Dead white guys

[Doc]

Already posted in another thread, but...

The report found significant increases in overdoses in 14 states across the country. All regions of the US - including the Northeast and the South - were affected.

Overdose deaths are up in both men and women, in non-Hispanic whites and blacks, and in adults of nearly all ages, the report said.

Rural West Virginia had one of the worse overdose rates in the US. The state rate was 35.5 per 100,000 people; the national rate was about 15 per 100,000.

Gives a new meaning to the words: Almost heaven, West Virginia.

A shame. Years ago, drove through the area a number of times going between Chicago and Baltimore and New Orleans and Baltimore. Very beautiful.

Although the song has always puzzled me in that the Blue Ridge Mountains are mostly in western Virginia and N Carolina.

The couple that wrote the song were driving from DC home to visit family in WV when they wrote it. Which of course took them through the Blue ridge and across the Shenandoah (which is also largely in Virginia.)

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Death rates are rising for white, less-educated Americans.

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Why are whites overdosing or drinking themselves to death at higher rates than African-Americans and Hispanics in similar circumstances ?

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eference group theory explains why people who have more may feel that they have less. What matters is to whom you are comparing yourself. It’s not that white workers are doing worse than African-Americans or Hispanics.

In the fourth quarter of 2015, the median weekly earnings of white men aged 25 to 54 were $950, well above the same figure for black men ($703) and Hispanic men ($701). But for some whites — perhaps the ones who account for the increasing death rate — that may be beside the point. Their main reference group is their parents’ generation, and by that standard they have little to look forward to and a lot to lament.

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[YMix]

U.S. Suicide Rate Surges to a 30-Year High

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Researchers also found an alarming increase among girls 10 to 14, whose suicide rate, while still very low, had tripled. The number of girls who killed themselves rose to 150 in 2014 from 50 in 1999. “This one certainly jumped out,” said Sally Curtin, a statistician at the center and an author of the report.

American Indians had the sharpest rise of all racial and ethnic groups, with rates rising by 89 percent for women and 38 percent for men. White middle-aged women had an increase of 80 percent.

The rate declined for just one racial group: black men. And it declined for only one age group: men and women over 75.

The data analysis provided fresh evidence of suffering among white Americans. Recent research has highlighted the plight of less educated whites, showing surges in deaths from drug overdoses, suicides, liver disease and alcohol poisoning, particularly among those with a high school education or less. The new report did not break down suicide rates by education, but researchers who reviewed the analysis said the patterns in age and race were consistent with that recent research and painted a picture of desperation for many in American society.

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[Zack Morris]

The demographic for which suicides are rising is the same that listens to conservative radio, votes Trump, and reads Spengler. I think there's a causal relationship here.

[Simple Minded]

The demographic for which suicides are rising is the same that listens to conservative radio, votes Trump, and reads Spengler. I think there's a causal relationship here.

Nice.

Probably so. Too much talk radio or internet can make anyone suicidal.

[Simple Minded]

Suicide seems like the ultimate personal evaluation of one's own life.

Given an the infinite number of stimuli, variables, and perspectives involved, looking for data trends seems to be like looking for trends in inkblots or clouds.

I think it reveals more about the observer's preferred weltanschauung than any observed phenomena.

Or maybe, Zack is actually right. They're just loons who think AGW is real, or that media talking heads/political candidates actually have valid opinions worth listening to.

In any event, in "the long run" it is a self-correcting feedback mechanism. Good for Mother Earth and the continuing evolution of humanity...... right?

[Zack Morris]

I was only half joking. There's a serious point in my statement, and which I think you have hit upon as well. If perception is reality, then the reality that conservative whites inhabit is one of shear terror and profound existential angst that they have walled themselves into. The Muslims are at the gates, black lives suddenly matter, and Bruce Jenner wears dresses now -- all that remains is for Christ to descend from heaven and take the dwindling faithful with him. Some apparently can't wait and are trying to jump the queue.

Meanwhile, everyone else would agree that the sky is not falling and that whites are objectively far better off than blacks and Hispanics have ever been, yet suicide among those groups is less prevalent. America is always changing. Get a grip, old conservative white people!

[Typhoon]

The Great Disappointment

It is déjà vu . . . all over again.

[Simple Minded]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQb2OppEow

hope springs eternal.... until one commits suicide.

white people could learn a lot from animals......

[noddy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate


white guys are mostly useless at suicide, merkins are way down the list - its brown and asian guys that set the standard, with only the frozen northern euros pulling their weight.

[Simple Minded]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate


white guys are mostly useless at suicide, merkins are way down the list - its brown and asian guys that set the standard, with only the frozen northern euros pulling their weight.

I can understand the tundra type's plight. I grew up in Rochester, NY. Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) is a real phenomena even for natives who have never known different.

Japan & South Korea are shockers.

Saudi Arabia's low rank makes a good case for mincome. They are much better at establishing the clear lines of demarcation of "us" and "them" than the rest of "us." "We" could learn a lot from "them."

Of course, they also have lots of sunlight.

Cultural expectations, genetics, lousy parents, income, weather, belief in AGW or heaven or hell, health, dysfunctional peers, etc.

Demographic grouping is tricky shite. Don't try it at home.

[Doc]

How the state of the economy is literally killing people
(or how left wing economics is literally killing people)
By Betsy McCaughey

April 25, 2016 | 9:14pm
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How the state of the economy is literally killing people
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The number of middle-aged whites killing themselves has soared
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Middle-aged people laid off and unable to find work are taking another way out. They’re killing themselves.

Suicide rates are soaring, according to federal data released last week. Especially in economically depressed states and job-starved upstate New York. People in need of work are twice as likely to take their own lives as employed people, and people fired in their 40s and 50s find it hardest to get hired again.

That makes boosting economic growth a life-or-death issue for many. But you wouldn’t know it listening to President Obama and Hillary Clinton. President Obama whitewashes reality, claiming the “American economy is pretty darn good right now.”

False. The Obama economy is stalled. It grew at a measly .7 percent annualized rate the first quarter of this year. That’s compared with the 3.5 percent rate the US enjoyed for most of the 20th century — what’s needed to sustain employment and optimism.

True, the economy slowed under George W. Bush. Obama inherited a recession and, with it, a suicide epidemic. When the recession hit, suicide deaths suddenly started outnumbering deaths from auto accidents. But eight years later, job losses are still driving the suicide rate higher and higher.

Clinton seems unmoved. She’s pledging to close down the coal industry and block natural-gas fracking. More pain for coal country or for portions of upstate New York that are sitting on natural-gas treasure.

Self-inflicted deaths in the Syracuse area are up about 40 percent in the past five years, and rates in depressed western New York are double New York City’s rate. Upstate New Yorkers are literally dying for jobs.

Similarly, joblessness is killing people in Walker County, Ala., where the coal mines have been shutting down, leaving families destitute. Since 1999, premature deaths among the middle-aged there have more than doubled — some from suicide and others from slower methods of self-destruction like alcohol and opiods.

New Jersey used to have one of the lowest suicide rates in the nation, but it’s shot up 13 percent in two years. “We’ve seen a wave of suicides that resulted from the financial crisis a little bit later than other parts of the country,” reports prevention-advocate Phil Lubitz.

Economic distress is so widespread that for the first time ever, life expectancy of white women in the United States actually dropped. Despite progress against cancer and heart disease, lives are being cut short by hopelessness.

It’s a national health emergency. Suicide kills more middle-agers than flu, pneumonia and diabetes combined — often after dashed expectations, abandonment by a spouse and loss of self-worth. Then a bullet to the head or a noose (for men), or a deliberate drug overdose (for women) ends the pain.

These tragedies should awaken this nation to the real issue in the coming presidential election. It’s not inequality, despite Bernie Sanders’ rantings. It’s lack of growth and the Democratic Party’s refusal to make growth a priority.

People don’t kill themselves because their neighbor has more money. They take their life when they can see no way to get a job, support their family and regain self-worth.

The Congressional Budget Office predicts that with current policies in effect, growth will lumber along at less than 3 percent — too little to stop the suicides.

Every candidate should be putting forward policies to jumpstart the economy — including lowering corporate-tax rates, deregulating, improving international trade deals and wooing companies and capital back into the States.

Job-killing policies are people-killers, too. Suicide spiked during the Depression in 1933, rose and fell with economic growth thereafter and hit an all-time low with the tech boom in 2000. Now, 10 years of stagnant economic growth have produced a new wave of human tragedy, as laid-off workers see no way out except death.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/25/how-the-st ... ng-people/

Zack that 110% tax on your big fat pay check is looking pretty good.

[YMix]

Zack that 110% tax on your big fat pay check is looking pretty good.

And Brownback's dumb experiment is looking pretty bad.

P.9 - "In 2014, 454 Kansas residents died due to suicide, up 6.6 percent from 426 suicide deaths in 2013. Almost four-fifths (78.6%) of suicide victims were male. The two age groups with the largest number of suicides were 45-54 (92 deaths) and 55-64 (76 deaths). The three most common methods of suicide were firearms (237 deaths), suffocation (123 deaths), and poisoning (65 deaths)."

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In 2013, the Kansas suicide rate (14.7 suicides per 100,000 population) was 16.7 percent higher than the national rate (12.6 suicides per 100,000 population).

White non-Hispanics accounted for 88.8 percent (3,491 deaths) of Kansas resident suicides during the 2004-2013 period.
Males accounted for 81.2 percent of suicides during the 2004-2013 period.

Onward, to victory!

[Doc]

Zack that 110% tax on your big fat pay check is looking pretty good.

And Brownback's dumb experiment is looking pretty bad.

P.9 - "In 2014, 454 Kansas residents died due to suicide, up 6.6 percent from 426 suicide deaths in 2013. Almost four-fifths (78.6%) of suicide victims were male. The two age groups with the largest number of suicides were 45-54 (92 deaths) and 55-64 (76 deaths). The three most common methods of suicide were firearms (237 deaths), suffocation (123 deaths), and poisoning (65 deaths)."

[...]

In 2013, the Kansas suicide rate (14.7 suicides per 100,000 population) was 16.7 percent higher than the national rate (12.6 suicides per 100,000 population).

White non-Hispanics accounted for 88.8 percent (3,491 deaths) of Kansas resident suicides during the 2004-2013 period.
Males accounted for 81.2 percent of suicides during the 2004-2013 period.

Onward, to victory!

These tragedies should awaken this nation to the real issue in the coming presidential election. It’s not inequality, despite Bernie Sanders’ rantings. It’s lack of growth and the Democratic Party’s refusal to make growth a priority.

People don’t kill themselves because their neighbor has more money. They take their life when they can see no way to get a job, support their family and regain self-worth.

[YMix]

It’s lack of growth and the Democratic Party’s refusal to make growth a priority.

Don't you people have a Republican supermajority going on?

[Doc]

It’s lack of growth and the Democratic Party’s refusal to make growth a priority.

Don't you people have a Republican supermajority going on?

We have an durian in the White House that is more concerned with the dangers of a strong economy
than he is about people suffering from a bad one.

[Heracleum Persicum]

It’s lack of growth and the Democratic Party’s refusal to make growth a priority.

Don't you people have a Republican supermajority going on?

We have an durian in the White House that is more concerned with the dangers of a strong economy
than he is people suffering from a bad one.

American presidents have no direct influence on economy, neither a bad nor a good economy is on American presidents account

American economy direct result of FED monetary policy , AND, laws passed by congress.

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[YMix]

We have an durian in the White House that is more concerned with the dangers of a strong economy
than he is people suffering from a bad one.

Obama told Brownback and Jindal to make a mess of Kansas and Louisiana?

[Simple Minded]

I was only half joking. There's a serious point in my statement, and which I think you have hit upon as well. If perception is reality, then the reality that conservative whites inhabit is one of shear terror and profound existential angst that they have walled themselves into. The Muslims are at the gates, black lives suddenly matter, and Bruce Jenner wears dresses now -- all that remains is for Christ to descend from heaven and take the dwindling faithful with him. Some apparently can't wait and are trying to jump the queue.

Meanwhile, everyone else would agree that the sky is not falling and that whites are objectively far better off than blacks and Hispanics have ever been, yet suicide among those groups is less prevalent. America is always changing. Get a grip, old conservative white people!

Chicken Little types love doomer porn. AGW for example. Someone will always preach and sell what others will buy.

Oddly enough, "their walls" sound an awful lot like "your walls."

Strange how that happens sometimes.......

[Doc]

We have an durian in the White House that is more concerned with the dangers of a strong economy
than he is people suffering from a bad one.

Obama told Brownback and Jindal to make a mess of Kansas and Louisiana?

Obama has made the mess. Though he had help. But not so much from the above as they only have control over individual states By Obama's count that leaves another 55 states to account for.

Obama has done absolutely nothing to make things better. I honestly don't believe he cares to. I guess it is not his concern what happens to the middle class as long as he can shovel money at his friends.

On the other side conservatives keep talking about free trade. As if there really was such a thing. They condemn Trump for saying he is in favor of fair trade. But that just shows they are as delusional as Liberals when it comes to the real world.

I saw a chart recently that show the amount of new retail construct there was in the US several years ago compared to today. There was 9 times what there is now. All the people that would have worked in those retail outlet are now doing what? Between the disruptive effect of online trade and cheap(by every meaning of the word) imports from China there is a big squeeze of the middle and lower classes going on. The lower classes have Obama and big government However that is only temporary as more and more people enter the lower class.

All the while people that are more than fortunate like Zack are getting big bucks to screw them with ever more disruptive technology. Look for Zack's taxes to go up and up until he no longer is getting that big fat pay check.

"First they came ..." is a famous statement and provocative poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt and responsibility.

When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers.
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians - "should I be my brother's keeper?"
Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. - I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? -- Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers
I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

And lest some feel that the Nazis were right wing rather than left wing

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[YMix]

Obama has made the mess. Though he had help. But not so much from the above as they only have control over individual states By Obama's count that leaves another 55 states to account for.

Obama has done absolutely nothing to make things better. I honestly don't believe he cares to. I guess it is not his concern what happens to the middle class as long as he can shovel money at his friends.

Doing nothing to make things better doesn't mean he made the mess in the first place.

I saw a chart recently that show the amount of new retail construct there was in the US several years ago compared to today. There was 9 times what there is now. All the people that would have worked in those retail outlet are now doing what? Between the disruptive effect of online trade and cheap(by every meaning of the word) imports from China there is a big squeeze of the middle and lower classes going on. The lower classes have Obama and big government However that is only temporary as more and more people enter the lower class.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Mr. Perfect has assured me that technological progress does not have a disruptive effect on society. Those former construction and retail workers are probably too lazy to get jobs.

[Doc]

Obama has made the mess. Though he had help. But not so much from the above as they only have control over individual states By Obama's count that leaves another 55 states to account for.

Obama has done absolutely nothing to make things better. I honestly don't believe he cares to. I guess it is not his concern what happens to the middle class as long as he can shovel money at his friends.

Doing nothing to make things better doesn't mean he made the mess in the first place.

I saw a chart recently that show the amount of new retail construct there was in the US several years ago compared to today. There was 9 times what there is now. All the people that would have worked in those retail outlet are now doing what? Between the disruptive effect of online trade and cheap(by every meaning of the word) imports from China there is a big squeeze of the middle and lower classes going on. The lower classes have Obama and big government However that is only temporary as more and more people enter the lower class.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Mr. Perfect has assured me that technological progress does not have a disruptive effect on society. Those former construction and retail workers are probably too lazy to get jobs.

Obama made the mess much worse with his 1.2 trillion dollar stimulus/crony bailout With Obamacare cronyism with his attacks on large segments of the American economy.

AS for disruptive tech there are no jobs for anyone looking for one over 50 There are no jobs for anyone under 30 with anything but a STEM degree and there are only so many STEM jobs that are ever going to be available. Seems all the factories where people used to work in the US have been shipped to China.

The reason for sending all those factories to China was to get access to Chinese markets for high tech gadgets

Which suddenly doesn't seem to be working so well:

https://audioboom.com/boos/4493206-chin ... y-kazianis

Which in turn just goes to show how idiotic our New World Order political establishment in the US really is.

Given the reception the Political Establishment and the MSM have given Trump it seems they still refuse to see the clearly obvious results of their extreme stupidity

[YMix]

The political establishment is doing fine. The 1% are doing fine.

Also:

In a 2010 report titled “Middle Class in America,” the U.S. Commerce Department defined that class less by its position on the economic scale than by its aspirations: homeownership, a car for each adult, health security, a college education for each child, retirement security, and a family vacation each year. By that standard, my wife and I do not live anywhere near a middle-class life, even though I earn what would generally be considered a middle-class income or better. A 2014 analysis by USA Today concluded that the American dream, defined by factors that generally corresponded to the Commerce Department’s middle-class benchmarks, would require an income of just more than $130,000 a year for an average family of four. Median family income in 2014 was roughly half that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... me/476415/

[Doc]

The political establishment is doing fine. The 1% are doing fine.

Also:

In a 2010 report titled “Middle Class in America,” the U.S. Commerce Department defined that class less by its position on the economic scale than by its aspirations: homeownership, a car for each adult, health security, a college education for each child, retirement security, and a family vacation each year. By that standard, my wife and I do not live anywhere near a middle-class life, even though I earn what would generally be considered a middle-class income or better. A 2014 analysis by USA Today concluded that the American dream, defined by factors that generally corresponded to the Commerce Department’s middle-class benchmarks, would require an income of just more than $130,000 a year for an average family of four. Median family income in 2014 was roughly half that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... me/476415/

Correction the crony capitalists and their politicians are doing just fine.

[noddy]

Obama has made the mess. Though he had help. But not so much from the above as they only have control over individual states By Obama's count that leaves another 55 states to account for.

Obama has done absolutely nothing to make things better. I honestly don't believe he cares to. I guess it is not his concern what happens to the middle class as long as he can shovel money at his friends.

Doing nothing to make things better doesn't mean he made the mess in the first place.

I saw a chart recently that show the amount of new retail construct there was in the US several years ago compared to today. There was 9 times what there is now. All the people that would have worked in those retail outlet are now doing what? Between the disruptive effect of online trade and cheap(by every meaning of the word) imports from China there is a big squeeze of the middle and lower classes going on. The lower classes have Obama and big government However that is only temporary as more and more people enter the lower class.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Mr. Perfect has assured me that technological progress does not have a disruptive effect on society. Those former construction and retail workers are probably too lazy to get jobs.

Obama made the mess much worse with his 1.2 trillion dollar stimulus/crony bailout With Obamacare cronyism with his attacks on large segments of the American economy.

AS for disruptive tech there are no jobs for anyone looking for one over 50 There are no jobs for anyone under 30 with anything but a STEM degree and there are only so many STEM jobs that are ever going to be available. Seems all the factories where people used to work in the US have been shipped to China.

The reason for sending all those factories to China was to get access to Chinese markets for high tech gadgets

Which suddenly doesn't seem to be working so well:

https://audioboom.com/boos/4493206-chin ... y-kazianis

Which in turn just goes to show how idiotic our New World Order political establishment in the US really is.

Given the reception the Political Establishment and the MSM have given Trump it seems they still refuse to see the clearly obvious results of their extreme stupidity

so, you honestly and without sarcasm think sitting on a factory line putting lavender in boxes will recreate the middle class ?

i cant tell when your being absurd anymore.