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I was going to let him find that out the hard way. We won't even get into record homelessness out there. Yet.

You can criticize Gov. Moonbeam for a lot of things, a lot of it downright loopy. You cannot, however, say he hates his state. And he's been preaching from the rooftops that things have to change or else, and the California legislature/initiative loonies keep pushing the whole thing over the cliff.

I wouldn't bet against California, Nap. If you want to run scenarios, you may as well stress test every other state in the Union. I think you'll find the prospects for conservative-dominated states to be grim. Look at what a downturn in oil prices did to North Dakota. Nevada was crushed by the housing crisis and is now desperately trying to ween itself off of casino revenue (which at some point will mean creating a state income tax).

California has enormous advantages over the aforementioned red states. Part of it is the unfair and unearned blessing of its geography (most beautiful state in the nation) but it would be foolish to ignore its welcoming culture and the powerful network effects of its liberal-dominated knowledge industries.

Wherever something like California begins to exist -- Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Texas -- an inexorable leftward shift accompanies and accelerates it.

I wonder how much gov't spending Kansas cut along with the taxes....

but to throw in bad state economies, has anyone looked at Connecticut lately? Our Gov. is killing us- and he's this strange obsession with making our road system the best in the nation.*

He's turning the state into a bedroom town for Mass. and NY.

*if this were even remotely true, small sections of roadway wouldn't be budgeted as 30, 40 and even 50 year projects. One stretch of the highway, 3 exits; approx 3 miles apart, actually is scheduled to be finished 50 years from now. I've seen it first hand, the crew just sits there on most days....

Zack Morris wrote:I wouldn't bet against California, Nap. If you want to run scenarios, you may as well stress test every other state in the Union. I think you'll find the prospects for conservative-dominated states to be grim. Look at what a downturn in oil prices did to North Dakota. Nevada was crushed by the housing crisis and is now desperately trying to ween itself off of casino revenue (which at some point will mean creating a state income tax).

California has enormous advantages over the aforementioned red states. Part of it is the unfair and unearned blessing of its geography (most beautiful state in the nation) but it would be foolish to ignore its welcoming culture and the powerful network effects of its liberal-dominated knowledge industries.

Wherever something like California begins to exist -- Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Texas -- an inexorable leftward shift accompanies and accelerates it.

Which explains our supermajority status.

Zack Morris wrote:I wouldn't bet against California, Nap. If you want to run scenarios, you may as well stress test every other state in the Union. I think you'll find the prospects for conservative-dominated states to be grim. Look at what a downturn in oil prices did to North Dakota. Nevada was crushed by the housing crisis and is now desperately trying to ween itself off of casino revenue (which at some point will mean creating a state income tax).

California has enormous advantages over the aforementioned red states. Part of it is the unfair and unearned blessing of its geography (most beautiful state in the nation) but it would be foolish to ignore its welcoming culture and the powerful network effects of its liberal-dominated knowledge industries.

Wherever something like California begins to exist -- Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Texas -- an inexorable leftward shift accompanies and accelerates it.

is this a biggie vs tupac thing?

Almost. Zack Morris idolizes rich white liberals that dwell in city apartments, which is the smallest voting bloc in the US. They are capable of doing zero on their own, politically.

No mention ever of poor uneducated blacks and hispanics without which his apartment dwellers wouldn't even have a party. It's almost as if they don't exist.

Zack Morris wrote:I wouldn't bet against California, Nap. If you want to run scenarios, you may as well stress test every other state in the Union. I think you'll find the prospects for conservative-dominated states to be grim. Look at what a downturn in oil prices did to North Dakota. Nevada was crushed by the housing crisis and is now desperately trying to ween itself off of casino revenue (which at some point will mean creating a state income tax).

California has enormous advantages over the aforementioned red states. Part of it is the unfair and unearned blessing of its geography (most beautiful state in the nation) but it would be foolish to ignore its welcoming culture and the powerful network effects of its liberal-dominated knowledge industries.

Wherever something like California begins to exist -- Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Texas -- an inexorable leftward shift accompanies and accelerates it.

It's not about rooting against California; it's that we've probably hit peak Californication both culturally and economically.

And no, Silicon Valley is not impressive (nor are the academic institutes- we have better ones out east) anymore. It's on borrowed time.

Borrowed time? Like Wall Street? Or maybe Houston? SV isn't going anywhere. And neither are those other hubs. Tech has always existed outside of California, and I fully expect that SV will gradually become less important. But California has weathered multiple boom and bust cycles. It's to the US what the US is to the world.

The country is entering a liberal super cycle. Only liberal cities are growing. That's where the jobs are. No great city has reverted to conservatism.

Capitalism created jobs. Thanks for the supermajority.

Democrats are the party of capitalism and innovation. Repubs are the party of religious hucksters, racists, and Saudi Arabianesque oil money. God is dead, solar is the future, GOP = finished.

Says the party of Bernie Sanders (S) Vt. Good stuff. Are you trying convince me or yourself. We have 60% of Fedstatelocal gov. If that is being finished, please finish me now.

White liberal tfr = 1, conservative tfr = 2. It's just math bro, don't be so mad at math.

Mr. Perfect wrote:Says the party of Bernie Sanders (S) Vt. Good stuff. Are you trying convince me or yourself. We have 60% of Fedstatelocal gov. If that is being finished, please finish me now.

We've got 45% of the national population identifying as Democratic or leaning Democratic. You've only got 42%. Your "deep bench" of future leadership includes pro-choice pro-amnesty Hispanics. We aren't going anywhere We've already won. Just a mop up operation now.

P.S. Thanks for pumping out all those liberal babies! It's a messy job reveling in diaper-changing, dealing with teenage angst, and bankrupting yourself paying for swimming lessons and underwater basket-weaving degrees, but someone's gotta do it!

Zack Morris wrote:

Mr. Perfect wrote:Says the party of Bernie Sanders (S) Vt. Good stuff. Are you trying convince me or yourself. We have 60% of Fedstatelocal gov. If that is being finished, please finish me now.

We've got 45% of the national population identifying as Democratic or leaning Democratic. You've only got 42%. Your "deep bench" of future leadership includes pro-choice pro-amnesty Hispanics. We aren't going anywhere We've already won. Just a mop up operation now.

P.S. Thanks for pumping out all those liberal babies! It's a messy job reveling in diaper-changing, dealing with teenage angst, and bankrupting yourself paying for swimming lessons and underwater basket-weaving degrees, but someone's gotta do it!

So if you get your way we will soon all be living in a worker's paradise Yeah Right

Zack Morris wrote:Democrats are the party of capitalism and innovation. Repubs are the party of religious hucksters, racists, and Saudi Arabianesque oil money. God is dead, solar is the future, GOP = finished.

Soooo You feel that after receiving $25 million from the SAUDIS that Hillary is the ANTI-HUCKSTER candidate. Interesting innovation of capitalism....

Doc wrote:

Zack Morris wrote:

Mr. Perfect wrote:Says the party of Bernie Sanders (S) Vt. Good stuff. Are you trying convince me or yourself. We have 60% of Fedstatelocal gov. If that is being finished, please finish me now.

We've got 45% of the national population identifying as Democratic or leaning Democratic. You've only got 42%. Your "deep bench" of future leadership includes pro-choice pro-amnesty Hispanics. We aren't going anywhere We've already won. Just a mop up operation now.

P.S. Thanks for pumping out all those liberal babies! It's a messy job reveling in diaper-changing, dealing with teenage angst, and bankrupting yourself paying for swimming lessons and underwater basket-weaving degrees, but someone's gotta do it!

So if you get your way we will soon all be living in a worker's paradise Yeah Right




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True, long line wait for bus

But

San Francisco has more homeless sleeping on the street than Mumbai in India

Come on, Doc, come on

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Doc wrote:

Zack Morris wrote:

Mr. Perfect wrote:Says the party of Bernie Sanders (S) Vt. Good stuff. Are you trying convince me or yourself. We have 60% of Fedstatelocal gov. If that is being finished, please finish me now.

We've got 45% of the national population identifying as Democratic or leaning Democratic. You've only got 42%. Your "deep bench" of future leadership includes pro-choice pro-amnesty Hispanics. We aren't going anywhere We've already won. Just a mop up operation now.

P.S. Thanks for pumping out all those liberal babies! It's a messy job reveling in diaper-changing, dealing with teenage angst, and bankrupting yourself paying for swimming lessons and underwater basket-weaving degrees, but someone's gotta do it!

So if you get your way we will soon all be living in a worker's paradise Yeah Right




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True, long line wait for bus

But

San Francisco has more homeless sleeping on the street than Mumbai in India

Come on, Doc, come on

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San Francisco is the most progressive city in the US. Ru by progresses for decades. Who knows? Maybe if they elect Kim Jung Un as the dear leader and it would be an improvement.

Aside from various ideological biases, the data for the GDP of each US state is readily available:

List of U.S. states by GDP

California ranks #1 with a GDP of more than twice the 2nd ranked state.

Typhoon wrote:Aside from various ideological biases, the data for the GDP of each US state is readily available:

List of U.S. states by GDP

California ranks #1 with a GDP of more than twice the 2nd ranked state.

Right. California has been an economic powerhouse for a long time now. I'm not sure if it still applies, but at one point, as a separate country, it would've ranked 6th in GDP worldwide.

All the more reason that California's economic problems any future uncertainties are more worrisome and concerning than a downturn in oil for North Dakota or why the tax scheme in Kansas didn't work quite as well as it did in North Carolina.

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Zack Morris wrote: We've got 45% of the national population identifying as Democratic or leaning Democratic. You've only got 42%.

Independents skew GOP and Democrats are more likely to cross the aisle in the voting booth than Republicans. Been going on since the 60's. Thanks for not knowing about it and thanks for the supermajorities.

Your "deep bench" of future leadership includes pro-choice pro-amnesty Hispanics. We aren't going anywhere We've already won. Just a mop up operation now.

If winning to you is permanent superminority status then I hope you always win. I think you will.

P.S. Thanks for pumping out all those liberal babies! It's a messy job reveling in diaper-changing, dealing with teenage angst, and bankrupting yourself paying for swimming lessons and underwater basket-weaving degrees, but someone's gotta do it!

No problem. And a future thank you to all the millenials who will join the GOP once they get jobs, buy houses, get married, and have kids as has always happened before and will always happen in the future.

Mr. Perfect wrote: No problem. And a future thank you to all the millenials who will join the GOP once they get jobs, buy houses, get married, and have kids as has always happened before and will always happen in the future.

Will they get married? Or have kids?

Typhoon wrote:Aside from various ideological biases, the data for the GDP of each US state is readily available:

List of U.S. states by GDP

California ranks #1 with a GDP of more than twice the 2nd ranked state.

So how is it that San Francisco has more homeless than Mumbai?

Doc wrote:

Typhoon wrote:Aside from various ideological biases, the data for the GDP of each US state is readily available:

List of U.S. states by GDP

California ranks #1 with a GDP of more than twice the 2nd ranked state.

So how is it that San Francisco has more homeless than Mumbai?

Not clear to me that this assertion by HP is correct. His link is to a bunch of images.

Homelessness is only one aspect of poverty. Some perspective:

54% of Mumbai lives in slums: World Bank

As a purely practical matter, if one were homeless in the US, then it would be better to be so in a place where one was not at risk of freezing to death.
My guess is that is why I recall a disproportionate number of homeless people in San Diego.

Doc wrote:.

So how is it that San Francisco has more homeless than Mumbai ?

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How ? ? ?


Poverty level begins with $ 100,000 income, you sleeping on the street below $ 80,000


$250K Per Year Salary Qualify For Subsidized Housing

Tech worker making less than $100K a yr takes Bus in the night to sleep over night.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Doc wrote:.

So how is it that San Francisco has more homeless than Mumbai ?

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How ? ? ?


Poverty level begins with $ 100,000 income, you sleeping on the street below $ 80,000


$250K Per Year Salary Qualify For Subsidized Housing


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Another reason why a comparison between San Fran and Mumbai is simply silly.