The rise of BRICS

[noddy]

[Heracleum Persicum]

India was never a big civilization , maybe even not a civilization

There a reason for that

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Indian TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5z-e2miROQ

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Scrapping the bottom of the barrel now.

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GDP of BRICS+ Nations Reach $32.66 Trillion,
Ahead $7.16 Trillion From the U.S.

A handful of countries have expressed interest to join the BRICS alliance and accept the new currency for cross-border transactions. The BRICS expansion to BRICS+ will be jointly decided by the bloc in the next summit in South Africa in August. If the alliance expands to BRICS+, its GDP could surpass the United States GDP by more than $7 trillion.

All started when West, US , started bullying Iran .. mad mullahs withstood .. now things falling in place

[noddy]

India was never a big civilization , maybe even not a civilization

There a reason for that

RCS isnt as catchy.

and S is a basket case.

so we are back to R being a petrol station for C

except Iran will be the new I

2 petrol stations for China!!!

[Parodite]

All started when West, US , started bullying Iran.. mad mullahs withstood.. now things falling in place

Yea those lovely mad mullahs! Of so much higher moral standards than crooked west-friend Shah and his rich gang friends killing Mosaddegh. Truly a big improvement! Wonderful to see Iran moving steadily upwards, back to the golden age of Persian military and cultural dominance. They seem half way now.. on their way to the Persian promised land. An inspiration to everybody seeing the miracle and not blinded by Western arrogance!

Maybe only a final d*ck-fight with Yisroel M*she is necessary to restore a final and lasting balance in this bedeviled region. Clean out the barn please!

That Iran has reason to hate west-gang... very little dispute from my side. However, these mad mullahs themselves are corrupt bullies that deserve everybody’s deepest contempt. Let’s not call dog sh*t angel hair now.

Good news is west-gang USA quickly becoming banana republic.. you followed the news. USA tired of failed foreign adventures, wars with no end nor rewards, no victories of late. Uncle Sam-Jo wants to stay home, they are in retreat! No worries there.

These Mullah-bullies however are surviving way too long beyond expiration date. Criminal Mullah-Junta gangs oppressing the good Iranian people, killing teenager girls, torturing political prisoners. These primitive monkeys with their "morality police" deserve lifelong imprisonment. Or do it the Mullah-way: public hanging, I wouldn't mind at all to see these Satan worshippers go to Hell in greatest agony. An eye for an eye.

How Iran's repression machine works

mad mullahs did not "withstand"... they continued the same psycho-patterns and even elevated them to new levels, not that much different from the darkest Taliban hellscapes.

[Heracleum Persicum]

All started when West, US , started bullying Iran.. mad mullahs withstood.. now things falling in place

Yea those lovely mad mullahs! Of so much higher moral standards than crooked west-friend Shah and his rich gang friends killing Mosaddegh. Truly a big improvement! Wonderful to see Iran moving steadily upwards, back to the golden age of Persian military and cultural dominance. They seem half way now.. on their way to the Persian promised land. An inspiration to everybody seeing the miracle and not blinded by Western arrogance!

Maybe only a final d*ck-fight with Yisroel M*she is necessary to restore a final and lasting balance in this bedeviled region. Clean out the barn please!

That Iran has reason to hate west-gang... very little dispute from my side. However, these mad mullahs themselves are corrupt bullies that deserve everybody’s deepest contempt. Let’s not call dog sh*t angel hair now.

Good news is west-gang USA quickly becoming banana republic.. you followed the news. USA tired of failed foreign adventures, wars with no end nor rewards, no victories of late. Uncle Sam-Jo wants to stay home, they are in retreat! No worries there.

These Mullah-bullies however are surviving way too long beyond expiration date. Criminal Mullah-Junta gangs oppressing the good Iranian people, killing teenager girls, torturing political prisoners. These primitive monkeys with their "morality police" deserve lifelong imprisonment. Or do it the Mullah-way: public hanging, I wouldn't mind at all to see these Satan worshippers go to Hell in greatest agony. An eye for an eye.

How Iran's repression machine works

mad mullahs did not "withstand"... they continued the same psycho-patterns and even elevated them to new levels, not that much different from the darkest Taliban hellscapes.

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Running danger Typhoon sayin this no Iran thread , Parodite, your handicap is you looking at what's happening in the world from classical European eyes and views, things defined as Europeans define them.

World now 85% no more lives in "western world culture, view, etc" .. those 85% thought West knows something they dont, but, they discovered all was fake.

Re Mullah and Iran of today , Mullah and Iran now, in many aspects, more democratic, human, free than Europe and US .. What would US national guard do if anti abortion protesters would attack and burn banks and knife police and throw Molotov cocktail, or shoot the police .. what would the Paris police do .. what would German Vefassungshutz do if teenage girls attack and burn banks

All you read in Western media is political propaganda made to pressure mad mullahs to sign on dotted line .. mad mullahs just laughing, thinking how naive and uninformed west is about Iranians

Now, Iranian women are the most free women in the world , 75% of medical specialist, 55% of medical doctors , majority of scientist (including nuclear scientist - when the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Rafael Grossi asked to meet top Iranian nuke scientist, he met are women scientist), vast majority of science and other university students are women

This is the real freedom for women, when women become "financially independent" .. wester mindset is freedom for women means women being able to go to nude beach

All rubbish what you read see in west about old world , Iran, China etc etc

Iranians know West, Europe very well .. many Iranians in all over Europe for 100+ yrs not so Europe knowing our beloved Persia

Iran now solidifying hegemony over Persian cultural space, "Greater Iran"

[Typhoon]

BRICs.

Basket cases of the world, untie, er, unite.

[Parodite]

HP with respect.. but you look with the psychopath eye at the map. "West", "Iran", "Russia", "China", "BRICS", as if they are individuals with a mind of their own. Like inanimate pieces on a chess-board. Reality: civilized individuals anywhere in the world becoming the victim of uncivilized, criminal, murderous psychopaths that banded together into gangs of sorts: from maffiosi cartels to governments infested with these types. Anywhere. Any country, any culture produces both types of people, with of course all the shades of grey.

In the mean time, the top immigration countries where decent people want to live, escaping poverty and/or violence:

United States.
Germany.
Canada.
Spain.
United Kingdom.
France.
Italy.
Australia.

The West rules the waves.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

I'll go the extra mile and say it's all jingoistic rubbish. There were 19th century admirals who were more circumspect about themselves and their place in the world.

There is the Fanon Fallacy of trying to "center brown people" (as the kids say) into the european leg of the wars.

It's more soothing than the truth that the extra-european holdings were inconsequential to Europe by then. As proven by Germany (Kaiser, not nazi), the most lucrative revenue extraction came from inner colonization. Hence the rising welfare state and the school uniformities and language uniformities and so on and so forth.

It became cost prohibitive to hold extra-territory with the advancements of weaponry, transportation and communication. Moreover, any bonds remaining by the world wars were broke by the fact of war itself. It wasn't planned or inadvertent. There was no battle of minds about racial hierarchies that weren't some combination of rhetoric and fantasy about the conditions already established. In that case, it was the equivalent of little boys playing with action figures and determining who was coolest between he-man, optimus prime and the red power ranger.

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Mossadegh could run his mouth to the British because he had post war US and USSR wooing him as potential partners. I'd run my mouth too in that scenario.

But this also papers over how stoopid he was. His mouth made enemies both inside and outside his country and without. Whatever he said to President Einsenhower over the phone p*ssed Ike off so much he decided not to back him. And this was a guy who was ready to put the UK in its place any chance he got. God only knows how someone screws that up.

...and now we all get to live in a world with 80 years of b*tching and moaning and wounded pride.

[Heracleum Persicum]

In the mean time, the top immigration countries where decent people want to live, escaping poverty and/or violence:

United States.
Germany.
Canada.
Spain.
United Kingdom.
France.
Italy.
Australia.

The West rules the waves.

Parodite , those called these days "immigrant", they no "immigrant" in Western sense .. they all "refugee", in one way or other.

Qaddafi Libya, was Paradise for Libyans , but West wiped out that paradise when Qaddafi said will accept only Gold for Oil .. Libya was bombed by NATO and US .. now Libya's Oil goes to Europe neither metered nor paid.


Libyans now are ruined and flood Europe not seeking freedom and democracy and western values , but escaping hell generated and kept alive by Western cronies , 2 generals fighting each other supported and armed by west and non western powers (including Turks and Saudi and Russians and NATO) ..

Syria even worst .. those 1 m Syrians Merkel took in were not seeking democracy and freedom but escaping those CIA armed and supported "freedom fighters" who started beheading Westerners on live TV

These are economic refugees and not democracy and freedom seekers

Middle Eastern culture, people, hate moving away from their homeland, cities, villages .. reason is, they live and have lived for 1000s of yr at home in a warm "community".

That is what I say Europeans do not understand non Europeans

[Heracleum Persicum]

Mossadegh could run his mouth to the British because he had post war US and USSR wooing him as potential partners. I'd run my mouth too in that scenario.

But this also papers over how stoopid he was. His mouth made enemies both inside and outside his country and without. Whatever he said to President Einsenhower over the phone p*ssed Ike off so much he decided not to back him. And this was a guy who was ready to put the UK in its place any chance he got. God only knows how someone screws that up.

...and now we all get to live in a world with 80 years of b*tching and moaning and wounded pride.

Yes, true , Mossadegh could poke British in the eye because US-USSR chessmate obliged Brits and US to behave

That is what I was getting at .. WW2 lead to a situation that Europe and US had to count the 3rd word , Indians and Chinese and African among "human species" and not anymore, as aDolf used to say, as "Untermensch"

After USSR fell, 1990 , and there was nobody anymore West had to consider, West thought back to old good days .. and we saw what happened to Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq

Now .. with Ukraine war .. we seeing the 2nd leg of resurrection of "non Wester" world, India, China, Iran, Africa etc etc

Yes, BRICS .. Shanghai .. Saudi, Turkey Iran Arabs alliances .. and many new political, military, economic alliances

[noddy]

yep, now the bombing is going to be far more diverse and multicultural.

Iranians blowing up Ukrainian school kids is but the start of this new era of ubermensch.

[Parodite]

Middle Eastern culture, people, hate moving away from their homeland, cities, villages .. reason is, they live and have lived for 1000s of yr at home in a warm "community".

Yes Yees... the past thousand years have been bloody, harsh, with territorial battles never stopping anywhere in the world...except...for...wait for it... The Middle Eeeeeeeeast!!! That tranquil zone of peace and prosperity....

That is what I say Europeans do not understand non-Europeans

You live in a fantasy land. Try this question:

Why/how is it, that although we are all practically the same, some countries do much better than others?

Westmanwoman is not on average any better, smarter, dumber than Iranmanwoman, Chinamanwoman, Africamanwoman and so on... i.e., biologically we are pretty much identical, bar natural variations and circumstantial forces that shape reality. You should smile now and be happy with at least one European not feeling superior to you or anybody else! ;p

Yet, modern democratic nation states are places where most wealth and well-being is generated, where people want to live coming from less pleasant locations? What is it, that makes the difference between those places?

Well... the data are in by now. We all have the same human genome. Biologically we are so similar... that harping on difference like skin color is simply idiotic, pathetic. We all share the exact same potential. I'm just born into a different place and time than you. Also, male-female differences are not much to worry about, despite the current obsessions in the western Culture-Identity wars (psychotics). The sexes are on average equally intelligent but have statistically somewhat different interests where females are more into people and men into things.

So, the actual factual news is only good news!

But this all begs the question why some countries/regions attract more people and others repel them. Forget for a moment our dispute about why some countries are more messy-violent-poor than others. I do agree with a lot of what you say about western interference, especially a 100% about Libya, but less so about Syria which is a more complex case with many bad actors together creating the current hell-scape there.

If it is not biological differences... then what is it?

I don't know the answer. Some believe it is "our" Judeo-Christian-Greco heritage where the individual has been elevated to the building block of society. Jordan Peterson likes to promote this idea. I'm not convinced at all. I tend to think more in terms of simple biological drives: animals and plants thrive where there is sunshine and food available and the chances are lowest to get eaten by other organisms that compete for same.
People just go and stay where there is more food and better security. All other theory is imo redundant gobbledigook.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

favorability polling of the US and Russia:

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Pew's report for this year can be found here

- US favorability is running around a 60%-30% split.

- "On balance, Biden gets positive reviews on the survey, although there are notable differences across countries. A median of 54% say they
trust Biden to do the right thing in international affairs and 39% say they do not."

The highest confidence comes globally from the 40 and over crowd. Younger adults aren't so sure.

- "A median of 82% across all countries surveyed say the U.S. interferes a great deal or a fair amount in the affairs of other nations, while 15% say it does not interfere much or at all. Majorities agree with this sentiment in every country surveyed, including about
nine-in-ten or more in Italy, Greece, South Korea, Israel, Japan, Spain and Sweden."

-"Across the 23 countries surveyed, a median of 61% say the U.S. contributes to peace and
stability around the world, compared with 38% who say it does not.
Majorities in 16 countries say the U.S. contributes to world peace at least a fair amount, including 85% in Poland. However, the sense that the U.S. does not contribute to peace and stability is more widespread in Europe compared with other
regions, and about six-in-ten express this opinion in Hungary and Greece."

-"In some nations, people who place themselves on the ideological left are more likely than those on
the ideological right to say the U.S. is less stable politically than other wealthy countries.
For instance, 59% of Swedes on the left express this view, compared with 37% on the right. This pattern is also present in Australia, the UK,
Canada, France, the Netherlands, Spain and South Korea."

-"Across the 23 countries surveyed, a median of 41% say the U.S. is the world’s leading economic
power as opposed to China, Japan or countries in the EU. This view is especially common in South
Korea, Japan, Israel, Poland, India, Hungary and Sweden, where half or more name the U.S. as the
top economy. A median of 33% believe China is the leading global economic power. Italy is the only nation in the
study where a majority expresses this view, although half of Australians and 48% in Greece and
Spain agree."

[Nonc Hilaire]

There is a decent chance that BRICS is set up to be BIS v2.0.

B’rer Rabbit and the briar patch.

[Typhoon]

Thick as a BRIC.

[noddy]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/s ... 2023-07-04


India refused to endorse China's Belt and Road Initiative at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit on Tuesday.

[Heracleum Persicum]

You live in a fantasy land. Try this question:

Why/how is it, that although we are all practically the same, some countries do much better than others ?

A valid and good question

It implies that "non western" (read non white) are, somehow, not as intelligent (probably genetically), as White people (Westerners).

But , why West, last 250 yrs, did and right now doing much better ?

Reason is , colonialism destroyed the 1000s of yrs economic, social, cultural infrastructure of non white world

India was 2nd GDP in the world for 5000 yrs .. After British took India , and , to destroy India textile industry, 'British East India Company cutting off weavers' thumbs , India became a "beggar country", with Churchill causing millions dead in Bangalore famine and badmouthing Indian as animals.

Much worst happened in China .. pushing Opium on China for Gold, and beheading Chinese fighting this on Shanghai street.

The collonialism set back the non white world 300 yrs

Now, Non White world, is recuperating and coming back .. China, India , Iran & & & ..non white world have now top top scientist and universities and technocrats etc etc .. take time to achieve parity with West, and surpass west but will sure happen

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The white man can't take it .. Chinese stealing our jobs, China stealing our technology , Iran a terrorist state , Russia POS

Now

Parodite

Next question is : why European , white man , could pull and succeed "collonialism"

Reason is Europe rose up from "dark ages" with ZERO culture, and engaged in plunder and "serial genocide" , wiping out all population in South and North America, enslaving the black (and Chinese) .. AND .. build up the infrastructure and economy of West, "White Man", with free labour , with slaves.


Basically , Parodite , White man achieved a "head start" by wiping out and plundering other civilizations, genocide on the go

Now that head start is watered down, and diluted more and more every yr ..

In the past, West, rebooted all with wars when 'slaves rose up and revolted", kill them all, like when slaves rose up in ROME

Events of post WW2 have shown Wars no more Wars used 2B.

Wars no option anymore .. that shown in Iran case .. Since Carter, RR, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden "military option is on the table" against Iran .. AND ? now Iran a nuclear power

[Heracleum Persicum]

favorability polling of the US and Russia:

There no Graf needed to show Western world prefers business as the old good days

But Western world, those in above post, are less than 20% of the world population

The rest, 80% of world population has other view of things

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

If that's what you get out of it more power to you, but I think it's missing the forest from the trees & no one's gonna care about self-important brics-in-the-wall if they can't figure it out either.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Can a global standard currency's confidence be NGO driven?

Wouldn't that essentially be what a BRIC global economy would be?

[noddy]

Currency is often mistaken for power when its really trade.

so many people want the power, not many understand all the cooperation and reliability required for trade.

https://mg.co.za/business/2023-08-22-go ... arisation/

Finance Minister Enoch Godongwana says it is premature for South Africa to enter the discourse about de-dollarisation and creating an alternative to the cross-border payments system Swift.

Speaking on the sidelines of the state visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Union Buildings on Tuesday, Godongwana underlined that South Africa’s trade is still largely skewed towards the West. Taken together, South Africa’s trade with the United States and the European Union dwarfs that with China, which has positioned itself as Washington’s main opponent in the battle for world economic primacy.

Godongwana noted that 75% of South Africa’s foreign liabilities are linked to the US and Europe.

If brics can actually find some mutually beneficial trade, they can use whatever dollars they like, it wont matter and the west wont be able to stop them.

for aslong as they are all bitching and whining about a western dominated market and blaming the westerners for not making them rich enough, they will continue to be irrelevant to eachother.

[noddy]

India, the Arabs and the West announce their own silk road (with blackjack and hookers?)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/9 ... e-unveiled

A multinational rail and shipping project linking India with the Middle East and Europe has been announced on the sidelines of the G20 summit in New Delhi in a step seen as a challenge to China’s economic ambitions in the region.

The corridor, which would include India, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Israel and the European Union, would help boost trade, deliver energy resources and improve digital connectivity.

Xi got sooky and didnt attend.

Putin neglected to attend for fear of arrest.

[Heracleum Persicum]

India, the Arabs and the West announce their own silk road (with blackjack and hookers?)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/9 ... e-unveiled

A multinational rail and shipping project linking India with the Middle East and Europe has been announced on the sidelines of the G20 summit in New Delhi in a step seen as a challenge to China’s economic ambitions in the region.

The corridor, which would include India, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Israel and the European Union, would help boost trade, deliver energy resources and improve digital connectivity.

Xi got sooky and didnt attend.

Putin neglected to attend for fear of arrest.

These are "scams" to get Israel involved, interject into ME politics .. BS

Otherwise there no need of any new transport rout from India to Europe as there neither political nor any other barriers at moment for flow of goods .. present shipping lanes much cheaper and flexible to any rail and road

Pretty much meaningless PR

This not the case with Russia-Iran-Persian Golf corridor, north-south corridor .. this would eliminate western sanctions against Russia and Iran, shorten the distance and time (and cost per ton) of transport dramatically .. Russian (and South East Asian) goods easily can access India and beyond, and Indian (and South East Asian) goods can easily access Russia etc.

This nothing to do with Silk Road
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