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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:The apparent change in human consciousness during the Axial Age may be explained by needing to address more permanent settlements. The developed "I" and all the philosophizing that pops up from China to the Mediterranean in our physical artifacts - the caveat remains that when it comes to reconstructing the past as omniscient outside observers, we know nothin' about nothing.

so the Axial Age was the puberty stage of mankind... and we are no longer members of the He-Man Woman Haters Club?

https://www.google.com/search?q=He-Man+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

Simple Minded wrote:

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:The apparent change in human consciousness during the Axial Age may be explained by needing to address more permanent settlements. The developed "I" and all the philosophizing that pops up from China to the Mediterranean in our physical artifacts - the caveat remains that when it comes to reconstructing the past as omniscient outside observers, we know nothin' about nothing.

so the Axial Age was the puberty stage of mankind... and we are no longer members of the He-Man Woman Haters Club?

https://www.google.com/search?q=He-Man+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

I'm sayin' contrary to opinions, we've always been adolescents. We've simply developed better technologies to broadcast it through the ages.

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:

Simple Minded wrote:

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:The apparent change in human consciousness during the Axial Age may be explained by needing to address more permanent settlements. The developed "I" and all the philosophizing that pops up from China to the Mediterranean in our physical artifacts - the caveat remains that when it comes to reconstructing the past as omniscient outside observers, we know nothin' about nothing.

so the Axial Age was the puberty stage of mankind... and we are no longer members of the He-Man Woman Haters Club?

https://www.google.com/search?q=He-Man+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

I'm sayin' contrary to opinions, we've always been adolescents. We've simply developed better technologies to broadcast it through the ages.

it seems mostly obvious that shifting from the hunter gatherer, wolf pack type lifestyle to a settled farming one needs different social systems and rules.

the chicken and egg on all that is probably going to be a hotbed of opinions - last i read it was drought that rewarded the more settled types who knew how to manage the grain crops but i have no idea how factual that claim was.

noddy wrote:

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:

Simple Minded wrote:

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:The apparent change in human consciousness during the Axial Age may be explained by needing to address more permanent settlements. The developed "I" and all the philosophizing that pops up from China to the Mediterranean in our physical artifacts - the caveat remains that when it comes to reconstructing the past as omniscient outside observers, we know nothin' about nothing.

so the Axial Age was the puberty stage of mankind... and we are no longer members of the He-Man Woman Haters Club?

https://www.google.com/search?q=He-Man+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

I'm sayin' contrary to opinions, we've always been adolescents. We've simply developed better technologies to broadcast it through the ages.

it seems mostly obvious that shifting from the hunter gatherer, wolf pack type lifestyle to a settled farming one needs different social systems and rules.

the chicken and egg on all that is probably going to be a hotbed of opinions - last i read it was drought that rewarded the more settled types who knew how to manage the grain crops but i have no idea how factual that claim was.

It's like the idea of giants.

The (allegedly) earlier sources on giants seem to refer figuratively to "great men" whose legacies overshadow/stand out amongst dead ancestors and influence living communities. Roughly of the same antiquity is the implication that giants (or their descendants) are literally wild men who constantly are at battle and cannibalistic. Like in archaic greek accounts, there are tribes/ethnicities/nations which are claimed to descend from those giants. Then there is King David's encounter with a "giant", who unlike the King James translation, was a very big, but very human, 6'7"; so it reads like a very mundane use of metaphorical language. It is later into the axial age that giants turn into monsters with a bizarre physiology of having snakes for legs, become conflated with the mythological titans, become 10"+ men who bestride the earth......

I don't think it entirely unreasonable to surmise that the earlier accounts of giants correspond to actual folklore and genealogies around hunter-gather encounters. We know that hunter-gatherers lasted in Europe well into archaic Greek times and that this transition in Europe from the original hunter-gatherers by unrelated farmers from the Levant was a process that lasted into the late Neolithic.

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
become 10"+ men who bestride the earth......

Freudian typo, porn stars, micro-human aggression.....

Simple Minded wrote:

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
become 10"+ men who bestride the earth......

Freudian typo, porn stars, micro-human aggression.....

what? you've never seen a 10" slip-of-the-pen before?

i've got to get a mulligan on this one, dude, I'm lagging

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:

Simple Minded wrote:

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
become 10"+ men who bestride the earth......

Freudian typo, porn stars, micro-human aggression.....

what? you've never seen a 10" slip-of-the-pen before?

i've got to get a mulligan on this one, dude, I'm lagging

take a couple days off dude, you've earned it!