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Excellent article. Thanks for posting.

Kudos to the author for honesty. Always entertaining to see an idealist get slapped by reality hard enough to actually wake them up. A little knowledge is dangerous, a lot, just might change your mind.

Some of the comments are also good:
Don't forget that The New York Times is an anagram for "The Monkeys Write."

Anyone who has never visited a large wind farm should do so. Impressive engineering and science. Low environmental impact? Not so much.
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Nature | The State of the World’s Beaches
The application of an automated shoreline detection method to the sandy shorelines thus identified resulted in a global dataset of shoreline change rates for the 33 year period 1984–2016. Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.
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Anybody see an article the last few weeks showing global warming skeptics are lower polluters than MMGWers? I can't find it.
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Beautiful, thank you.
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Poor study. We had undergrads do these to teach them experimental method and how to use SPSS. Survey based not a measurement of actual behavior. Wording of the survey questions and the administrators themselves influence results.
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Accessible technical lecture on AGW data

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It's not just bad science.......
As far as I know, other than the completely overblown “peak oil” fears, about the only argument raised against the manifold benefits of inexpensive energy is the claim that increasing CO2 will lead to some fancied future Thermageddon™ fifty years from now. I have seen no actual evidence that such might be the case, just shonky computer model results. And even if CO2 were to lead to a temperature rise, we have no evidence that it will be harmful overall. According to the BEST data, we’ve seen a 2°C land temperature rise in the last two centuries with absolutely no major temperature-related ill effects that I am aware of, and in fact, generally beneficial outcomes. Longer growing seasons. More ice-free days in the northern ports. I don’t see any catastrophes in that historical warming. Despite the historical warming, there is no sign of any historical increase in weather extremes of any kind. Given two degrees C of historical warming with no increase in extreme events or catastrophes, why should I expect such an increase in some hypothetical future warming?
......it's morally reprehensible:
The difference between rich and poor, between developed and developing, is the availability of inexpensive energy. A kilowatt-hour is the same amount of work as a hard days labor by an adult. We’re rich because we have (or at least had) access to the hardworking servants of inexpensive energy. We have inexpensive electrical and mechanical slaves to do our work for us.

This is particularly important for the poor. The poorer you are, the larger a percentage of your budget goes to energy-intensive things like transportation and heat and electricity. If you double the price of energy, everyone is poorer, but the poor take it the hardest. Causing an increase in energy prices for any reason is the most regressive tax imaginable. At the bottom of the pile people make a buck a day and pay fifty cents a kilowatt-hour for electricity … there’s no give down there at the bottom of the heap, no room for doubling the price of gasoline to European levels, no space for electric prices to skyrocket.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/13/ ... -he-is-us/

Read the first two dozen paragraphs or so. Very eye opening..........
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Fascinating. An old tactic used by the socialist MSM was whenever something capitalisty was in the news their bylines were always "XYZ does thus and so, poor/women/minorities hardest hit".

Leftists are always guilty of what they accuse of others.
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Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/13/ ... -he-is-us/

Read the first two dozen paragraphs or so. Very eye opening..........
Thanks LG. Good reminder to be mindful of one's blessings. I'll try to keep that in mind for a while.

Whenever I hear a utopian control freak, describing their master plan for bettering the lives of others, with no conscious knowledge of the actual costs paid by the others, while simultaneously applauding themselves for their "idealism"......

I think: "Your Idealism? Really? How about your isolationism? Don't tell me about your ideals of forcing others to help the poor, tell me how much you actually donate from your own pocket to help the poor. Tell me about who will be hurt by your idealism. You're not aware of anyone being hurt by your idealism? I'm not surprised."
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Master P you are a great man.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-ch ... 1528152876
Climate Change Has Run Its Course
Its descent into social-justice identity politics is the last gasp of a cause that has lost its vitality.
Climate Change Has Run Its Course
Illustration: David Gothard
By Steven F. Hayward
June 4, 2018 6:54 p.m. ET
77 COMMENTS

Climate change is over. No, I’m not saying the climate will not change in the future, or that human influence on the climate is negligible. I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest renewable-energy rent seekers.

Judged by deeds rather than words, most national governments are backing away from forced-marched decarbonization. You can date the arc of climate change as a policy priority from 1988, when highly publicized congressional hearings first elevated the issue, to 2018. President Trump’s ostentatious withdrawal from the Paris Agreement merely ratified a trend long becoming evident.

A good indicator of why climate change as an issue is over can be found early in the text of the Paris Agreement. The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’ ” Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades.
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IEEE | A critical look at claims for green technologies
Green technologies are not yet proved, affordable, or deployable—but even if they were, it would still take them generations to solve our environmental problems.
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OK, I admit, when the global warm-ongers starting claiming the oceans were going to boil off, I was very skeptical.

but now.......

" It took only an hour and half for the molten rock to evaporate the entire body of water, which was about 200 feet deep."

https://www.sfgate.com/national/article ... 984861.php
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crazy.
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noddy wrote:crazy.
I was a little disappointed that the size of the lake was not listed. After looking at some photos with trees, I estimated 8 acres. A bit more googling resulted in the answer of 7.3 acres. Yeh me! :P

Mama Nature can deploy crazy amounts of energy on a whim. Snowstorms, rainstorms, hurricanes, etc.

I always think those who view nature as a benign, nurturing force have very little interaction with nature.
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More doom on the way:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/clim ... aster.html
Between 1992 and 2017, Antarctica shed three trillion tons of ice. This has led to an increase in sea levels of roughly three-tenths of an inch, which doesn’t seem like much. But 40 percent of that increase came from the last five years of the study period, from 2012 to 2017.
Antarctica is not the only contributor to sea level rise. Greenland lost an estimated 1 trillion tons of ice between 2011 and 2014. And as oceans warm, their waters expand and occupy more space, also raising sea levels. The melting ice and warming waters have all been primarily driven by human emissions of greenhouse gases.
The researchers concluded that the changes in East Antarctica were not nearly enough to make up for the rapid loss seen in West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula. Antarctica is, on balance, losing its ice sheets and raising the world’s sea levels
Dr. Shepherd and his team ran similar calculations five years ago, using 20 years of data, but were unable to say much except that Antarctica seemed to be losing mass at a steady rate. They discovered the acceleration in the rate of ice loss when they did the calculations again for this study, this time with an additional five years of data.
“Now when we look again, we can see actually that the signal is very different to what we’ve seen before,” Dr. Shepherd said. The rate of sea level rise due to Antarctic ice loss has tripled since 2012 alone, he said.
Advancements in Earth-observing satellites have enabled researchers to better understand the polar regions. Many researchers once thought the polar regions would add ice as the climate warmed, because warmer temperatures lead to more moisture in the atmosphere, which leads to more rain, and, they thought, more snow at the poles. Direct observation from satellites upended that view.
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As soon as the NYT leaves the coastal city of NYC, due to the imminent rise of the Atlantic Ocean and moves to higher ground, like say, Colorado, I will suspect that maybe someone at the NYT actually believes some of the fluff that they publish.

Till then, meh. Actions speak louder than words.
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Ammianus wrote:More doom on the way:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/clim ... aster.html
Between 1992 and 2017, Antarctica shed three trillion tons of ice. This has led to an increase in sea levels of roughly three-tenths of an inch, which doesn’t seem like much. But 40 percent of that increase came from the last five years of the study period, from 2012 to 2017.
Antarctica is not the only contributor to sea level rise. Greenland lost an estimated 1 trillion tons of ice between 2011 and 2014. And as oceans warm, their waters expand and occupy more space, also raising sea levels. The melting ice and warming waters have all been primarily driven by human emissions of greenhouse gases.
The researchers concluded that the changes in East Antarctica were not nearly enough to make up for the rapid loss seen in West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula. Antarctica is, on balance, losing its ice sheets and raising the world’s sea levels
Dr. Shepherd and his team ran similar calculations five years ago, using 20 years of data, but were unable to say much except that Antarctica seemed to be losing mass at a steady rate. They discovered the acceleration in the rate of ice loss when they did the calculations again for this study, this time with an additional five years of data.
“Now when we look again, we can see actually that the signal is very different to what we’ve seen before,” Dr. Shepherd said. The rate of sea level rise due to Antarctic ice loss has tripled since 2012 alone, he said.
Advancements in Earth-observing satellites have enabled researchers to better understand the polar regions. Many researchers once thought the polar regions would add ice as the climate warmed, because warmer temperatures lead to more moisture in the atmosphere, which leads to more rain, and, they thought, more snow at the poles. Direct observation from satellites upended that view.
As SM pointed out, the NYT does not appear in any rush to move.

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Nature - Zwally | Mass balance of the Antarctic Ice Sheet from 1992 to 2017

"Here we combine satellite observations of its changing volume, flow and gravitational attraction with modelling of its surface mass balance to show that it lost 2,720 ± 1,390 billion tonnes of ice between 1992 and 2017, which corresponds to an increase in mean sea level of 7.6 ± 3.9 millimetres (errors are one standard deviation)."

Climate science must be the only field wherein a 1 standard deviation result is reported. At two standard deviations, the result is consistent with 0mm.
Many scientific fields require a 5 sigma standard deviation, before a result is considered to be statistically significant i.e., real. At 5 sigma  7.6 ± 19.5mm, the reported result is consistent with anything.

The numbers quoted in gigatonnes sound large, but the Antarctic is larger, the claimed change corresponds to less than 0.011% of the total Antarctic ice mass.
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Typhoon wrote:
Ammianus wrote:More doom on the way:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/clim ... aster.html


Nature - Zwally | Mass balance of the Antarctic Ice Sheet from 1992 to 2017

"Here we combine satellite observations of its changing volume, flow and gravitational attraction with modelling of its surface mass balance to show that it lost 2,720 ± 1,390 billion tonnes of ice between 1992 and 2017, which corresponds to an increase in mean sea level of 7.6 ± 3.9 millimetres (errors are one standard deviation)."

Climate science must be the only field wherein a 1 standard deviation result is reported. At two standard deviations, the result is consistent with 0mm.
Many scientific fields require a 5 sigma standard deviation, before a result is considered to be statistically significant i.e., real. At 5 sigma, the reported result is consistent with anything.

The numbers quoted in gigatonnes sound large, but the Antarctic is larger, the claimed change corresponds to less than 0.011% of the total Antarctic ice mass.
So, between 1992 and 2017 the Antarctic ice mass lost 0.011% +/- 0.005%.... and some are worried.

I can't even measure that minute of a change in my own body mass!

I got a bridge in Brooklyn that I will sell those people, cheap. Price is very low due to the rapidly rising water level....... But for a couple more years, it will be a great source of income!
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if my crappy cheap, edge of suburbia place in the foothills becomes a top dollar beachfront suburb id be stoked.
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noddy wrote:if my crappy cheap, edge of suburbia place in the foothills becomes a top dollar beachfront suburb id be stoked.
There used to be an Aussie member here who was forever predicting imminent AGW doom.
I kept offering to buy his soon to be inundated beachfront property for 1 Aussie dollar, but oddly enough he never replied to my standing offer.
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WSJ | Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?
James Hansen issued dire warnings in the summer of 1988. Today earth is only modestly warmer.
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