noddy wrote:
my view of scientism is far narrower than being atheist, or arguing for atheism, if thats the only criteria, then the conversation is pretty much a waste of time.
lumping all the atheists is like lumping all the religions, vaguely useful for a crude outsiders prejudice but hardly detailed enough for a sustained thought.
rigorous, specific standards? theists, atheists, magicians, comic book aficionados, computer geeks, scientists, scientismists.......
With the possible exceptions of whites and blacks, the only lumps we have not covered is heretics!
I think non-lumpers are heretics! nobody wants the non-lumpers in their tent.
What is this "sustained thought" stuff that you are advocating? Is that some type of new wacko fringe type religion? Good luck selling that in cyber-space....