Global rankings of nations
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:32 am
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SM,Simple Minded wrote:Is it just me, or does this list seem Earth-centric?
Right you are, Roger Ramjet.Mr. Perfect wrote:We've always had the best health care in the world.
Zack,Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.
SM,Simple Minded wrote:Zack,Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.
I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.
I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.
100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."
Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.
How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........
No it isn't.Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.
alex,manolo wrote:SM,Simple Minded wrote:Zack,Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.
I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.
I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.
100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."
Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.
How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........
I can't quite follow the story in your colleague's experiences. Private health care is immediately available here in the UK, and I have used it a couple of times. I'm sure that folks in France and Germany can go private just as easy. What's the beef?
Alex.
All this is anecdotal, however, based on my own [now admittedly old] experience, I suspect that AREVA arranges for gold-plated health insurance for French nationals living and working in the USA.Simple Minded wrote:Zack,Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.
I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.
I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.
100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."
Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.
How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........
good points. All personal experiences are both subjective, anecdotal, and filtered thru our personal set of norms.Typhoon wrote:All this is anecdotal, however, based on my own [now admittedly old] experience, I suspect that AREVA arranges for gold-plated health insurance for French nationals living and working in the USA.Simple Minded wrote:Zack,Zack Morris wrote:The "average" hospital is unaffordable for most Americans. There's not a big difference between the quality of our average care and the average care one receives in Switzerland. Certainly not enough to warrant the cost and the increase in people who cannot get the medical treatment they would like.
I work for AREVA, which is a large French company, as a result we have lots of Europeans who come over for extended (1 year + ) periods. From conversations with a bunch of them, they all prefer their native health care systems when they get off the plane, and after about a year in the US, about 70% prefer the "US system." Perhaps only the Europeans who are a bit more capitalist, rather than socialist by nature make the effort to come here.
I suspect it has nothing to do with national systems, but is merely the subjectivity of "average," 'better," "affordable," and their personal experiences with local health care here versus local health care back home. Most seem to prefer high tech, immediate access to health care here, even at higher prices than what they experienced back home.
100% of the Europeans here on long term assignments seem to prefer not paying to subsidize the health care of others each time they buy food, clothes, energy, etc. Human nature and the eternal quest for the "real deal."
Seems similar to people in county X bragging about the better local services than in county Y while at the same time bitching about the higher taxes they pay in county X.
How to get humans past the self-interest phase and into the We-interest phase.........
If that is the case, then what is there not to like.
I'll be making one of my annual trips to the USA soon and will, as always, be purchasing gold-plated medical travel insurance.
The cost of medical care in the US makes paying out of pocket prohibitive.