The Great Reset

[Doc]

The world's "id"-iot elite classes want to permanently rig the game

Powerful individuals, groups and large global organisations are at the forefront of a plan labeled ‘The Great Reset’ which intends to use the fear generated by the coronavirus to reshape the world and achieve net zero emissions says Sky News host Rowan Dean.

“The Australian taxpayer spends a fortune sending top politicians and public servants year in year out in luxury style to attend the World Economic Forum in Davos to help map out global economic structures”.

However, Mr Dean pointed out behind its lavish exterior the World Economic Forum is working with the UN, IMF and other high-profile globalist organisations to introduce online activist movements and compliant local and national governments through a vast network of connected corporations.

“It is a global commitment they have made to use the panic and fear generated by the corona virus as a means to reshape all our economies and laws and move to a new form of capitalism that focusses on net zero emissions”.

“To use all the tools of COVID to tackle climate change”.

Mr Dean said “if implemented successfully, The Great Reset will undeniably and deliberately have extreme and possibly dire repercussions”.

“‘You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy’ is just one of their marketing slogans,” he said.

“The plan involves replacing shareholders of big companies with stakeholders, who happen to be left-wing bureaucrats and climate change zealots. Replacing Mum and Dad small businesses and private enterprises with big tech and big business”.

“Remember, it's not only a great reset, it's a great deception.”

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[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

Another view of the Great Reset or when your harshest critics are assumedly on your side. A post-modern Marxist deconstructs Kamala Harris and uses a liberal historian who's been dead a while to do it:

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[noddy]

variations on this are garunteed no matter who is in charge.

with westerners getting 100 times the goodies of some other folks, its either war and slaughter or a levelling out of the distribution.

face it, we saw peak lifestyle and Malthus was right.

all the people that say Malthus is wrong dont consider the difference between us living in a one room apartment on a bowl of rice or living on an acres with chooks and a dog.

[Doc]

variations on this are garunteed no matter who is in charge.

with westerners getting 100 times the goodies of some other folks, its either war and slaughter or a levelling out of the distribution.

face it, we saw peak lifestyle and Malthus was right.

all the people that say Malthus is wrong dont consider the difference between us living in a one room apartment on a bowl of rice or living on an acres with chooks and a dog.

My grandparents had six kids. They were dirt poor after the depression hit.My grandfather raised chichens and sold eggs Every Sunday my grandmother baked a cake. Rather than have the kids fight over who got the biggest piece the oldest would cut the cake but get the last choice of which piece was his.I guess that would be called nuclear family socialism

[noddy]

variations on this are garunteed no matter who is in charge.

with westerners getting 100 times the goodies of some other folks, its either war and slaughter or a levelling out of the distribution.

face it, we saw peak lifestyle and Malthus was right.

all the people that say Malthus is wrong dont consider the difference between us living in a one room apartment on a bowl of rice or living on an acres with chooks and a dog.

My grandparents had six kids. They were dirt poor after the depression hit.My grandfather raised chichens and sold eggs Every Sunday my grandmother baked a cake. Rather than have the kids fight over who got the biggest piece the oldest would cut the cake but get the last choice of which piece was his.I guess that would be called nuclear family socialism

makes him a wokeling - localvore.

https://www.fairharvest.com.au/localvore/

not all the wokelings are city folks in apartments, their is a rural version with different priorities.

[Doc]

variations on this are garunteed no matter who is in charge.

with westerners getting 100 times the goodies of some other folks, its either war and slaughter or a levelling out of the distribution.

face it, we saw peak lifestyle and Malthus was right.

all the people that say Malthus is wrong dont consider the difference between us living in a one room apartment on a bowl of rice or living on an acres with chooks and a dog.

My grandparents had six kids. They were dirt poor after the depression hit.My grandfather raised chickens and sold eggs Every Sunday my grandmother baked a cake. Rather than have the kids fight over who got the biggest piece the oldest would cut the cake but get the last choice of which piece was his.I guess that would be called nuclear family socialism

makes him a wokeling - localvore.

https://www.fairharvest.com.au/localvore/

not all the wokelings are city folks in apartments, their is a rural version with different priorities.

Something like that He graduated college in 1911. I never met him as he died some years before I was born. Nut my father more or less said my grandfather was a globalist that supported FDR and the original income tax. He even spoke Esperanto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

Before he started raising chickens before the great depression he sold radio kits on credit When the depression hit it wiped him out. Though he still managed to put all of his kids through college

[Doc]

World Economic Forum DELETES Video On The Great Reset That Says "You'll Own NOTHING" After Backlash

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[Doc]

https://summit.news/2020/11/20/john-ker ... -populism/

John Kerry Says Great Reset is Needed to Stop Rise of Populism

Says rejoining Paris Climate Agreement is “not enough.”

Published 1 min ago

on 20 November, 2020

Paul Joseph Watson
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Former Secretary of State John Kerry attended a panel discussion at the World Economic Forum during which he asserted that a great reset was urgently needed to stop the rise of populism.

Kerry vowed that under a Biden administration, America would rejoin the job-killing Paris Climate Agreement but that this was “not enough.”

“The notion of a reset is more important than ever before,” Kerry said. “I personally believe … we’re at the dawn of an extremely exciting time.”

The former Senator made it clear that this “reset,” which is merely a re-branding of the same new world order that has faced stiff resistance for the past two decades, is necessary to extinguish populism.

“I think Europe has to look at that with Brexit and the rising national populism — nationalistic populism,” said Kerry. “Which is really one of the priorities that we all have to address. You can’t dismiss it.”

Speaking about how Trump increased his vote in 2020, Kerry noted, “What astounds me is that as many people still voted for the level of chaos and breach of law and order and breaking the standards and … I think that, the underlying reason for that is something that everybody has to examine.”

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen also welcomed the prospect of Biden as a “friend in the White House” to the globalists and said the two entities would work on “a new rulebook for the digital economy and the digital society.”

“The need for global cooperation and this acceleration of change will both be drivers of the Great Reset. And I see this as an unprecedented opportunity,” said von der Leyen.

As we have exhaustively documented, “The Great Reset” is merely the latest incarnation of the agenda to centralize power into the hands of a tiny elite, disenfranchising Americans, lowering their living standards and forcing them to submit to a social credit score system that will eliminate all privacy and personal autonomy.

As we reported yesterday, legacy media outlets like the New York Times are still claiming the “Great Reset” is a “conspiracy theory” even as world leaders openly announce it.

[Doc]

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy

Ok so the Billionaires of the global elite are going to give up all their money ?

Or how the global elite wants to enslave everyone else via debt poverty.

An explanation of what this means:

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[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

It occurred to me that those who would rule us are rather stupid and we should be thankful for that. That their urge to meddle exceeds their grasp for power. If they had any sense, when the COVID hit upon our shores, they should've kept quiet like a mouse peeing on cotton. Let the crisis unfold. Any criticism directed at their quarter could be met with, "but we trusted the people to use their best judgement in these affairs" - and who would criticise that? Let the people ask or demand authority to do something and THEN come forward with the lockdowns, mask mandates and trade restrictions. THEN declare an emergency to shut down the economy, block movement and trample on personal rights. Come on hard and fast and when the people complain about the excessive use of force, remind them they suggested it......

All it takes is cunning, patience and a certain disregard for life....'>.........

[Doc]

It occurred to me that those who would rule us are rather stupid and we should be thankful for that. That their urge to meddle exceeds their grasp for power. If they had any sense, when the COVID hit upon our shores, they should've kept quiet like a mouse peeing on cotton. Let the crisis unfold. Any criticism directed at their quarter could be met with, "but we trusted the people to use their best judgement in these affairs" - and who would criticise that? Let the people ask or demand authority to do something and THEN come forward with the lockdowns, mask mandates and trade restrictions. THEN declare an emergency to shut down the economy, block movement and trample on personal rights. Come on hard and fast and when the people complain about the excessive use of force, remind them they suggested it......

All it takes is cunning, patience and a certain disregard for life....'>.........

They are narcissists. They have to take their place as the people that know what is best to do with the lives of all others. After all in their own eyes they are the smartest people on the planet.

[Simple Minded]

It occurred to me that those who would rule us are rather stupid and we should be thankful for that. That their urge to meddle exceeds their grasp for power. If they had any sense, when the COVID hit upon our shores, they should've kept quiet like a mouse peeing on cotton. Let the crisis unfold. Any criticism directed at their quarter could be met with, "but we trusted the people to use their best judgement in these affairs" - and who would criticise that? Let the people ask or demand authority to do something and THEN come forward with the lockdowns, mask mandates and trade restrictions. THEN declare an emergency to shut down the economy, block movement and trample on personal rights. Come on hard and fast and when the people complain about the excessive use of force, remind them they suggested it......

All it takes is cunning, patience and a certain disregard for life....'>.........

Agreed. Just the other day I heard a talking head say something similar. "Trump is not a fiscal conservative. Debt does not bother him. Imagine what would have happened if the Democrats actually decided to work with him. There is no telling what he would have approved."

[Doc]

Is the motive behind the great reset for the billionaire elites desire for their prolonged life on the planet?

With (self)limited resources where they do not have total control over everything? "You will own nothing ,and you will be happy, or you will starve" Because you won't be able to grow your own food.

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Meanwhile the durian Elite billionaires believe they are going to live a very long time.

(Stick with it as Brand takes a while to get to the point)

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[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

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Mother of God. I need more eye bleach.....><'.......

[Doc]

Mother of God. I need more eye bleach.....><'.......

I wonder if Biden will become a real president...


This is from a Russian Web site So reader beware.

https://katehon.com/en/article/manifest ... reat-reset

The Manifesto of Great Awakening. Against Great Reset.

03.03.2021
Alexander Dugin
The "Great Reset" begins with Biden's victory.
Part 1. Great Reset
Prince Charles's 5 points

In 2020, at the forum in Davos, the forum’s founder Klaus Schwab and Charles, the Prince of Wales, proclaimed a new course for humanity, the Great Reset.

The plan, according to the Prince of Wales, consists of five points:

To capture the imagination and will of humanity – change will only happen if people really want it;
The economic recovery must put the world on the path to sustainable employment, livelihoods and growth. Longstanding incentive structures that have had perverse effects on our planetary environment and nature herself must be reinvented;
Systems and pathways must be redesigned to advance net zero transitions globally. Carbon pricing can provide a critical pathway to a sustainable market;
Science, technology and innovation need reinvigorating. Humanity is on the verge of catalytic breakthroughs that will alter our view of what it possible and profitable in the framework of a sustainable future;
Investment must be rebalanced. Accelerating green investments can offer job opportunities in green energy, the circular and bio-economy, eco-tourism and green public infrastructure.

The term "sustainable" is a part of the most important concept of the Club of Rome - "sustainable development". This theory is based on yet another theory - the "limits of growth", according to which the overpopulation of the planet has reached a critical point (which implies the need to reduce the birth rate).

The fact that the word "sustainable" is used in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic, which, according to some analysts, should lead to population decline, has caused a significant reaction globally.

The main points of the Great Reset are:

-the control over public consciousness on a global scale, which is at the heart of "cancel culture" -the introduction of censorship on networks controlled by the globalists (point 1);

-Transition to an ecological economy and rejection of modern industrial structures (points 2 and 5);

-Humanity's entry into the 4th economic order (to which the previous Davos meeting was devoted), i.e. the gradual replacement of the workforce by cyborgs and implementation of advanced Artificial Intelligence on a global scale (point 3).

The main idea of the "Great Reset" is the continuation of globalization and the strengthening of globalism after a series of failures: the conservative presidency of anti-globalist Trump, the growing influence of a multipolar world – especially of China and Russia, the rise of Islamic countries like Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and their withdrawal from the influence of the West.

At the Davos forum, representatives of the global liberal elites declared the mobilization of their structures in anticipation of Biden’s presidency and the victory of the democrats in the USA, something they strongly desire.

Implementation

The marker of the globalist agenda is the Jeff Smith song "Build Back Better" (Joe Biden's campaign slogan). Meaning that after a series of setbacks (such as a typhoon or Hurricane Katrina), people (meaning the globalists) build back better infrastructure than they had before.

The "Great Reset" begins with Biden's victory.

World leaders, heads of major corporations - Big Tech, Big Data, Big Finance, etc. - came together and mobilized to defeat their opponents - Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping, Erdogan, Ayatollah Khamenei, and others. The beginning was to snatch victory from Trump using new technologies - through "capturing imaginations" (point 1), the introduction of Internet censorship, and the manipulation of the mail-in vote.

Biden's arrival in the White House means that the globalists are moving on to the next steps.

This will affect all areas of life - the globalists are going back to the point where Trump and other poles of rising multipolarity had stopped them. And this is where mind control (through censorship and manipulation of social media, total surveillance and data collection of everyone) and the introduction of new technologies play a key role.

The Covid-19 epidemic is an excuse for this. Under the guise of sanitary hygiene, the Great Reset expects to dramatically alter the structures of control of the globalist elites over the world's population.

The inauguration of Joe Biden and the decrees he has already signed (overturning virtually all of Trump's decisions) means that the plan has begun to be put into action.

In his speech on the "new" course of U.S. foreign policy, Biden voiced the main directions of globalist policy. It may seem "new", but only in part, and only in comparison with Trump's policies. On the whole, Biden simply announced a return to the previous vector:

Putting global interests ahead of national interests;
Strengthening the structures of World Government and its branches in the form of global supranational organizations and economic structures;
Strengthening the NATO bloc and cooperation with all globalist forces and regimes;
The promotion and deepening of democratic change on a global scale, which in practice means:

escalating relations with those countries and regimes that reject globalization – first of all, Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, etc;
an increased U.S. military presence in the Middle East, Europe and Africa;
the spread of instability and "color revolutions";
Widespread use of "demonization", "de-platforming" and network ostracism (cancel culture) against all those who hold views different from the globalist one (both abroad and in the U.S. itself).

Thus, the new White House leadership not only does not show the slightest willingness to have an equal dialogue with anyone, but only tightens its own liberal discourse, which does not tolerate any objection. Globalism is entering a totalitarian phase. This makes the possibility of new wars - including an increased risk of World War III - more than likely.
The geopolitics of the "Great Reset"

The globalist Foundation for Defence of Democracies, which expresses the position of U.S. neoconservative circles, recently released a report recommending to Biden that some of Trump's positions such as:

increasing opposition to China,
increased pressure on Iran

- are positive, and that Biden should continue to move along these axes in foreign policy.

The report's authors, on the other hand, condemned Trump's foreign policy actions such as:

working to disintegrate NATO;
rapprochement with "totalitarian leaders" (Chinese, DPRK, and Russian);
a "bad" deal with the Taliban;
withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria.

Thus, the "Great Reset" in geopolitics will mean a combination of "democracy promotion" and "neoconservative aggressive strategy of full-scale domination," which is the main vector of "neoconservative" policy. At the same time, Biden is advised to continue and increase the confrontation with Iran and China, but the main focus should be on the fight against Russia. And this requires strengthening NATO and expanding the U.S. presence in the Middle East and Central Asia.

Like Trump, Russia, China, Iran and some other Islamic countries are seen as the main obstacles.

[Zack Morris]

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy

Ok so the Billionaires of the global elite are going to give up all their money ?

Or how the global elite wants to enslave everyone else via debt poverty.

An explanation of what this means:

RkMlS-F7WpA

This is actually right on the money. I don't like it either. But this isn't a ploy by the "global elite", it's the natural trajectory of capitalism: capital (which, as we know thanks to the work of Picketty and others, has an inherent advantage over labor) wants to accumulate more capital by extracting rents.

Every company wants to secure recurring revenue -- "X as a service" -- by enticing consumers to make a one-way transition to a subscription model. Both newly-minted MBAs and corporate VPs understand this and push for it. It's hardly a conspiracy: it's obvious business sense. A VP at a major consumer electronics firm once mentioned to me that a future device might be something consumers lease rather than purchase, guaranteeing permanent upgrades (and, of course, consistent revenue).

Capitalism is the devil and it's funny how conservatives wasted an entire century welcoming it into their homes. Our conception of "natural rights" and governing philosophy is still stuck in the 18th century, well before the quantum leap mankind experienced thanks to the Industrial Revolution and capitalism. Ironically, the most vocal champions of the Bill of Rights are forced to enable this capitalist malfeasance because the Bill of Rights is merely a contract between the people and government that protects the power of private capital. The alternative, a more holistic understanding of rights and the responsibilities of individuals and social institutions, might require dramatic changes to our governing system.

[Zack Morris]

Meanwhile the durian Elite billionaires believe they are going to live a very long time.

Well of course they will. If radical life-extending technology becomes a reality, who do you think will get it first? Maybe you should have thought of that before defending big pharma's right to charge $100k for a Hep-C cure. Maybe cassowary (what ever happened to that fellow?) should have thought of that before suggesting that voting rights be linked to wealth.

Really good to see you slowly coming around to Democratic Socialism. But it's a shame this change of heart didn't come about due to principle. Conservatives are just angry that corporations no longer agree with their retrograde social agenda. Wouldn't be hearing a peep out of you if billionaires and corporations were banning LGBTQ employees, denying contraceptive coverage, and lobbying against abortion.

[Doc]

Meanwhile the durian Elite billionaires believe they are going to live a very long time.

Well of course they will. If radical life-extending technology becomes a reality, who do you think will get it first? Maybe you should have thought of that before defending big pharma's right to charge $100k for a Hep-C cure. Maybe cassowary (what ever happened to that fellow?) should have thought of that before suggesting that voting rights be linked to wealth.

Where and when exactly did you get the idea that I was in favor of "Pig Pharma" On anything? I have always thought them crooks except for Mylan Puskar. Who I knew personally. He is probably rolling in his grave from the way his company is being run today.

https://www.wboy.com/news/monongalia/un ... own-plant/

“As the pandemic made painfully clear, America must be able to supply its own needs. Our facility is one of the last remaining manufacturing sites of generic pharmaceuticals in this country. We cannot allow ourselves to become dependent on foreign supply chains for such a critical good.

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Really good to see you slowly coming around to Democratic Socialism. But it's a shame this change of heart didn't come about due to principle. Conservatives are just angry that corporations no longer agree with their retrograde social agenda. Wouldn't be hearing a peep out of you if billionaires and corporations were banning LGBTQ employees, denying contraceptive coverage, and lobbying against abortion.

Zack honestly you don't know me. You really don't. Did I ever mention after the Pulse nightclub massacre I explained to more than a few gay people how they really needed to buy guns and get properly trained with them for personal protection. As if one or two persons in that club that night had a gun the shooter would most likely be dead BEFORE he could nearly so many as he did. AND YOU SHOULD NOTE as far as the police response to the Pulse Nightclub massacre the police did not enter the building until AFTER THE SHOOTER KILLED EVERYONE HE WAS GOING TO KILL. The same thing with the shooting Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. The first responding police did not enter the building. It wasn't until another department minutes later and how knows how many more dead before police showed up that were willing to do their duty.

AS for denying contraception I don't know anyone that actively does that. And for Abortion I object to it on the grounds that it is negative eugenics advertised as something else. Given the original idea that it was an American Progressive solution to "too many undesirable" foreigners and black people, you should be objecting to it on those grounds as well.

[noddy]

generally speaking - lots of the no ownership model does make sense.

most movies are pretty shite, I dont lose anything not owning them, ill never watch them again, ditto music and games and tv shows and the rest of the media, $10 a month to get the latest all the time is largely pro consumer.

cars and electronics are more interesing - the line in the sand over the lack of user servicability is actually quite blurry and open to plausable deniability.

eg: for phones, the lack of replacable parts is also the pocket sized sealed unit which is largely waterproof

modern cars are full of computers to make them more efficient and safer, which means they are also impossible to fully service in your shed.

obviously you can make both of those things *more* user owned and servicable so that it lasts longer and doesnt need constant drip feeds of money but its not going back to the old days of engines you can build on your lathe from first principles or large computers with dip chips and pluggable , replacable components.

for city dwellers in strata controlled apartments ownership is either impossible or irrelevant - you dont really own jackshit and you have no say in most things anyway.

home ownership for under 40's in my country has dropped from 60% (a comfy magority) to 40% (a minority) over the last 40 years.

this isnt conspiracy, this is reality, their is nothing to protect, it died ages ago. modern kids cant even tell what the babble is about.

[Simple Minded]

generally speaking - lots of the no ownership model does make sense.

most movies are pretty shite, I dont lose anything not owning them, ill never watch them again, ditto music and games and tv shows and the rest of the media, $10 a month to get the latest all the time is largely pro consumer.

cars and electronics are more interesing - the line in the sand over the lack of user servicability is actually quite blurry and open to plausable deniability.

eg: for phones, the lack of replacable parts is also the pocket sized sealed unit which is largely waterproof

modern cars are full of computers to make them more efficient and safer, which means they are also impossible to fully service in your shed.

obviously you can make both of those things *more* user owned and servicable so that it lasts longer and doesnt need constant drip feeds of money but its not going back to the old days of engines you can build on your lathe from first principles or large computers with dip chips and pluggable , replacable components.

for city dwellers in strata controlled apartments ownership is either impossible or irrelevant - you dont really own jackshit and you have no say in most things anyway.

home ownership for under 40's in my country has dropped from 60% (a comfy magority) to 40% (a minority) over the last 40 years.

this isnt conspiracy, this is reality, their is nothing to protect, it died ages ago. modern kids cant even tell what the babble is about.

Very well said. For those not old enough to remember the "good ole days" there really is no point in discussing. Books vs. ebooks is a great example.

How many can even remember when one used to own a copy of software.

Mechanical type forums (car, motorcycle, etc.) are a great example. You can always tell when the poster is above age 50 by the material they post.

In a lot of cases, "leasing" will be market driven by consumers.

[Doc]

generally speaking - lots of the no ownership model does make sense.

most movies are pretty shite, I dont lose anything not owning them, ill never watch them again, ditto music and games and tv shows and the rest of the media, $10 a month to get the latest all the time is largely pro consumer.

cars and electronics are more interesing - the line in the sand over the lack of user servicability is actually quite blurry and open to plausable deniability.

eg: for phones, the lack of replacable parts is also the pocket sized sealed unit which is largely waterproof

modern cars are full of computers to make them more efficient and safer, which means they are also impossible to fully service in your shed.

obviously you can make both of those things *more* user owned and servicable so that it lasts longer and doesnt need constant drip feeds of money but its not going back to the old days of engines you can build on your lathe from first principles or large computers with dip chips and pluggable , replacable components.

for city dwellers in strata controlled apartments ownership is either impossible or irrelevant - you dont really own jackshit and you have no say in most things anyway.

home ownership for under 40's in my country has dropped from 60% (a comfy magority) to 40% (a minority) over the last 40 years.

this isnt conspiracy, this is reality, their is nothing to protect, it died ages ago. modern kids cant even tell what the babble is about.

Microsoft has a "new" section in their TOS It says that since you are "leasing" the operating system that if they decide to no longer support it you are obligated to stop using it at that point. So one is sold a computer that is no longer function when Microsoft tells you it is no longer functional. Just watch MS is going to put a kill switch in its OS's in the near future.

[Doc]

generally speaking - lots of the no ownership model does make sense.

most movies are pretty shite, I dont lose anything not owning them, ill never watch them again, ditto music and games and tv shows and the rest of the media, $10 a month to get the latest all the time is largely pro consumer.

cars and electronics are more interesing - the line in the sand over the lack of user servicability is actually quite blurry and open to plausable deniability.

eg: for phones, the lack of replacable parts is also the pocket sized sealed unit which is largely waterproof

modern cars are full of computers to make them more efficient and safer, which means they are also impossible to fully service in your shed.

obviously you can make both of those things *more* user owned and servicable so that it lasts longer and doesnt need constant drip feeds of money but its not going back to the old days of engines you can build on your lathe from first principles or large computers with dip chips and pluggable , replacable components.

for city dwellers in strata controlled apartments ownership is either impossible or irrelevant - you dont really own jackshit and you have no say in most things anyway.

home ownership for under 40's in my country has dropped from 60% (a comfy magority) to 40% (a minority) over the last 40 years.

this isnt conspiracy, this is reality, their is nothing to protect, it died ages ago. modern kids cant even tell what the babble is about.

Very well said. For those not old enough to remember the "good ole days" there really is no point in discussing. Books vs. ebooks is a great example.

How many can even remember when one used to own a copy of software.

Mechanical type forums (car, motorcycle, etc.) are a great example. You can always tell when the poster is above age 50 by the material they post.

In a lot of cases, "leasing" will be market driven by consumers.

I love the smell of burning punch cards in the morning after finals. Carrying around those long heavy boxes of cards all semester. Then feeding them into a card reader carefully so as not to drop them. With those cheap $50 a minute processor times, you didn't even have to buy the computer up front. They even threw in the cards and print out paper for free !! I owned nothing and I was happy. If it doesn't burn, you didn't learn.

[noddy]

generally speaking - lots of the no ownership model does make sense.

most movies are pretty shite, I dont lose anything not owning them, ill never watch them again, ditto music and games and tv shows and the rest of the media, $10 a month to get the latest all the time is largely pro consumer.

cars and electronics are more interesing - the line in the sand over the lack of user servicability is actually quite blurry and open to plausable deniability.

eg: for phones, the lack of replacable parts is also the pocket sized sealed unit which is largely waterproof

modern cars are full of computers to make them more efficient and safer, which means they are also impossible to fully service in your shed.

obviously you can make both of those things *more* user owned and servicable so that it lasts longer and doesnt need constant drip feeds of money but its not going back to the old days of engines you can build on your lathe from first principles or large computers with dip chips and pluggable , replacable components.

for city dwellers in strata controlled apartments ownership is either impossible or irrelevant - you dont really own jackshit and you have no say in most things anyway.

home ownership for under 40's in my country has dropped from 60% (a comfy magority) to 40% (a minority) over the last 40 years.

this isnt conspiracy, this is reality, their is nothing to protect, it died ages ago. modern kids cant even tell what the babble is about.

Microsoft has a "new" section in their TOS It says that since you are "leasing" the operating system that if they decide to no longer support it you are obligated to stop using it at that point. So one is sold a computer that is no longer function when Microsoft tells you it is no longer functional. Just watch MS is going to put a kill switch in its OS's in the near future.

this has been the case since the internet came out and windows vista, all products have End of Life builtin.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecy ... t-overview

[noddy]

Very well said. For those not old enough to remember the "good ole days" there really is no point in discussing. Books vs. ebooks is a great example.

How many can even remember when one used to own a copy of software.

Mechanical type forums (car, motorcycle, etc.) are a great example. You can always tell when the poster is above age 50 by the material they post.

In a lot of cases, "leasing" will be market driven by consumers.

indeed, its an impossible argument.

[Doc]

generally speaking - lots of the no ownership model does make sense.

most movies are pretty shite, I dont lose anything not owning them, ill never watch them again, ditto music and games and tv shows and the rest of the media, $10 a month to get the latest all the time is largely pro consumer.

cars and electronics are more interesing - the line in the sand over the lack of user servicability is actually quite blurry and open to plausable deniability.

eg: for phones, the lack of replacable parts is also the pocket sized sealed unit which is largely waterproof

modern cars are full of computers to make them more efficient and safer, which means they are also impossible to fully service in your shed.

obviously you can make both of those things *more* user owned and servicable so that it lasts longer and doesnt need constant drip feeds of money but its not going back to the old days of engines you can build on your lathe from first principles or large computers with dip chips and pluggable , replacable components.

for city dwellers in strata controlled apartments ownership is either impossible or irrelevant - you dont really own jackshit and you have no say in most things anyway.

home ownership for under 40's in my country has dropped from 60% (a comfy magority) to 40% (a minority) over the last 40 years.

this isnt conspiracy, this is reality, their is nothing to protect, it died ages ago. modern kids cant even tell what the babble is about.

Microsoft has a "new" section in their TOS It says that since you are "leasing" the operating system that if they decide to no longer support it you are obligated to stop using it at that point. So one is sold a computer that is no longer function when Microsoft tells you it is no longer functional. Just watch MS is going to put a kill switch in its OS's in the near future.

this has been the case since the internet came out and windows vista, all products have End of Life builtin.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecy ... t-overview

Yes I understood that. I had to re-install windows on a computer a couple of days ago. I am not talking end of support. The TOS said, more or less, that once the software reaches end of life you are no longer authorized to use it.