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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

The story with Weinstein is interesting from many angels .. political, sexual and social

If Weinstein wanted sex, he could have phoned and have the most beautiful girls come as "escorts" and have any kind of sex he wanted, L.A. full of those girls (many highly sophisticated, students in top universities).

But, Weinstein was not a f*cker, he wanted to "show off" his power, enjoyed humiliating those who he had power upon in his industry, he wanted to prove "to himself" he GOD in industry.

If a man sees a beautiful girl and would like to have sex with her, one starts with flirting, courtship, leading things to that direction, and, hope she too would look for that.

But, a girl coming for a business meeting, asking her up to your Hotel room, coming out of bathroom in bathrobe and promptly asking for a BJ it's pure show of power over the lady, ZERO to do with sex.

That phenomena is main reason for most of "rapist" .. raping is not about sex, but power over the victim

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

The story with Weinstein is interesting from many angels .. political, sexual and social

If Weinstein wanted sex, he could have phoned and have the most beautiful girls come as "escorts" and have any kind of sex he wanted, L.A. full of those girls (many highly sophisticated, students in top universities).

But, Weinstein was not a f*cker, he wanted to "show off" his power, enjoyed humiliating those who he had power upon in his industry, he wanted to prove "to himself" he GOD in industry.

If a man sees a beautiful girl and would like to have sex with her, one starts with flirting, courtship, leading things to that direction, and, hope she too would look for that.

But, a girl coming for a business meeting, asking her up to your Hotel room, coming out of bathroom in bathrobe and promptly asking for a BJ it's pure show of power over the lady, ZERO to do with sex.

That phenomena is main reason for most of "rapist" .. raping is not about sex, but power over the victim

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Parodite wrote:I thought that rape and sexual assault (other? I ma nota laywer) are rather well defined behaviors in criminal law. What is missing?

If however a 18+ woman plays along and doesn't simply walk out of the room.. why blame they guy? It sounds like many women at the time did a calc: play along a not-so-nice-even-nasty game but have career rewards. And: most settled for a price: OK I won't tell anybody if you give me 150.000 dollars. Fair enough but then don't complain and blame Weinsting. Those silent women who settled for money were acting like whores, or even pimping the power-sex addict guy. But nothing of that is criminal either; just adults doing consensual business.

Rape and sexual assault are an entirely different matter. Maybe he raped... but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Parodite wrote:I thought that rape and sexual assault (other? I ma nota laywer) are rather well defined behaviors in criminal law. What is missing?

If however a 18+ woman plays along and doesn't simply walk out of the room.. why blame they guy? It sounds like many women at the time did a calc: play along a not-so-nice-even-nasty game but have career rewards. And: most settled for a price: OK I won't tell anybody if you give me 150.000 dollars. Fair enough but then don't complain and blame Weinsting. Those silent women who settled for money were acting like whores, or even pimping the power-sex addict guy. But nothing of that is criminal either; just adults doing consensual business.

Rape and sexual assault are an entirely different matter. Maybe he raped... but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Let's not forget that it happens to men (and boys) too.

Parodite wrote:I thought that rape and sexual assault (other? I ma nota laywer) are rather well defined behaviors in criminal law. What is missing?

If however a 18+ woman plays along and doesn't simply walk out of the room.. why blame they guy? It sounds like many women at the time did a calc: play along a not-so-nice-even-nasty game but have career rewards. And: most settled for a price: OK I won't tell anybody if you give me 150.000 dollars. Fair enough but then don't complain and blame Weinsting. Those silent women who settled for money were acting like whores, or even pimping the power-sex addict guy. But nothing of that is criminal either; just adults doing consensual business.

Rape and sexual assault are an entirely different matter. Maybe he raped... but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Weinstein’s Company Profited Up To $1 Million Per Each Sexual Harassment Claim Against Harvey
Posted on October 12, 2017 by admin

Documentary Filmmaker Says Harvey Weinstein Is Just the Beginning

Mr. Perfect wrote:This is the soul of liberalism on display.

This is the ideology of abortion, LGBTQXYZ, NAMBLA, Antifa, atheism*, cultural marxism, hedonism and moral relativism in full flower.

Wikiped. Louis B. Mayer was a staunch conservative, at one time the chairman of California's Republican party.

Mr. Perfect wrote:Wow. I had no idea you weren't following the story.

noddy wrote:he showed the world the seriousness of the crime of being poor and irrelevant.

Of the nine films nominated for best picture at the 2017 Academy Awards, only two unequivocally passed the Bechdel test, an evaluation, devised by Alison Bechdel and Liz Wallace, that requires a film to include two named female characters who must talk to each other about something other than a man. One was Arrival, which barely counts as the second female character, her daughter, is only named at the end. The other, Hidden Figures, is a biopic about black female mathematicians instrumental to the space programme in the 1960s. Did you see it? Probably not.

Meanwhile, sexually graphic content and scenes of sexual violence have become so prevalent we barely even notice it any more, let alone feel any outrage. Film is bad, but so is television — currently being trumpeted as inhabiting a golden age and funded with huge studio investments. I barely batted an eye while watching Westworld, in which men pay for the privilege of raping and shooting prostitute androids as a means to satisfy their most basic carnal desires. Game of Thrones sees women raped with each series. The new David Simon series, The Deuce, which describes the birth of the pornography industry in New York is produced and directed by women, but has so far essayed a mean cavalcade of female suffering. The shows have been hailed for their exploration of the psyche, their female performances hailed as brave. But for too many actresses a “brave” performance just means ripping off one’s bra.

That the Weinstein narrative has unfolded against the more general debasement of our screen culture cannot be coincidence — it’s a culture that, until last week, was being greenlit, produced and promoted by Weinstein. And yes, he is only one predator. And his predatory attitude may be extreme but it’s an expression of a more general misogyny in the entertainment industry — even though it now dresses it up as progressive. Weinstein may be gone, but female actors, scriptwriters and assistants are still being violated. Until the script changes we’re all complicit in the abuse.

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