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Heracleum Persicum wrote:
It’s not dying
but alarm bells are ringing.

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In late 2016, shortly after the U.S. presidential election, two Harvard political scientists posed a bleak question in The New York Times:“ Is Donald Trump a Threat to Democracy ? ” Now they’re out with an even more bleakly titled book — How Democracies Die — that seeks to answer that question by drawing on a year’s worth of evidence.
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Given the significance of this issue, it is absolutely true that the memo should be declassified and released to the public — and not just the memo itself. The House Intelligence Committee generally and Nunes specifically have a history of making unreliable and untrue claims (its report about Edward Snowden was full of falsehoods, as Bart Gellman amply documented, and prior claims from Nunes about “unmasking” have been discredited). Thus, mere assertions from Nunes — or anyone else — are largely worthless; Republicans should provide American citizens not merely with the memo they claim reveals pervasive criminality and abuse of power, but also with all of the evidence underlying its conclusions.
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Parodite wrote:Republicans Have Four Easy Ways to #ReleaseTheMemo — and the Evidence for It. Not Doing So Will Prove Them to Be Shameless Frauds.

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Given the significance of this issue, it is absolutely true that the memo should be declassified and released to the public — and not just the memo itself. The House Intelligence Committee generally and Nunes specifically have a history of making unreliable and untrue claims (its report about Edward Snowden was full of falsehoods, as Bart Gellman amply documented, and prior claims from Nunes about “unmasking” have been discredited). Thus, mere assertions from Nunes — or anyone else — are largely worthless; Republicans should provide American citizens not merely with the memo they claim reveals pervasive criminality and abuse of power, but also with all of the evidence underlying its conclusions.
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It is possible this memo is sort of a half nothing-burger. Also Ben Shapiro and Scott Adams point this out. Russia-gate might be nearing its expiration date with indictments on the horizon against democratic foul players, but Republicans creating a nothing-burger themselves could wipe out their advantage that was given them for free.

Trump can't wait too long releasing the memo; more importantly, deliver the evidence or at least very probably cause. Assuming he has seen solid evidence it could be he is choosing his moment and wants to wait for the right moment to deliver a lethal uppercut, for instance close to the midterm elections.

I fear however the nothing-/fake-burger: it seems to be the DC kitchen's specialty. Sometimes facts and evidence beat the most skilled persuasion.

The nation’s first naturalization law, from 1790, closed off United States citizenship to all but “free white persons of good character.”

People of African descent were among the first migrants singled out for surveillance and exclusion, as they sought entry to the country or moved between states. State repression of black migrants transformed them into America’s first “illegal immigrants,” laying the groundwork for durable associations between law, morality and the need to keep people of color, quite literally, in their “place.”

A recent Gallup poll shows that worldwide approval of China’s global leadership role has surpassed the same rating for the US.

The difference, while small, suggests a trend that the two great powers are heading in opposite directions in terms of global approval. China is moving up and the US down.

That the US’ approval rating is down can be directly attributed to President Trump’s ‘America first’ — and to hell with everybody else —approach.

It’s no surprise that neighbouring Canada and Mexico, which perhaps know the country best, show the biggest slides in approval of the US.

Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


Can Trump’s America reverse
worldwide disapproval ?

A recent Gallup poll shows that worldwide approval of China’s global leadership role has surpassed the same rating for the US.

The difference, while small, suggests a trend that the two great powers are heading in opposite directions in terms of global approval. China is moving up and the US down.

That the US’ approval rating is down can be directly attributed to President Trump’s ‘America first’ — and to hell with everybody else —approach.

It’s no surprise that neighbouring Canada and Mexico, which perhaps know the country best, show the biggest slides in approval of the US.

SM, long time no talk


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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


This for sure belongs here in stable genius Trump thread


NYT
Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Racism an American Tradition

The nation’s first naturalization law, from 1790, closed off United States citizenship to all but “free white persons of good character.”

People of African descent were among the first migrants singled out for surveillance and exclusion, as they sought entry to the country or moved between states. State repression of black migrants transformed them into America’s first “illegal immigrants,” laying the groundwork for durable associations between law, morality and the need to keep people of color, quite literally, in their “place.”

"noddy", Australia, was, STILL IS, a whole lot worst than our beloved U.S. of A.




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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Didn't know posting NYT or ATOL articles is Anti America propaganda

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Simple Minded wrote:

Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


Can Trump’s America reverse
worldwide disapproval ?

A recent Gallup poll shows that worldwide approval of China’s global leadership role has surpassed the same rating for the US.

The difference, while small, suggests a trend that the two great powers are heading in opposite directions in terms of global approval. China is moving up and the US down.

That the US’ approval rating is down can be directly attributed to President Trump’s ‘America first’ — and to hell with everybody else —approach.

It’s no surprise that neighbouring Canada and Mexico, which perhaps know the country best, show the biggest slides in approval of the US.

SM, long time no talk


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Why would the US want to reverse Canadian or Mexican dis-approval of US?

Typhoon wrote:

Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Didn't know posting NYT or ATOL articles is Anti America propaganda

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The people who write op-ed articles for the NYT generally live lives highly insulated from 99% of the USA.
If their interests and goals intersect, then it is more by accident than design.

Someone such as, say, Nicholas Kristof is no Studs Terkel.

noddy wrote:one of the glorious first steps america can learn from iran is getting rid of racism by banning kids from learning foreigner languages - only racists learn about other countries .

http://www.dw.com/en/iran-bans-english- ... a-42057485

Simple Minded wrote:.

Why would the US want to reverse Canadian or Mexican dis-approval of US?

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Typhoon wrote:.

Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Didn't know posting NYT or ATOL articles is Anti America propaganda

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The people who write op-ed articles for the NYT generally live lives highly insulated from 99% of the USA.

If their interests and goals intersect, then it is more by accident than design.

Someone such as, say, Nicholas Kristof is no Studs Terkel.

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noddy wrote:.

one of the glorious first steps america can learn from iran is getting rid of racism by banning kids from learning foreigner languages - only racists learn about other countries .

http://www.dw.com/en/iran-bans-english- ... a-42057485

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Simple Minded wrote:.

Why would the US want to reverse Canadian or Mexican dis-approval of US?

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Pls have a look @ linked


Gallup poll
World's Approval of U.S. Leadership Drops to New Low

Issue not Canada or Mexico, issue WORLD's approval .. that weakens US presidents hands worldwide .. what has Trump now to say in Davos when world does not accept his leadership, how can Trump gather "coalitions" in UN or in Europe or worldwide for anything US advocates.

Typhoon wrote:.

Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Didn't know posting NYT or ATOL articles is Anti America propaganda

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The people who write op-ed articles for the NYT generally live lives highly insulated from 99% of the USA.

If their interests and goals intersect, then it is more by accident than design.

Someone such as, say, Nicholas Kristof is no Studs Terkel.

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A bit confused .. you mean this NYT article just the author's personal biased opinion, meaning the facts in article rubbish ? ?

Look, the facts in that article are beyond debate, Martin Luther King day just days ago .. even Irish and Jewish were nono just yrs ago.

Americans don't deny all this, they sorry and have passed many laws to straighten things .. but know, the rust coming beneath the shiny paint.

noddy wrote:.

one of the glorious first steps america can learn from iran is getting rid of racism by banning kids from learning foreigner languages - only racists learn about other countries .

http://www.dw.com/en/iran-bans-english- ... a-42057485

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True , mad mullahs bad guys, stopping public schools curriculum for 8 yr old kids learning English (French is OK ) .. really bad

But, real tragedy is, wealthiest nation on planet : 32 Million U.S. Adults are " Functionally Illiterate "


"noddy", forget Americans learning a 2nd language, at least they should learn English


Folks, sweeping under the carpet the issues in the above 2 posts from NYT and ATOL counterproductive

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Simple Minded wrote:.

You really should run for POTUS. Your insights are incredible..

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noddy wrote:dont mind me, i just enjoy the reverse half backflip triple somersault logic every now and then.

id never be mad enough to argue against the decrepit corruption of the anglosphere and the inherit superiority of greater persia, ive learnt that lesson well.

Nonc Hilaire wrote:Azari for POTATOLLAH! No more disasters for Joe!

Simple Minded wrote:.

If only Joe weren't so stupid, you could fix him! Meaning repair, not neuter..... but either one works.

IN-POTATOLLAH-SHALLAH !

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The move will most likely raise the price of solar panels and washing machines in coming years and yet may not even lead to many more jobs. That outcome might sound paradoxical, but analysts say it’s due to changes underway in both industries well before Mr. Trump took office.

Tariffs will not be high enough to create new manufacturing jobs because the cost of production in countries like Malaysia and South Korea will remain significantly lower than in the United States. Also, American factories would probably be highly automated and require far fewer workers. Meanwhile, the higher tariffs — and thus higher prices — for solar cells and panels will reduce demand from residential customers, businesses and utilities. That will hurt American businesses that install panels and produce equipment used in solar systems. The Solar Energy Industries Association estimates that the tariffs could cost that industry 23,000 jobs.

Whirlpool, which sells more washing machines in the United States than any other company, says that the Trump administration’s decision, which will apply tariffs to imports from most countries, will lead to the creation of 200 jobs at a factory in Ohio, in anticipation of increased sales. But foreign appliance manufacturers like Samsung and LG have already built or are building factories for washing machines in the United States. So any advantage Whirlpool might enjoy could fade away as a new Samsung factory in South Carolina and an LG factory under construction in Tennessee begin churning out machines, creating more competition.