Are we seeing the end of the American liberal order ?

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Interesting in Memphis cops beating Tyre Nichols to death was that the cops where blacks too

It was not a racial thing

What else ?

What does it say ?

[Nonc Hilaire]

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Interesting in Memphis cops beating Tyre Nichols to death was that the cops where blacks too

It was not a racial thing

What else ?

What does it say ?

Most US street criminals are black, so the police are prejudiced.

[Parodite]

The human cognitive brain is doing bayesian statistics. Profiling, catergorizing, stereotyping and prejudice (misapplied categorizing)...they all spring from the same well.

[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

The SCORPION unit, which stands for Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods, has been "permanently" deactivated, the Memphis Police Department announced on Saturday, a day after city officials released footage of the fatal confrontation between Nichols and former members assigned to the unit.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/scorpion-unit ... d=96720313

If I were to found a similar unit I would name it KUIS - Kill Until It Stops......

We are dealing with a demographic that has reached saturation and simply wants the chaos to stop. They are less concerned with due process than to simply have the crime be over. If this was simply an intra-neighbourhood set-to this would've passed notice, but since this unit wears the uniform and serves under the canopy of a legitimate metropolitan authority, that made them visible..... and unforgivable.......

[Heracleum Persicum]

SEX first
Relationship later


Cyril, Patriarch of Moscow vindicated , so the mad mullahs

[Heracleum Persicum]

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“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”

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Democracy can be defined as a civilised civil war. It recognises the existence of differences of opinion, but resolves these peacefully, through elections, which are the fundamental institution of representative democracy. Elections determine legitimacy. But to do so they must be recognised as fair

[Typhoon]

Well, the US has descended into turd world, pardon me, third world banana republic politics.

The boomer part of the ruling class are geriatric opportunists with no sense of duty to one's nation while the younger generations are naïve idealogues i.e., useful idiots to use a phrase attributed to Lenin.

It is remarkable how the extreme beliefs of the 1960's and 1970's radicals of the West have become mainstream dogma and policy.

[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

Maybe we've come to the limits of soft power, which is how the American Hegemon has imposed itself for the last half century. Brian McIlhagga wrote this about Britian, but a little introspection can claim this for the USA as well:

While all of Europe is getting poorer and weaker as the twenty-first century progresses, the UK is unique in its relative incapacity and unwillingness to find solutions in comparison to peer nations like Germany and France. This is a process that has been gathering pace for centuries, stretching back to trends that began in the 1700s even as its empire was still expanding.

In essence, the distinctively innovative and moralistic culture that distinguished England from Europe, most fully expressed in Puritanism and Cromwellian republicanism, flowed into America’s east coast elites even as it was crushed by the aristocracy at home. Britain’s version of the modernizing class—represented elsewhere by Washington, Napoleon, Garibaldi, Bismarck, the Meiji Emperor, Lenin, Mao, and Nasser—even arose far earlier, during the English Civil War and Glorious Revolution. It died a premature death, unable to provide the refounding moment for Britain that occurred in 1776 in America, 1789 in France, 1868 in Japan, and 1949 in China.

Because of its status as an initially advantaged first mover, the UK now has a fortified elite content to live on the rents of bygone ages. Its social order is constituted by the cultural legacy of the old aristocracy, underwritten by London financial brokers, and serviced by a shrinking middle class. Its administrative and political classes developed a culture of amateurism, uninterested in either the business of classically informed generalism or that of deep technical specialism. The modern result is a system that incentivizes speculative, consultative, and financial service work over manufacturing, research, and production.

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/04/27 ... n-is-dead/

Instead of sending Puritans to the New World, visualise the same effect with off-shoring or transfering our industrial base to China. So it's like the 19th century all over again, but with China being America and current America playing the role of the old British Empire......

[Typhoon]

Maybe we've come to the limits of soft power, which is how the American Hegemon has imposed itself for the last half century. Brian McIlhagga wrote this about Britian, but a little introspection can claim this for the USA as well:

While all of Europe is getting poorer and weaker as the twenty-first century progresses, the UK is unique in its relative incapacity and unwillingness to find solutions in comparison to peer nations like Germany and France. This is a process that has been gathering pace for centuries, stretching back to trends that began in the 1700s even as its empire was still expanding.

In essence, the distinctively innovative and moralistic culture that distinguished England from Europe, most fully expressed in Puritanism and Cromwellian republicanism, flowed into America’s east coast elites even as it was crushed by the aristocracy at home. Britain’s version of the modernizing class—represented elsewhere by Washington, Napoleon, Garibaldi, Bismarck, the Meiji Emperor, Lenin, Mao, and Nasser—even arose far earlier, during the English Civil War and Glorious Revolution. It died a premature death, unable to provide the refounding moment for Britain that occurred in 1776 in America, 1789 in France, 1868 in Japan, and 1949 in China.

Because of its status as an initially advantaged first mover, the UK now has a fortified elite content to live on the rents of bygone ages. Its social order is constituted by the cultural legacy of the old aristocracy, underwritten by London financial brokers, and serviced by a shrinking middle class. Its administrative and political classes developed a culture of amateurism, uninterested in either the business of classically informed generalism or that of deep technical specialism. The modern result is a system that incentivizes speculative, consultative, and financial service work over manufacturing, research, and production.

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/04/27 ... n-is-dead/

Instead of sending Puritans to the New World, visualise the same effect with off-shoring or transfering our industrial base to China. So it's like the 19th century all over again, but with China being America and current America playing the role of the old British Empire......

A perceptive history of the UK.

The analogy between the history of the UK and the US and the recent US and PR China may prove to be accurate.

The one caveat that I can think of offhand is that the US was effectively terra nullius, a new society and culture were constructed from the ground up, whereas PR China has several millennia of historical and cultural baggage. PR China has only existed for 74 years, most of China's history has been as turbulent as that of Europe, probably more so.
The Great Pooh Xi's obsession with absolute control may backfire.

Wikipedia: The Qing dynasty, which lasted from 1644 until 1912, was the last imperial dynasty of China. Its conquest of the Ming (1618–1683) cost 25 million lives and the economy of China shrank drastically. After the Southern Ming ended, the further conquest of the Dzungar Khanate added Mongolia, Tibet and Xinjiang to the empire. The centralized autocracy was strengthened to suppress anti-Qing sentiment with the policy of valuing agriculture and restraining commerce, the Haijin ("sea ban"), and ideological control as represented by the literary inquisition, causing social and technological stagnation.

So I think it's still an open question as to which nation will screw up the least and come out on top.

[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

To quote DPG from his twitter feed:

The CCP is Marxist in the way that the Mafia is Catholic. It's more like the ancient Mandarin bureaucracy than the Soviets. China has never had a civil society in the Western sense: There is family and there is state, a private and public sphere--more like Sicily than Sweden.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

So I think it's still an open question as to which nation will screw up the least and come out on top.

Our new motto: "We ain't the worst that you've seen!"

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Maybe we've come to the limits of soft power, which is how the American Hegemon has imposed itself for the last half century. Brian McIlhagga wrote this about Britian, but a little introspection can claim this for the USA as well:

It died a premature death, unable to provide the refounding moment for Britain that occurred in 1776 in America, 1789 in France, 1868 in Japan, and 1949 in China.

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/04/27 ... n-is-dead/

Is that true though? England and Scotland have refounded themselves several times over. The Tudor/Stuart Despotism to the Glorious Revolution and a century of Whig rule to the uniting of the kingdoms and on and on. Edward Banfield's assessment of American independence is that it would've never occurred if the reforms of the second period of empire that were soon to come had just happened a tad earlier.

While perhaps a minor narrative point viewed in isolation, its use rhetorically (grounding everything in timeless inevitable decline) makes me wonder what is not being said?

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Putting aside the British title even that's a neurotic mess:

England was a wealthy not-quite monarchy that transformed into a wealthier not-quite republic losing all sense of res publica with an empire that it both sought and sort of fell into its lap. (Hello East Indian Company!)

It increasingly itself in a state of not-quite nothing hood. Still wealthy for the foreseeable future, and maybe forever (England has had a very long track record of being financially better off.)

All the technocrats and republicans and monarchists and communists in the world can make the people of England actually love England.

And I get from the article that the author doesn't love England either.

[Typhoon]

. . . visualise the same effect with off-shoring or transfering our industrial base to China. . . .

Speaking of which . . .

FT | Apple is a Chinese company

[Typhoon]

M. Hutchinson | The United States is no longer a role model

[Heracleum Persicum]

M. Hutchinson | The United States is no longer a role model

Congratulation

Finally

Thanks for the above article .. says , point by point , what HP sayin since long long time

[Typhoon]

M. Hutchinson | The United States is no longer a role model

Congratulation

Finally

Thanks for the above article .. says , point by point , what HP sayin since long long time

A case of premature congratulation.

Well, it's hardly a secret that my view of the US ruling and chattering classes is that they have gone from screw-up to screw-up since the Eisenhower Admin.

What is remarkable is that despite this, the US, being a somewhat free market economy, has to-date not only survived but thrived.
Much to the annoyance of now several generations of the internal and external Left. Along with at least one theocratic kleptocracy.

On the other hand, you have something in common with Marx.
Unfortunately not Groucho, but the other less insightful one, Karl.

While your descriptions of the contemporary N Am situation may be accurate [or not],
your predictions and prescriptions are based on nothing more than wishful thinking.
In this regard, you do not lack for company.

[Heracleum Persicum]

M. Hutchinson | The United States is no longer a role model

Congratulation

Finally

Thanks for the above article .. says , point by point , what HP sayin since long long time

A case of premature congratulation.

Well, it's hardly a secret that my view of the US ruling and chattering classes is that they have gone from screw-up to screw-up since the Eisenhower Admin.

What is remarkable is that despite this, the US, being a somewhat free market economy, has to-date not only survived but thrived.
Much to the annoyance of now several generations of the internal and external Left. Along with at least one theocratic kleptocracy.

On the other hand, you have something in common with Marx.
Unfortunately not Groucho, but the other less insightful one, Karl.

While your descriptions of the contemporary N Am situation may be accurate [or not],
your predictions and prescriptions are based on nothing more than wishful thinking.
In this regard, you do not lack for company.

Assumption Azari wishes any harm to US not factual

Where all those who shouted alarm when lies like "Gulf of Tonkin" and Iraq "WMD" were sold to poor naive American Joe, were they bad wishers for America ?

A friend must say what is wrong and how it should be corrected .. bad wishers would cheer and want doubling down on disastrous policies.

Last 44 yrs , Iran saying we friends (listen to Khamnei UN 1987 interview with Ted Koppel) but US wants crush Iranian bones and axis of evil

Was this and is this good for America ?

Is now Iran teaming with Russia and China and the the rest of the world weaker than when Chaney and Bush were sable rattling ?

Lefti and Marx etc etc history, no relevant with today's world

Americans must "reboot" .. step back and look at wrong policies since 1945, missed opportunities , and deal with the world respectfully .. having higher GDP nothing to do with higher civilization or wisdom

1991 Dadi Bush waisted an historic opportunity for America to take the leadership of shaping the world and cement American world leadership for a century .. Leadership must be earned and can not be gained with bombing, you no dealing with fools anymore

Still not late

America still leads Western countries .. now, West should team up with China and Iran and India etc to bring prosperity to others , team up and cooperate and facilitate and join up with China's "Silk Road", cooperate, work with.

Instead, America, West, pushing China, Iran, Russia, India and the world down, with sanctions and animosity making needed funds to go instead to military armament, more dead etc etc .. doubling down on disastrous policies explained in posted article

[noddy]

its like the Jews, the Americans get judged on having to be better than all the other assholes.

its simple, they are just the same kind of asshole as everyone else, ruled by power grubbing elites.

All this nonsense of the world turning into cooperative hippies if it wasnt for those dastardly anglosphere types is where it all goes a bit wierd.

not even the hippies can cooperate with the other hippies.

Russia is run by oligarchs and thugs, just like America is, just like much of Africa is.

Their is no American liberal order - their was just more benefit cooperating with the American system than any other system

If the Chinese are capable of not being racist and actually allow foreigners to gain power and money in their system, then maybe they will slowly take over.

or maybe they throw anyone who acquires too much power and money into re-education camps, cough.

India is doing fine with the west, they are playing both sides quite nicely and will do ok no matter what happens.

Iran is obviously an outlier, run by angels with no imperial ambition or nastyness in their souls, hopefully they can maintain their hippy colony for a while longer.

imagine if they stopped getting sanctions and their kids all got exposed to decadant options, place would look like san francisco in 1.. maybe 2 generations

[Nonc Hilaire]

Iran is Israel’s North Korea. They need a new boogeyman now that Palestinians are on the endangered species list.

[Parodite]

I always imagined Israel in the long run resembling more and more its dick-contested arch enemy theocratic Iran. Nothingyehu and his religious orthodix allies made an important step in that direction rendering the high court a castrated singer in their holy bedrooms. The liberal order anywhere is being swamped by old tides.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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