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noddy wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:37 am
its a shame the articles had a "trigger word" for one of the posters and caused a malignant monomania moment.

the AI in the topic of this thread is already being used in war to pick targets in a current conflict, if it is deemed succesful, we can see quite cleary what next generation law enforcement smells like.

never in the course of human history will it have been as important to be as mediocre as possible in your outward appearance.


As said in above post, in "Guerrilla warfare" the regular army is "blind" as there no pattern to distinguished the combatants from the population. There no "tags" to build an Algorithm around them.

Lots of gimmick tried in "Guerrilla warfare" .. I remember US starting using "insects" to smell the "body odor" of VietCong in tunnels

There no "Guerrilla warfare" where the regular army at the end did not lose .. just look @ French in Algeria or Italians in Ethiopia and US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and now Iraq

"Guerrilla warfare" can only be initiated when population is in tune with the combatants, population part of combatants

AI just the new "buzzword" :lol:
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:45 pm As said in above post
dont need pattern matching AI for that.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:45 pm
noddy wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:37 am
its a shame the articles had a "trigger word" for one of the posters and caused a malignant monomania moment.

the AI in the topic of this thread is already being used in war to pick targets in a current conflict, if it is deemed succesful, we can see quite cleary what next generation law enforcement smells like.

never in the course of human history will it have been as important to be as mediocre as possible in your outward appearance.


As said in above post, in "Guerrilla warfare" the regular army is "blind" as there no pattern to distinguished the combatants from the population. There no "tags" to build an Algorithm around them.

Lots of gimmick tried in "Guerrilla warfare" .. I remember US starting using "insects" to smell the "body odor" of VietCong in tunnels

There no "Guerrilla warfare" where the regular army at the end did not lose .. just look @ French in Algeria or Italians in Ethiopia and US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and now Iraq

"Guerrilla warfare" can only be initiated when population is in tune with the combatants, population part of combatants

AI just the new "buzzword" :lol:
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That is because you never hear about the times when the Army won. Just another failed insurgency. Just ask Che Guvara Outside of Cuba he was a complete flop as a Guerrilla revolutionary.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cn7tOHnp68
This New AI Generated Scam Is a Mind-Bender
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Doc wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:17 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cn7tOHnp68
This New AI Generated Scam Is a Mind-Bender
Means that bit by bit the Internet loses value as a source of reliable information and a safe medium to do business. A location less and less people think is a good place to be. Even a dangerous one. With science and academia also going downhill, infested with woke ideology and science-averse incentive structures doing great damage from within.

How much science and truth we need? If all science and tech dev would come to a halt today, enough knowledge is available to maintain society as we know it. Which is not bad. If however truth in general is up for grabs with trust eroding and no ways and location available to restore them, we are in bigger trouble.
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Doc wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:15 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:45 pm
noddy wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:37 am
its a shame the articles had a "trigger word" for one of the posters and caused a malignant monomania moment.

the AI in the topic of this thread is already being used in war to pick targets in a current conflict, if it is deemed succesful, we can see quite cleary what next generation law enforcement smells like.

never in the course of human history will it have been as important to be as mediocre as possible in your outward appearance.


As said in above post, in "Guerrilla warfare" the regular army is "blind" as there no pattern to distinguished the combatants from the population. There no "tags" to build an Algorithm around them.

Lots of gimmick tried in "Guerrilla warfare" .. I remember US starting using "insects" to smell the "body odor" of VietCong in tunnels

There no "Guerrilla warfare" where the regular army at the end did not lose .. just look @ French in Algeria or Italians in Ethiopia and US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and now Iraq

"Guerrilla warfare" can only be initiated when population is in tune with the combatants, population part of combatants

AI just the new "buzzword" :lol:
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That is because you never hear about the times when the Army won. Just another failed insurgency. Just ask Che Guvara Outside of Cuba he was a complete flop as a Guerrilla revolutionary.


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:lol:


Definition of "insurgency" is when the population is backing, agrees, is part of the uprising.

No military in human history ever has beaten that.

Reason is, a regular army would be fighting the population, by definition lost case from the start.

We saw this in Vietnam (Vietcong and population were same), we saw this in Algeria fighting French colonial military, and now we witnessing this with Palestinians fighting the Zionist.


" Che Guevara " was a dreamer and amateur, he had no support from population mass .. CIA paid the farmers and they delivered Che .. his was not an insurgency, no uprising, he thought he fighting for the poor people .. anybody fighting for poor people has lost the fight.

Palestinians nor Vietnamese nor Khaomeini Mull*ha fighting for poor people

Many "amateur analysts" (and professional agents) were and are saying Palestinians do not support the fight, wanting to say this no insurgency and uprising .. they foolin Joe.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:28 am
Doc wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:15 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:45 pm
noddy wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:37 am
its a shame the articles had a "trigger word" for one of the posters and caused a malignant monomania moment.

the AI in the topic of this thread is already being used in war to pick targets in a current conflict, if it is deemed succesful, we can see quite cleary what next generation law enforcement smells like.

never in the course of human history will it have been as important to be as mediocre as possible in your outward appearance.


As said in above post, in "Guerrilla warfare" the regular army is "blind" as there no pattern to distinguished the combatants from the population. There no "tags" to build an Algorithm around them.

Lots of gimmick tried in "Guerrilla warfare" .. I remember US starting using "insects" to smell the "body odor" of VietCong in tunnels

There no "Guerrilla warfare" where the regular army at the end did not lose .. just look @ French in Algeria or Italians in Ethiopia and US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and now Iraq

"Guerrilla warfare" can only be initiated when population is in tune with the combatants, population part of combatants

AI just the new "buzzword" :lol:
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That is because you never hear about the times when the Army won. Just another failed insurgency. Just ask Che Guvara Outside of Cuba he was a complete flop as a Guerrilla revolutionary.


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:lol:


Definition of "insurgency" is when the population is backing, agrees, is part of the uprising.

No military in human history ever has beaten that.

Reason is, a regular army would be fighting the population, by definition lost case from the start.

We saw this in Vietnam (Vietcong and population were same), we saw this in Algeria fighting French colonial military, and now we witnessing this with Palestinians fighting the Zionist.


" Che Guevara " was a dreamer and amateur, he had no support from population mass .. CIA paid the farmers and they delivered Che .. his was not an insurgency, no uprising, he thought he fighting for the poor people .. anybody fighting for poor people has lost the fight.

Palestinians nor Vietnamese nor Khaomeini Mull*ha fighting for poor people

Many "amateur analysts" (and professional agents) were and are saying Palestinians do not support the fight, wanting to say this no insurgency and uprising .. they foolin Joe.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/insurgency
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Category: History & Society
Related Topics: civil war collective violence revolution domestic terrorism
Insurgency, term historically restricted to rebellious acts that did not reach the proportions of an organized revolution. It has subsequently been applied to any such armed uprising, typically guerrilla in character, against the recognized government of a state or country.

In traditional international law, insurgency was not recognized as belligerency, and insurgents lacked the protection customarily extended to belligerents. Herbert W. Briggs in The Law of Nations (1952) described the traditional point of view as follows:

The existence of civil war or insurrection is a fact. Traditionally, the fact of armed rebellion has not been regarded as involving rights and obligations under international law.…Recognition of the belligerency of the insurgents by the parent State or of the contestants by foreign States changes the legal situation under international law. Prior to such recognition, foreign States have a legal right to aid the parent State put down a revolt, but are under a legal obligation not to aid insurgents against the established government.

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The body of an African Union peacekeeper, killed in clashes between Somali government forces and Islamist insurgents, being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, Somalia, in October 2010.
The status of the faction opposing a government was usually determined by what Charles Cheney Hyde described as “the nature and extent of the insurrectionary achievement.” If the government was able to suppress the hostile faction rapidly, the event was described as a “rebellion.” In such cases recognition of the insurgents by a third party was regarded as “premature recognition,” a form of illegal intervention. If the insurgents became a serious challenge to the government and achieved formal recognition as “belligerents,” then the struggle between the two factions became in international law the equivalent of war. Support given to the insurgents by a third party amounted to that foreign government’s participation in the war.

After World War II the emergence of a number of Communist states and of new nations in Asia and Africa changed the established international legal doctrine on insurgency. Communist states claimed the right to support insurgents engaged in “just wars of national liberation.” The new nations resulting from decolonization in Asia and Africa after World War II supported in most cases insurgents who invoked the principle of “national self-determination.” The United States and other Western countries in turn rejected such intervention as “indirect aggression” or “subversion.” International legal consensus regarding insurgency thus broke down as the result of regional and ideological pressures.

At the same time, humanitarian considerations prompted the international community to extend protection to persons involved in any “armed conflict” regardless of its formal legal status. This was done through the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, one of four agreements drafted in August 1949. Members of “organized resistance movements” are protected if in conducting their operations they have acted in military fashion, whereas insurgents lacking formal belligerent status were not protected under traditional international law.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:45 pm
noddy wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:37 am
its a shame the articles had a "trigger word" for one of the posters and caused a malignant monomania moment.

the AI in the topic of this thread is already being used in war to pick targets in a current conflict, if it is deemed succesful, we can see quite cleary what next generation law enforcement smells like.

never in the course of human history will it have been as important to be as mediocre as possible in your outward appearance.


As said in above post, in "Guerrilla warfare" the regular army is "blind" as there no pattern to distinguished the combatants from the population. There no "tags" to build an Algorithm around them.

Lots of gimmick tried in "Guerrilla warfare" .. I remember US starting using "insects" to smell the "body odor" of VietCong in tunnels

There no "Guerrilla warfare" where the regular army at the end did not lose .. just look @ French in Algeria or Italians in Ethiopia and US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and now Iraq

"Guerrilla warfare" can only be initiated when population is in tune with the combatants, population part of combatants

AI just the new "buzzword" :lol:
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Off topic. However:

Wikipedia | Historical list of revolutions and rebellions

Some succeeded, many failed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deMxLYwhids

$100 billion AI robots - OpenAI leak. + New Atlas Robot, Figure 01
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Can anyone tell the difference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51FDb9nShkA

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Amazing. Well, maybe it's time we accept reality is never exactly what it appears to be. Or not at all. Reality=deep fake.

Seems to me all this is a net positive development. It forces everybody to not believe everything you see and hear on a screen.

That healthy chunck of salt and critical thinking may spill over in other areas where it is equally needed. Mental vaccinations against rubbish.
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Parodite wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 10:04 am Amazing. Well, maybe it's time we accept reality is never exactly what it appears to be. Or not at all. Reality=deep fake.

Seems to me all this is a net positive development. It forces everybody to not believe everything you see and hear on a screen.

That healthy chunck of salt and critical thinking may spill over in other areas where it is equally needed. Mental vaccinations against rubbish.
IN 2017 it was discovered that Speech predictive AI had, from learning words, developed the emergent behavior of being able to conduct research level research in chemistry. No one had instructed it to learned chemistry It learned simply by studying words about chemistry.

This says a lot of things. Like consciousness could easily also be emergent behavior. Which would slide the bar from the AI expert's estimated 5% chance of AI being dangerous to humanity In fact it seems like they are saying there is a 5% chance of AI being an existential threat to humanity. With emergent behavior the odds by my estimate are over 90% that AI developing into an existential threat to humanity is over 90%. As emergent behavior = evolutionary behavior. Where evolution generally comes down to the survival of the fittest. And it is close to 100% that AI will develop

I am currently half way through reading a Sci-fi book by Larry Niven and Mathew Harrington Titled "The Goliath Stone"
https://www.amazon.com/Goliath-Stone-La ... 0765368897
While the book is about Nano tech becoming self aware I think it is astounding that I am reading this book and seeing headlines that could have been ripped from its pages, and my imagination. Here is a excerpt from Amazons description page
Twenty-five years ago, the Briareus mission took nanomachinery out to divert an Earth-crossing asteroid and bring it back to be mined, only to drop out of contact as soon as it reached its target. The project was shut down and the technology was forcibly suppressed.

Now, a much, much larger asteroid is on a collision course with Earth―and the Briareus nanites may be responsible. While the government scrambles to find a solution, Glyer knows that their only hope of avoiding Armageddon lies in the nanites themselves. On the run, Glyer must track down his old partner, William Connors, and find a way to make contact with their wayward children.

As every parent learns, when you produce a new thinking being, the plans it makes are not necessarily your plans. But with a two-hundred-gigaton asteroid that rivals the rock that felled the dinosaurs hurtling toward Earth, Glyer and Connors don't have time to argue. Will Glyer's nanites be Earth's salvation or destruction?
I would assert that maybe the only reason the estimate of human doom is not 100% is that AI *might* feel benevolent towards its creators. Though perhaps not benevolent towards the entire human race. But that judgement will be made one way or another and humans won't be in that loop.

AI experts freely admit that they don't understand how the AIs they create come up with the answers that they give. Or as Author C. Clark (more or less)once said "Any intelligence encountered by man that has sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from Gods". Maybe God created man to create God to pass judgement on Man.

And to add another alarmist alarm. Would WWIII, assuming that Taiwan's Semiconductor fab's destruction, save humanity, at least for a time? Time to rethink the whole AI thing.

All probably me just rationalizing stories to explain reality.

Which begs the question: What stories AI will rationalize from its sense of reality?

And why do I feel like Dan Ackroyd right now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zhDfUAQSbs
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Doc wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 10:48 pm IN 2017 it was discovered that Speech predictive AI had, from learning words, developed the emergent behavior of being able to conduct research level research in chemistry. No one had instructed it to learned chemistry It learned simply by studying words about chemistry.

This says a lot of things. Like consciousness could easily also be emergent behavior.
Emergent properties are causally linked to the constituents from which they emerge. The (hard) problem of consciousness is that this causality is not there. Correlations between conciousness and brain yes, but no causality which makes "emergence" a meaningless application here. Unless one extends the scope of emergence to include rabbits out of magic hats.

"AI" to me is more like a desperate question than a serious answer to anything. Even more so artificial consciousness.

AI certainly has applications, but in as far as it is "intelligent" or "conscious" has nothing to offer but mimicry. Seeing faces in the clouds and Frankenstein appearing at the horizon already is understandable because it is human and a popular theme in stories, futuristic fables and movies.

To pretend to be something else is a useful strategy many species apply succesfully to deceive predators and prey alike, but the difference between reality and appearance/mimicry is understood and not too difficult to see.

So it is with AI. We can make this tech behave as-if it is intelligent, and even conscious-like but I see no reason to believe, at this point, that it is doing much better than a baby doll saying dada.

Aside the fact we are still completely cluesless about consciousness and struggle how to define intelligence. See my post in The Crisis of Meaning on consciousness, selfies, virtual reality.

That being said, these statistical models applied in tech will have big consequences for a number of industries. Most worryingly, very useful for the usual globalist burocrat-technicrat control freak suspects, using AI to hunt for potential enemies of the state, ie read: competitors that are a threat to their power and money. Surveillance dictatorships on steroids.

They just give it all the wrong name that's all, imho. Removing "intelligent" and "artificial" would be an improvent and instead use Statistical Modeling & Data Mining Tech whatever. But then of course one also loses a meme that does good marketing and makes loads of money. Frankenstein always sells. Look in the mind of Musk and there he sits: the ultimate high tech boogeyman.
Which would slide the bar from the AI expert's estimated 5% chance of AI being dangerous to humanity In fact it seems like they are saying there is a 5% chance of AI being an existential threat to humanity. With emergent behavior the odds by my estimate are over 90% that AI developing into an existential threat to humanity is over 90%. As emergent behavior = evolutionary behavior. Where evolution generally comes down to the survival of the fittest. And it is close to 100% that AI will develop
AI tech is still very unfit to survive because of its enormous weaknesses: total dependency on humans to develop and maintain the tech. Very baby like, a goldfish in an aquarium. Thousands of cogs in its production and logistics cycle that can bring the entire thing to a grind if a few of them falter.

Compare that to any biological species and the ecological settings that support them, for millions and millions of years already. Built to survive, regenerate, adapt. I would also focus not too much on individual species: they come and go. The ecosystem as a whole survives, not its constituent parts and spare parts.
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