract" the society adapts


As society advances, "free eduction" (like everywhere in the world except in USA), "free healthcare" , "minimum Income" replacing "Unemployment Insurance" and many other "free" things will become part of "right" of citizens .. already happening.

American, rather sooner than later, will adapt all .. reason is, it is , everything considered, more economical than otherwise.

Canada British Colombia, has only one "governmental" car insurance .. any car has to insure with ICBC, and, we pay a fraction of car insurance Americans pay, health care in Canada if not better for sure not worst than US, but cost a fraction.

That is what the people want, they voted for this

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[noddy]

No such thing as "socialist"

You either Capitalist or communist

"Socialist" in reality "opportunist"

[Mr. Perfect]

Don't mistake "human right" with "socialism".

Universal healthcare or education or unemployment insurance and other stuff of that nature is part of "enhanced", modern time, human rights.

No, absolutely not. Government HC, education and insurance so fraught with failure and costs, government never able to deliver on promise, so mistake, deep mistake to consider as rights.

[Heracleum Persicum]

No such thing as "socialist"

You either Capitalist or communist

"Socialist" in reality "opportunist"

This not from Azari

This from Nikita Khrushchev - 1963 visiting Berlin, said to Willy Brandt, leader of the Social Democratic Party of Germany.


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[Simple Minded]

a socialist joke is only funny if everyone gets it.

that should be your next sig.

wow! That is awesome. Even I..... get it.

The only correct definition of socialism is the one everyone agrees upon..... uh oh, "we" are f**ked!

[Simple Minded]

your definition of human rights is other peoples definitions of socialism, thats all i was trying to explain, trudea wants to take canada in those directions, that is what i said.

all those highly socialist countries were also highly racist monocultures with easy cultural assumptions about those definitions and have only recently started dabbling in multiculture.

time will tell how much they find out america's arguments are actually real cultural differences from real multicultural conditions

in the south pacific, or india, a corner stone of multculturism has always been letting oddball communities do things their own crazy way, this cannot happen in your 'human rights' framework which enforces a single cultures view on education and health on everyone else.

once you control someones education and health , you control everything, this is why the conservative religious people and the libertarian people are not as keen on it as the socialist people.

very well said. HP always seems to forget that if one does not agree with "society" in his ideal culture, one gets a gun stuck in their face by a very compassionate soul and is then forced to conform.

the scab shows up at a jobsite looking for work, gets his leg broken by some union boys, then joins the union and pays his dues so he can be called "brother" and gets worker's compensation for a job related injury. System works and everyone is happy.

the old ya gotta break some eggs to make an omelet theory. "we" all love breaking someone else's egg. its only the selfish bastards that are a problem.

[Doc]

Has Anyone seen the new series on Socialist Movie Classics?

[Heracleum Persicum]

Don't mistake "human right" with "socialism".

Universal healthcare or education or unemployment insurance and other stuff of that nature is part of "enhanced", modern time, human rights.

No, absolutely not. Government HC, education and insurance so fraught with failure and costs, government never able to deliver on promise, so mistake, deep mistake to consider as rights.

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If true, MP, then why cost of health care per population in US the highest among industrial countries.

Americans pay the highest health care cost in all industrial world, including Sweden, Switzerland, France, Canada.

Is American HC superior to French or Canadian ? American Cancer patients come to Canada and not other way round.

In America, health care (and education) is "Business", not so in the other countries.

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[Typhoon]

Don't mistake "human right" with "socialism".

Universal healthcare or education or unemployment insurance and other stuff of that nature is part of "enhanced", modern time, human rights.

No, absolutely not. Government HC, education and insurance so fraught with failure and costs, government never able to deliver on promise, so mistake, deep mistake to consider as rights.

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If true, MP, then why cost of health care per population in US the highest among industrial countries.

Americans pay the highest health care cost in all industrial world, including Sweden, Switzerland, France, Canada.

Is American HC superior to French or Canadian ? American Cancer patients come to Canada and not other way round.

In America, health care (and education) is "Business", not so in the other countries.

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Quite right.

Apparently Canadian and Mexican online pharmacies make a fortune selling the same drugs to desperate US clients at much lower cost.

[Mr. Perfect]

The "customer" is Medicare, which is government medicine, demonstrating again the wrongness of your position.

Back to the drawing board for your guys.

[Mr. Perfect]

If true, MP, then why cost of health care per population in US the highest among industrial countries.

We've already answered this question thousands of times. That's why private insurance is so popular in the US.

Americans pay the highest health care cost in all industrial world, including Sweden, Switzerland, France, Canada.

That's true. Government regulation has been an exorbitant burden here in the US.

Is American HC superior to French or Canadian ?

Yes.

American Cancer patients come to Canada and not other way round.

No.

In America, health care (and education) is "Business", not so in the other countries.

Do they pay doctors in your country.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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In America, health care (and education) is "Business", not so in the other countries.

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Do they pay doctors in your country.

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Do Canadian doctors move to US ?

No

Are Canadian doctors happy in Canada ?

Yes


Have a few Medical doctor friends, specialist etc.

They all very happy in Canada

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[Mr. Perfect]

US Healthcare best in the world. Best doctors, best hospitals, best schools. Second 2 none. All this debated for 1 year, conservatives won debate. obama went from supermajority to superminority based on obamacare. Enormous mistake of history. Up there with Vietnam, Iraq.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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US Healthcare best in the world. Best doctors, best hospitals, best schools. Second 2 none.

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Not only this not the case.

But

Even if so, it would be irrelevant as those "Best doctors, best hospitals" are forbiddingly expensive.

If one has an heart attack in US and spends 2 weeks in hospital, cost could be "half a million Dollars", easily.

Canadians, when travelling to US, buy always "Air Ambulance" insurance .. in case something happens, we brought home to Canada, instead going broke.

My wife's sister visiting France fell and broke her hip, she had surgery, stayed in hospital for a month, later care at home (in France) .. cost less than $ 15K


Sowjets used to say they can built much better cars than Mercedes Benz, only catch was it would cost $ 10 million a car .. catch is to built a bit less best Mercedes Benz that cost $ 50K (what Germans do)

That's why Sowjets went broke and that is why you going broke (others paying for your lifestyle).

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[YMix]

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[Heracleum Persicum]

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Each "American Media" in bed with some faction .. manufacturing news and spin (and distortion) to fit their side.

Only real "Free Media" is in Iran .. that is why every week a paper is closed down and reporter goes to jail .. a sign that Media can report anything they want (crossing red lines) and take the consequence (close down and jail)

All "lovi Dovi" means no red line crossing, inline with the "big boys" .. betraying Joe


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[Doc]

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The Sanders campaign are hoping they will stay undercovered

[Nonc Hilaire]

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Amy Goodwin makes some excellent points here. The media is absolutely shaping public perception.

[Nonc Hilaire]

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The Sanders campaign are hoping they will stay undercovered

Will somebody please take away Doc's crayons before he shoves them up his nose?

[Doc]

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The Sanders campaign are hoping they will stay undercovered

Will somebody please take away Doc's crayons before he shoves them up his nose?

We got a problem Nonc or have you appointed yourself posting Nazi?

[Nonc Hilaire]

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The Sanders campaign are hoping they will stay undercovered

Will somebody please take away Doc's crayons before he shoves them up his nose?

We got a problem Nonc or have you appointed yourself posting Nazi?

No names, no claims, no source of course. You might well cite from a talking horse.

That's a junk graphic, Doc. Pure idiocy.