Turkey is top priority for Berdimuhamedow

[YMix]

In all the diplomatic formulations surrounding the visit, perhaps the most interesting "discourse event" was Berdimuhamedow's repeated use of the "two states, one nation" formula to refer to Turkey and Turkmenistan. It could not have been lost on anyone in the region that this is the formula long employed between Turkey and Azerbaijan, which both linguistically and geographically is much closer to Turkey proper than is Turkmenistan.

If Turkmenistan and Turkey are said to be "two states, one nation" just as Azerbaijan and Turkey are said to be, then would it not follow that Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan are likewise "two states, one nation"?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/NC08Ag02.html

I'm sorry, Azari. (well, sort of)

[AzariLoveIran]

In all the diplomatic formulations surrounding the visit, perhaps the most interesting "discourse event" was Berdimuhamedow's repeated use of the "two states, one nation" formula to refer to Turkey and Turkmenistan. It could not have been lost on anyone in the region that this is the formula long employed between Turkey and Azerbaijan, which both linguistically and geographically is much closer to Turkey proper than is Turkmenistan.

If Turkmenistan and Turkey are said to be "two states, one nation" just as Azerbaijan and Turkey are said to be, then would it not follow that Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan are likewise "two states, one nation"?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/NC08Ag02.html

I'm sorry, Azari. (well, sort of)

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YMix

Azarbaijani are no Turks

Azarbaijani, Kurds, Armenians, Taleshi are same genetic stock .. Indoa Aryan

Ask Imbrahim .. he will confirm this

Shirvan and Arran .. 2 Iranian provinces .. were lost to Russian Tzars during Russo-Persian War (1826–1828) ending in Treaty of Turkmenchay

Ottomans, Pan-Turks renamed Iranian province (Shirvan and Arran) Azerbaijan

But Azerbaijan people are Iranians and spoke Pahlavi-Persian until Seljuk rule

that is what happens when you knowledge comes out of a Pistachio-Halva box

IBrahim, pls enlighten YMix


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[YMix]

It doesn't matter if they are Turks or not. What matters is political (and popular) will to ignore Iran and stick close to Turkey. I bet you tried to fool everybody with that halva. That's why the Turkmen and Azeri prefer Turkey.

[Ibrahim]

Expect some polite speechifying about the unity of the Turkish peoples and no other action whatsoever. There is no juice in Turkey for "pan-Turkism" and Turkish economic and military ties are mostly with Europe.*



*excluding some cooperation with Iran to try and discourage aggression against Iran. But that doesn't seem to have worked.

[AzariLoveIran]

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Expect some polite speechifying about the unity of the Turkish peoples and no other action whatsoever. There is no juice in Turkey for "pan-Turkism" and Turkish economic and military ties are mostly with Europe.*



*excluding some cooperation with Iran to try and discourage aggression against Iran. But that doesn't seem to have worked.

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With all due respect, Ibrahim, that was not the question

Question is, whether, Azarbaijan + Shirvan + Arran, are Turks

That is the question

I know you know .. you very expert in that space and Turkish history

you can not chicken out

be a man

Yes or No

Last time I was in Istanbul, guest of a Turkish steel manufacturer, they explained in detail, we Azari no Turks

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It doesn't matter if they are Turks or not. What matters is political (and popular) will to ignore Iran and stick close to Turkey. I bet you tried to fool everybody with that halva. That's why the Turkmen and Azeri prefer Turkey.
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YMix ,

Shah Ismail was from Ardabil, Azarbaijan .. he invented Iranian Shia 12 Emami .. Shirvan and Arran part of us .. people Shia 12 Emami, same people, same language, same gene, same music (totally different than Turkish Music)


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Shirvana and Arran people consider themselves Persian, that is why they revolting

CIA, Mossad, Turk trying to pull them away from Iran

Does not work


she sings Azari in Persian "dastgah", Bayateh Mahoor .. all Azari Music is Persian "Dastgah"



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[Ibrahim]

With all due respect, Ibrahim, that was not the question

Question is, whether, Azarbaijan + Shirvan + Arran, are Turks

That is the question

No, I don't think that really matters. The DNA isn't what the appeal is based on.

[AzariLoveIran]

With all due respect, Ibrahim, that was not the question

Question is, whether, Azarbaijan + Shirvan + Arran, are Turks

That is the question

No, I don't think that really matters. The DNA isn't what the appeal is based on.

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In 1918, May 27, The Turkish Mousavatists for the first time in history, motivated by Pan-Turkist expansionist goals, committed a great historic forgery and named that Transcaucasian landpiece as Azerbaijan.


Arran, the real name of the republic of Azerbaijan

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During Median and Persian rule, many Caucasian Albanians adopted Zoroastrianism and then switched to Christianity prior to coming of Muslim Arabs and more importantly Muslim Turks. The Turkic tribes are believed to have arrived as small bands of ghazis whose conquests led to the Turkification of the population as largely native Caucasian and Iranian tribes adopted the Turkic language of the Oghuz and converted to Islam over a period of several hundred years.
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Under Seljuqs, great progress was achieved in different sciences and philosophy by Iranians like Bahmanyar, Khatib Tabrizi, Shahab al-Din Suhrawardi and others. Persian poets such as Nizami Ganjavi and Khaqani Shirvani, who lived in this region, epitomize the highest point in refined medieval Persian literature.
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Spit it out man,

they Turk or not

Yes .. or .. No

you know the history of that space,

don`t try to be `politically correct`

Turkey trying for centuries to push `Pan-Turanism`on Caucasus .. the young Turks of Ottoman time

but

they ain`t Turks Ibrahim

you know as good as I know

Maybe you work for Turkish government (Embassy in Ottawa)

but

Even Turkey never claimed Azari, Shirvan & Arran Turks

Nakhjavan Mafia, Alieve and company, they pushing towards Turkey for obvious reason

and now

Mossad, Zionist trying to base in our beloved Baku

not gonna work

People of Shirvan and Arran our brothers and sisters

so

Ibrahim

Azari Turks or not

come on , Ibrahim


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[Ibrahim]

It doesn't matter who they are related to or which country the Turkmen suck up to, nobody is going to rejoin with anybody. We're stuck with the nations we've got.