Politics Down Under

[noddy]

not sure the global warming stuff is much of an issue, outside the usual leftist circles and their media.

the problem we have right now is mirrored across the entire west - economic recovery via the GDP numbers is not being reflected in wages or jobs growth.

their are no solutions to that and the high failure rate of politicians will continue for the foreseeable future.

all the answers are politically impossible, it takes an durian like trump to talk about them but a proper hardnose pragmatist to implement them and that combination is very rare.. so rare they only show up once a millenia and get "the great" appended to their names by history.

[Simple Minded]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-07/ ... fmredir=sm

another reason why I like Straya!


"
"In Australia we have violence-free elections, people are allowed to protest peacefully but anything approaching violence is unacceptable," he said.

"If this protester thinks she will get sympathy or support from me, she couldn't be more wrong."

Eggs have become a weapon of choice in Australian politics this year. "

Hint: In the olden days, as kids, we used to throw horse balls (manure) at each other. They're kinda like eggs, but kinda not.

[noddy]

yeh the lefties are getting quite amped up now, we are getting more like America every day :/

In other news, a conservative christian rugby player (*) lost his job for stating that “hell awaits” for “drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, idolators”.

apparently it was in his contract not to rant against gay people but its an ugly situation nonetheless, what about us drunk fornicating atheists.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/rug ... 9482297693

(*) who is also a minority polynesian.

[Simple Minded]

yeh the lefties are getting quite amped up now, we are getting more like America every day :/

Enjoy it while it lasts...... You're lucky, in some cultures fear of becoming more like America, leads people to strap on suicide vests.... or protest against climate change.

In other news, a conservative christian rugby player (*) lost his job for stating that “hell awaits” for “drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, idolators”.

apparently it was in his contract not to rant against gay people but its an ugly situation nonetheless, what about us drunk fornicating atheists..

Since drunk, fornicating, atheists are obviously in the majority world wide, they are oppressors, not victims.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/rug ... 9482297693

(*) who is also a minority polynesian.

Damn shame your race baiting industry isn't as highly advanced and entrenched as Merka's, cause they he would be a protected species. Evidently, when one has to choose between being a minority, or being preachy, there are some things that are tolerable, and some that are not.

You guys put a women in charge of Rugby Australia? WTF were you thinking? In Merka, we save those alpha chicks for the lingerie football league.

AfkKjATCu4E

[Typhoon]

not sure the global warming stuff is much of an issue, outside the usual leftist circles and their media.

Aside from The Australian, is there any mainstream media that is not dominated by the leftist chattering classes?

The ABC, The SMH, and The Age are constantly going on about climate change.

ABC | 'Appalling' policy inaction draws former UN climate leader into federal election campaign

The United Nations' former climate change czar has intervened in the Australian election, publicly backing four female independent candidates and calling out "appalling inaction in Canberra" on climate change.

Key points:

Christiana Figueres led the global negotiating process that culminated in the 2015 Paris climate change agreement
She has thrown her support behind four female independents whose key opponents are Liberals
Speaking to a Sydney forum, Ms Figueres said the Paris Agreement required countries to bring forward the most ambitious possible national targets every five years

Christiana Figueres led the UN's global negotiating process that culminated in the 2015 Paris climate change agreement, and is now a climate leader at the World Bank.

In other words, in charge of holding back development in newly industrializing nations.

Apparently, Tony Abbott has got to go, according to her and much of the Aussie media.

the problem we have right now is mirrored across the entire west - economic recovery via the GDP numbers is not being reflected in wages or jobs growth.

their are no solutions to that and the high failure rate of politicians will continue for the foreseeable future.

all the answers are politically impossible, it takes an durian like trump to talk about them but a proper hardnose pragmatist to implement them and that combination is very rare.. so rare they only show up once a millenia and get "the great" appended to their names by history.

Well, the impression one gets from the Aussie chattering classes is that posting on social media and selling each other bits of real estate constitutes an economy.
Ending natural resource extraction, a significant part of the Aussie economy, and deindustrialization are perceived as progressive positives.

It does not help that the artificial low interest rates post global financial bailout has lead to companies engaging in financial engineering instead of capital investment.

[noddy]

not sure the global warming stuff is much of an issue, outside the usual leftist circles and their media.

Aside from The Australian, is there any mainstream media that is not dominated by the leftist chattering classes?

The ABC, The SMH, and The Age are constantly going on about climate change.

the ABC is the government funded lefty intelligensia (tm) thing, ala the BBC.
the others are middle class centre left or murdoch globalist centre right.

this however is barely relevant now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... irculation - they are all fading away to nothing and the numbers in the 10's of thousands are woeful against a population of 30 million.

most folks share their own stories and memes on social media, or read smaller private blogs and forums, the progressive dominance of the media is increasingly to an empty room, hence the panic they are having about the "fake news" and social media.

same story goes for the free to air television news, its numbers are in freefall against the streaming options.

Well, the impression one gets from the Aussie chattering classes is that posting on social media and selling each other bits of real estate constitutes an economy.
Ending natural resource extraction, a significant part of the Aussie economy, and deindustrialization are perceived as progressive positives.

It does not help that the artificial low interest rates post global financial bailout has lead to companies engaging in financial engineering instead of capital investment.

the progressive chattering classes dominate the media, yet they always only get 5-10% of the vote, so they get more virulent in response.

its made worse by the fact that one state dominates the media production in australia (victoria) and its the most government funded state, so their belief system that the government creates all things is actually true, in their world if its not government funded it doesnt happen.

the wider truth that the rest of australia funds them via federal taxes is hand waved away with "we are all australians" left wing parasite rhetoric.

housing is our disease that crosses both sides of the fence - unfortunately for 2 generations of australians in a row, houses always did get more expensive and booms always made wages stronger, this has caused a mental road block in the entire population which will only get flushed by doomer porn levels of market crash.

we will continue to be high immigration, low land release as a repulsive way of maintaining that status quo, future generations can eat rocks - the greenies love the alleged protections against land clearing and the capitalists love garunteed profits for existing land owenrs.

[Simple Minded]

Interesting post noddy. So many parallels, you could be talking about the US, a mega church, or any other large institution.

Human behavior seems pretty consistent and universal. There's too damn many little "we's" in the big "we" for us to see eye to eye.

The bigger the "we" gets, the harder it is to tell them apart from the other "we's" who are competing for the same resources.

Fred: Join us!
Joe: Why?
Fred: Cause we are better than them!
Joe: I just don't see it.
Fred: Your'e a ________ist!

[noddy]

the fun bit of this particular "we" is the globalist fascists and the progressive greens want the same thing

protecting the wilderness also means enriching the existing land owners
high immigration also means a cheap desperate workforce for many industries.
more government controls and corporate rules means higher barriers to entry for startups.

the convergence of needs go on and on but they pretend to argue on the "why" even tho the "whats" remain the same.

[Simple Minded]

the fun bit of this particular "we" is the globalist fascists and the progressive greens want the same thing

protecting the wilderness also means enriching the existing land owners
high immigration also means a cheap desperate workforce for many industries.
more government controls and corporate rules means higher barriers to entry for startups.

the convergence of needs go on and on but they pretend to argue on the "why" even tho the "whats" remain the same.

As I said before, John Maynard Keynes got it wrong.

"In the long run, we're all a bunch of me's!" (tm)

Now that I live in the south, one of my favorite expressions is: I'm from NY. We have a saying back home. The polite southern version is "Screw em if they can't take a joke!"

Potential applications are infinite!

[noddy]

their is a big fat ME in team.

[Simple Minded]

their is a big fat ME in team.

true nuff. But no YOU, US, THEM or WE......

[noddy]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-13/ ... n/11095554

if you scroll down in this you get a state by state breakdown on the left/right split in australia that is very instructive and true to my sense of things as someone who has spent time in nearly all of them.

basically the most left wing person in WA or QLD is more right wing than the most right wing person in VIC

[Simple Minded]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-13/ ... n/11095554

if you scroll down in this you get a state by state breakdown on the left/right split in australia that is very instructive and true to my sense of things as someone who has spent time in nearly all of them.

basically the most left wing person in WA or QLD is more right wing than the most right wing person in VIC

thanks for posting. no surprise that right/left are defined by population density in OZ just like here. I consider this an indicator that environment is a stronger influence than ideology.

as usual, the binary labels, left/right, liberal/conservative, etc. tend to muddle understanding of reality.

interesting to read of the difference between states and territories.

[Typhoon]

A bit of a surprise in the Aussie federal election.

[noddy]

A bit of a surprise in the Aussie federal election.

not for me particularly, labour shat the bed with an attack on housing (which I actually agree with) but thats a no go area in this country.

may the houses ever get more expensive. amen.

[noddy]

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 896c61409d

the people behind our media accidently told the truth after predicting the progressives will win, cant imagine why australians dont care for them much.

‘Australians are dumb’
“I wish I was a New Zealander,”
“Australia has given its malevolent, ignorant and corrupt version of the Trump administration a third term,”
“Also - a warning to the progressive US counterparts, that even if things look good, ppl may surprise you (again),”

[noddy]

A bit of a surprise in the Aussie federal election.

not for me particularly, labour shat the bed with an attack on housing (which I actually agree with) but thats a no go area in this country.

may the houses ever get more expensive. amen.

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 5d7462050d

if you zoom in on this map, on the cities, you can find the inner city labour and greens that all polled and interviewed each other to declare it a left wing victory.

if you zoom out and look at the whole of australia, then the "red" lefty bits are a small minority.

----- for those that dont know the parties.

Australian Labor Party - LEFT
Liberal Party - RIGHT
National Party - RIGHT OF RIGHT
Liberal National Party - RIGHT
Katter's Australia Party - SO RIGHT RURAL AMERICANS WOULD VOTE FOR THEM
The Greens - SO LEFT THAT EUROPEANS WOULD BE WORRIED
Independents - MODERATE

[Ammianus]

A bit of a surprise in the Aussie federal election.

not for me particularly, labour shat the bed with an attack on housing (which I actually agree with) but thats a no go area in this country.

may the houses ever get more expensive. amen.

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 5d7462050d

if you zoom in on this map, on the cities, you can find the inner city labour and greens that all polled and interviewed each other to declare it a left wing victory.

if you zoom out and look at the whole of australia, then the "red" lefty bits are a small minority.

----- for those that dont know the parties.

Australian Labor Party - LEFT
Liberal Party - RIGHT
National Party - RIGHT OF RIGHT
Liberal National Party - RIGHT
Katter's Australia Party - SO RIGHT RURAL AMERICANS WOULD VOTE FOR THEM
The Greens - SO LEFT THAT EUROPEANS WOULD BE WORRIED
Independents - MODERATE

Noddy,

Any effects and implications on your country's future policies on immigration and assimilation? I surveyed a couple Australian "alt right" social media accounts a couple times recently, and they were grumbling about "demographic replacement" of long time Anglo-Australian natives by newer Asian and African immigrants. Could that sentiment have played a role in this election result?

[noddy]

not really - qld and nsw have that kind of right wing so you can find them - but for the rest of Australia the right wing is largely pro immigration.

Katter party (QLD) and National party (NSW/VIC) would be those types, the liberal party as the mainstream right wing party has usually had higher levels of immigration than when the lefties are in charge, they understand Australia is an asian country and that middle class chinese and indians vote right wing.

Africans is a new thing, mostly in melbourne, the left wing city - I cant really say how thats playing out except they voted green and left as always.

The Labour party lost because Australia is in a recession and the idiots went in on a platform of attacking the price of houses (bye bye retirements and investments) and wanting more taxes for green policies (struggling families dont have resources for this)

"Its the Economy stupid" (tm)

[Simple Minded]

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 896c61409d

the people behind our media accidently told the truth after predicting the progressives will win, cant imagine why australians dont care for them much.

‘Australians are dumb’
“I wish I was a New Zealander,”
“Australia has given its malevolent, ignorant and corrupt version of the Trump administration a third term,”
“Also - a warning to the progressive US counterparts, that even if things look good, ppl may surprise you (again),”

time for the Strayans to revive a great Merkin saying from the 1960's: "America! Love it or leave it!"

that's one thing Strayan deplorables have in common with Merkin deplorables, when you give them some well intended, compassionate, constructive criticism, like:
"You people suck! And you're too stupid to know how just much you suck!"
the deplorables tend to take that personally. Strange.

I suspect the number of woke, elite Strayans who move to NZ, will be very similar to the number of woke, elite, Merkins who moved to Canada since Trump was elected. The increase in the number of vacant properties probably won't affect housing prices all that much.

[Simple Minded]

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 5d7462050d

if you zoom in on this map, on the cities, you can find the inner city labour and greens that all polled and interviewed each other to declare it a left wing victory.

if you zoom out and look at the whole of australia, then the "red" lefty bits are a small minority.

----- for those that dont know the parties.

Australian Labor Party - LEFT
Liberal Party - RIGHT
National Party - RIGHT OF RIGHT
Liberal National Party - RIGHT
Katter's Australia Party - SO RIGHT RURAL AMERICANS WOULD VOTE FOR THEM
The Greens - SO LEFT THAT EUROPEANS WOULD BE WORRIED
Independents - MODERATE

Cool! Very informative. Much better than the EXTREMELY BORING two party system we have in the US.

Seems strange that you guys have a Liberal Party, National Party, and a Liberal National Party, but not a National Liberal Party.

That would cause some people over here to scream "Racist!" "Sexist!" or "________ist!"

What about the United Australia Party?

[Ammianus]

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election ... 51oy3.html

[Ammianus]

not really - qld and nsw have that kind of right wing so you can find them - but for the rest of Australia the right wing is largely pro immigration.

Katter party (QLD) and National party (NSW/VIC) would be those types, the liberal party as the mainstream right wing party has usually had higher levels of immigration than when the lefties are in charge, they understand Australia is an asian country and that middle class chinese and indians vote right wing.

Africans is a new thing, mostly in melbourne, the left wing city - I cant really say how thats playing out except they voted green and left as always.

The Labour party lost because Australia is in a recession and the idiots went in on a platform of attacking the price of houses (bye bye retirements and investments) and wanting more taxes for green policies (struggling families dont have resources for this)

"Its the Economy stupid" (tm)

Thank you for this reply. So it is safe to assume for the next 2-3 years, we'll see the continuation of high levels of legal and "high skilled" East and South Asian immigration to Australia, and the continued enforcement of the "sea wall" against illegal MidEastern/South/SE Asian migrants into your country? Is that the correct assumption?

[noddy]

[So it is safe to assume for the next 2-3 years, we'll see the continuation of high levels of legal and "high skilled" East and South Asian immigration to Australia, and the continued enforcement of the "sea wall" against illegal MidEastern/South/SE Asian migrants into your country? Is that the correct assumption?

That is the correct assumption.

[noddy]

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... 5d7462050d

if you zoom in on this map, on the cities, you can find the inner city labour and greens that all polled and interviewed each other to declare it a left wing victory.

if you zoom out and look at the whole of australia, then the "red" lefty bits are a small minority.

----- for those that dont know the parties.

Australian Labor Party - LEFT
Liberal Party - RIGHT
National Party - RIGHT OF RIGHT
Liberal National Party - RIGHT
Katter's Australia Party - SO RIGHT RURAL AMERICANS WOULD VOTE FOR THEM
The Greens - SO LEFT THAT EUROPEANS WOULD BE WORRIED
Independents - MODERATE

Cool! Very informative. Much better than the EXTREMELY BORING two party system we have in the US.

Seems strange that you guys have a Liberal Party, National Party, and a Liberal National Party, but not a National Liberal Party.

That would cause some people over here to scream "Racist!" "Sexist!" or "________ist!"

What about the United Australia Party?

Urinated Australia Party wasnt a political party, it was a vanity project for a sheltered rich man, they got no votes.

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... e342459692

Labor provided a full range of policies to Australians, from electric car targets, to climate change policy, to cracking down on franking credits.

Labor couldn’t be accused of lacking vision for the country, regardless of one’s personal views on their individual policies.

Mr Shorten took an ambitious raft of reforms to the electorate, from taxation to healthcare, but that could’ve been his downfall.

Franking credits. Negative gearing. Top bracket tax. Climate change.

On their own, just one of those contentious and big-ticket policies would’ve been difficult to explain to voters and justify.