Nigeria

[Heracleum Persicum]

Economist | A young person's guide to escaping Nigeria

Preferably to the West. Go figure.

Nigeria, is one of the biggest oil exporter in the world since long long time

Western oil majors have "arrangement" with a few Nigerians

The rest is poor like a mouse

Nigeria is reported to top the list of private jet owners in Africa. The number of private jets being acquired by the super-rich class of business moguls, bankers, pastors, politicians and oil magnates in the country has put Nigeria as one of the fastest growing private jet markets in the world.


If Oil wealth would go to all Nigerians, no one would leave

Notion West is paradise and the rest "sh*t hole" sort of masturbation, self pleasing.

[noddy]

thats kind of the point.

our corrupt, indulgent democractic system looks after 55% of the population and lets 45% rot, which makes us relatively attractive

1% letting 99% rot is the "shithole"

its not fixed - the powers that be are always pushing boundaries.

maybe nigeria will get a stronger government, despite what you say, western meddling can only get so far, its up to them to make that step

until they do they will remain a good place to leave.

[Heracleum Persicum]

thats kind of the point.

our corrupt, indulgent democractic system looks after 55% of the population and lets 45% rot, which makes us relatively attractive

1% letting 99% rot is the "shithole"

its not fixed - the powers that be are always pushing boundaries.

maybe nigeria will get a stronger government, despite what you say, western meddling can only get so far, its up to them to make that step

until they do they will remain a good place to leave.

No government can stay in power, if the mass of population does not want them

Except, when foreign powers back the rulers.

As soon as West washed hands off Shah, Shah packed and left.

Meaning, Corrupt rulers in Nigeria (and many other African resource rich countries, Sudan etc) are kept in power by West.

West weakening, China, Russia, Iran winning traction in Africa, things will change .. that is why China, Iran and now Russia so dangerous for West.

That is what is called "New World Order"

S. African navy conducts exercise with Chinese and Russian counterparts
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[noddy]

blah blah.

everything is the "wests" fault, "NATOS" fault.

i wish "we" where that powerful.

western oil companies can certainly throw their money around, but lets not get carried away with how well that works on a population that doesnt tolerate corruption - my country is also domianted by international mining corporates, yet northern europe is not and they succesfully nationalised the profits, my country does however demand some trickle down occurs - local companies and workers do benefit from the mining.

their is no "west", their is the chaotic outcomes of lots of big business, governments and NGO's - most of which is contradictory to each other.

it is childish and irresponsible to blame everything on the boogieman.

[noddy]

ive lived in places that blame the west for corruption, i dont believe any of it for a simple reason.

they dont believe in the nation, or suffering for some other tribes benefit.

they are a collection of independant groups and whichever group gains some advantage, they enjoy that advantage, their is no concept for taxing for th e collective good.

most western countries are deteriorating back to that state, rather than them becoming nation builders.

its multiculturalism baby - we arent one people with a common purpose, we are tribes/groups looking to maximise our benefit

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

The irony is that HP's complaint amounts to not enough western colonialism. So time to get the ol' colonial outfits out of mothballs, load up on quinine and musket powder and take up the white man's burden once again in order to organize Africa along fairer socioeconomic lines pleasing to outsiders for the good of those poor african souls.

[Heracleum Persicum]

The irony is that HP's complaint amounts to not enough western colonialism. So time to get the ol' colonial outfits out of mothballs, load up on quinine and musket powder and take up the white man's burden once again in order to organize Africa along fairer socioeconomic lines pleasing to outsiders for the good of those poor african souls.

As Western countries buy African Roh Material, Oil and gas and everything else, they could "demand" fairness in African economies, governance.

They have the "buyer's power" to enforce (some) fairness for the mass.

It is disturbing and against humanity that African continent is the most resource rich and at the same time the most poor continent. obviously something wrong.

Africa is very rich in natural resources .. if correctly benefitting the mass, Africa would need no financial help.

Now, Chinese enter Africa , Russians too .. I want to bet that suddenly things will be different in Africa

[noddy]

Now, Chinese enter Africa , Russians too .. I want to bet that suddenly things will be different in Africa

Ive worked and lived with both Chinese and Western businessmen - they are far more simmilar than different.

their will be enough bribery and looking after locals to stabilise the situation, then maximum business profits after that - chinas number one priority will be getting resources back to china.

nothing will be different until those countries have a sense of nation and organise together, which is something neither the chinese nor the westerners can give them.

you need an army, you need a strong federal government, you need various sub groups believing in the nation and not just themselves.

you know that - if you look around the world at the countries that can be bullied and cant be bullied, that is always the difference.

the african countries are mostly not even real countries - the european colonials split up the land based on their power squabbles , rather than local political needs, they didnt form naturally.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

To enforce, to conquer, to gives laws...it's colonialism all the way down.

And what happens in the preordained heirarchy when the people on the lower rung fail to live up to the demands of the bigger rung?

Why it goes to justify and reinforce the heirarchy. The lower rungs are forever in debt- beyond the numerics of trade. So then any crappy thing done to them (in the name of doing it for them) is wholly justified.

[noddy]

Non voting participants in someone elses trade empire.

They would need a tea party.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Now, Chinese enter Africa , Russians too .. I want to bet that suddenly things will be different in Africa

I've worked and lived with both Chinese and Western businessmen - they are far more simmilar than different.

China's many 1000 yrs policy has been "trade".

China never wanted and still does not want to conquer anywhere .. China wants to "trade" .. buy from and sell to

Lasting trade can not be "plunder" .

Colonial powers were not into this for trading, but for plunder .. Brits sucked India dry .. Brits where not in China to trade, but to "f*ck China" by forcing on them Opium for Gold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CW7S0zxv4&t=79s

Pls watch .. loooooove it


Churchill said, british prosperity in 1900's came from Persian Oil .. Brits paid basically nicke & dime to Iran for Iranian Oil until Nationalization in 1953.


China will offer Africa a "better deal" (as Trump used to say re Iran nuke deal )
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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

This will be of immense relief to

Tibet
Xinjiang
Manchuria
Vietnam
Korea
Formosa
Mongolia
Siberia and and and...

All this time, the Han just want trade...1000 years of trade.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Winston Churchill also thought Gallipoli was a good idea.

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But if we are going by one source/one policy rules.

Iran shot itself in the foot when it broke it contracts and nationalized those oil fields with the plan to hand the northern ones over to the Soviets.

[Heracleum Persicum]

This will be of immense relief to

Tibet
Xinjiang
Manchuria
Vietnam
Korea
Formosa
Mongolia

This missing the point

These are yellow race neighbours, not economic plundering but strategic reason for .. same as Scotland or Wales or Ireland to English

Africa or South America or Middle East or India were not next door to Great Britain or French or Spaniards
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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

the empire part of "trade empire" historically catchup to what the trade guys are doing.

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Trade doesn't require states and empires, it requires large social niches. The parties involved then favor any policy which cuts down on volatility inherit to the business of trade.

Hence a preference for factions and strongmen making sure the resources keep flowing. Or if not outright strongmen as in some places, then it becomes about the various mobs controlling ports or the labor used.

If and when the state really gets involved, it is an act of negotiation with competitors who can exist outside the surplus extraction system of the state.

[noddy]

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[noddy]

During Chinese President Hu Jintao's visit in 2006, China secured four oil drilling licenses and agreed to invest $4 billion in oil and infrastructure development projects in Nigeria,[8] and both nations agreed to a four-point plan to improve bilateral relations – a key component of which was to expand trade and investments in agriculture, telecommunications, energy, and infrastructure development.[5]

Furthermore, China agreed to buy a controlling stake in the Kaduna oil refinery that would produce 110,000 barrels per day (17,000 m3/d).[8] Nigeria also promised to give preference to Chinese oil firms for contracts for oil exploration in the Niger Delta and Chad Basin.[8] In 2006, China also agreed to grant a loan of $1 billion to Nigeria to help it upgrade and modernize its railway networks.[7]


In 2005, Nigeria agreed to supply PetroChina with 30,000 barrels per day (4,800 m3/d) of oil for $800 million.[12] In 2006, the CNOOC purchased a share for $2.3 billion in an oil exploration block owned by a former defence minister. China has also pledged to invest $267 million to build the Lekki free trade zone near Lagos.

AHAHAYHHAHAHaHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA




cough, pants on fire.


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to be clear, the western companies do own the bulk still - however it is just oil companies, not "the west" , and the chinese investments are large, and growing, with the same corrupt people, with the same results.

this is not an empire occupation, if it was, china wouldnt be allowed to play.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Winston Churchill also thought Gallipoli was a good idea.

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But if we are going by one source/one policy rules.

Iran shot itself in the foot when it broke it contracts and nationalized those oil fields with the plan to hand the northern ones over to the Soviets.

Although Soviets were pushing for concession for northern part of Iranian oil , they did not get it

Iranian Oil was not "really" nationalized 1953 .. it changed hands from British hand to US hand .. and .. Iranian oil deal did only marginally improved .. Saudi had a much better deal , 50/50 , way before 1953, Iran never had that.

Iranian Oil became "really" nationalized 1979 when Khomeini took over .. before that, Shah time, Iran had many restriction that even Shah could not change much .. Iran could not sell it's share of Oil production directly to Japan, Germany etc until 1973 when Arabs boycotted Oil, carter time. At that time Iran put an "auction".

[noddy]

Indonesia, malaysia and the solomon islands all had anti chinese race riots because the chinese businessmen couldnt be botgered sharing with the lazy locals.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Several Years Out of Date But Interesting

McKinsey has 90% of Chinese investment in Africa being small, privately owned business.

Around 90 percent of these firms are privately owned—calling into question the notion of a monolithic, state-coordinated investment drive by “China, Inc.” Although state-owned enterprises tend to be bigger, particularly in specific sectors such as energy and infrastructure, the sheer number of private Chinese firms working toward their own profit motives suggests that Chinese investment in Africa is a more market-driven phenomenon than is commonly understood.

In the 8 countries they focused on, they found that there were 2 to 9 times more Chinese firms than what was registered by China’s Ministry of Commerce, until now the largest database of Chinese firms in Africa.

On balance, we believe that China’s growing involvement is strongly positive for Africa’s economies, governments, and workers. However, there are areas for significant improvement:

-By value, only 47 percent of the Chinese firms’ sourcing was from local African firms, representing a lost opportunity for local firms to benefit from Chinese investment.

-Only 44 percent of local managers at the Chinese-owned companies we surveyed were African, though some Chinese firms have driven their local managerial employment above 80 percent (Exhibit 3). Other firms could follow suit.

-There have been instances of labor and environmental violations by Chinese-owned businesses. These range from inhumane working conditions to illegal extraction of natural resources including timber and fish.

It sounds like a lot of cowboys going out to the wild to make their fortunes without the governments and bureaucrats bearing down on them...

...as it ever was.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Now I wanna see the chart where it says: "Belgian Congo shows a willingness to invest in local workers"

[Nonc Hilaire]

Africa may be better visualized as rejecting the western ‘economic hitman’ style colonization and replacing it with BRICS membership than focusing on only one BRICS member.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tilakdoshi ... 30f48124bf

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/1 ... g-tensions

[Heracleum Persicum]

Now I wanna see the chart where it says: "Belgian Congo shows a willingness to invest in local workers"

China , wanting a "long term" Win-WIn , wants to build a "prosperous" (3rd) world to be able to buy Chinese goods

Aim is not to "plunder" and keep Africa poor so that African resources can be bought cheap for eternity .. but .. aim is to have a prosperous Africa to be able to buy Chinese goods

That is what "Belt & Road" project is all about .. it is a SECURE (land based) "infrastructure" project that connects China with Asia, Europe and all between .. an "infrastructure" , logistic, that can not be interfered by animus WEST (in contrast See lane can be cut by West).

That is why WEST so afraid of B&R project.

Western idea was, to keep "non Western" countries down by keeping them 'dependent" on West .. not to let any non Western country to rise up and challenge Rules West has enacted, "Western Rule based world"

This now changing

We have already entered a new world

All this started with Iran's Khomeini

Khomeini said and showed Emperor has no cloth

Iraq, Afghan, Libya, Syria broke the camels back

mad mullahs did not do anything as they knew time on their side, they just had to keep things stable, lean back, and watch.

American politicians, beginning Bush Dadi etc, were not smart enough to understand what was going on, until too late

Now world has already crossed the bridge



RT
China is finally stepping up to its role as a superpower.
This will change the world
The international sphere is aligning along two blocs,
one led by the US and its allies,
and the other by Beijing and Moscow

China has stepped up its diplomatic activity considerably. This is not only because it has broken out of the long-standing pandemic isolation that previously hampered its outreach. The main motive is that China’s role and weight in the international arena have grown to the point where contemplative detachment is no longer possible. This is an important shift in Chinese self-awareness; the question now is what changes in international practice it will lead to.

Non-action as the highest virtue and the non-contradictory interpenetration of opposites are principles of traditional philosophy, but they are also quite an applied way of conducting international activities. A detailed analysis of this phenomenon should be left to specialists, but it is worth noting that the shift from such a worldview to a more familiar ideological and geopolitical confrontation took place when China adopted the generally alien Western communist doctrine.

Mao Zedong attempted to change not only the social order but also the culture of the Chinese. But his reign ended with a bargain with the United States, which was a return to a strategic equilibrium that better suited the Chinese view of the world. Mutual recognition did not mean agreement and harmony, but it was in line with the objectives of the parties at the time. This period, which lasted until very recently, is only now showing signs of coming to an end.

End of story
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[Heracleum Persicum]

Africa may be better visualized as rejecting the western ‘economic hitman’ style colonization and replacing it with BRICS membership than focusing on only one BRICS member.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tilakdoshi ... 30f48124bf

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/1 ... g-tensions

Very well said , thanks for the links

[Heracleum Persicum]

Indonesia, malaysia and the solomon islands all had anti chinese race riots because the chinese businessmen couldnt be botgered sharing with the lazy locals.

Most of these riots are organized by Western "authorities"


In Pakistan , Baluch terrorists are armed and organized by CIA (Saudi) to kill Iranian border guards and in Pakistan they bomb Chinese engineers and projects .. routine CIA work


Uyghur rubbish is pur play CIA