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Typhoon wrote:.

The fear of women and the perception that sex is somehow unclean is hardly unique to Islam.

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Where do you have this from ? ?

Islam promotes sex .. and .. # 1 duty of any wife is to give pleasure to the husband .. In Islam, Sex, explicitly, is promoted, not to make children but to'"enjoy".

Nor, Islam says woman are unclean .. no such thing .. and .. mad mullahs, explicitly, on TV, say BlowJob and aural sex is good (hallal) .. in fact, watched head of Iranian sex education, an Ayatollah, on TV, saying swallowing after BJ is good and kosher, pretty much everything between a man and woman is promoted, no limit.

Now, mad mullahs have SEX education for new weds .. mostly posted on uTube .. very interesting, funny, extremely explicit and sexy .. first could not believe my eyes and ears what the Ayatollah was saying on TV.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Typhoon wrote:.

The fear of women and the perception that sex is somehow unclean is hardly unique to Islam.

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Where do you have this from ? ?

Islam promotes sex .. and .. # 1 duty of any wife is to give pleasure to the husband .. In Islam, Sex, explicitly, is promoted, not to make children but to'"enjoy".

Nor, Islam says woman are unclean .. no such thing .. and .. mad mullahs, explicitly, on TV, say BlowJob and aural sex is good (hallal) .. in fact, watched head of Iranian sex education, an Ayatollah, on TV, saying swallowing after BJ is good and kosher, pretty much everything between a man and woman is promoted, no limit.

Now, mad mullahs have SEX education for new weds .. mostly posted on uTube .. very interesting, funny, extremely explicit and sexy .. first could not believe my eyes and ears what the Ayatollah was saying on TV.

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Additional data point that no two people ever climb the same mountain.

Parodite wrote:

Mr. Perfect wrote:How are Christians harming Europe.

How are you not reading my post. But now that you ask...a good question. Will think about it.

Did some thinking: Christians tend to be too busy with other concerns. Valuable time lost that could have been spent more wisely.

That's it?

Also, Nice gunman had accomplices, long term planning according to current evidence.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-truck ... tml?ref=gs

Five suspects have been formally charged over the July 14 truck attack in the French Riveria city that killed 84 people.

Investigators initially said Bouhlel appeared to have undergone a lightning-quick radicalisation but the picture emerging is of a long-planned attack.

The prosecutor said Thursday that photos on his phone showed he had already staked out the same July 14 event in Nice a year ago.

Acquaintances of the father of three, who had been living in the city for around a decade, said he had shown little interest in religion and was prone to violence.

But the probe has revealed a fascination with jihad dating back at least a year.

Mr. Perfect wrote:

Parodite wrote:

Mr. Perfect wrote:How are Christians harming Europe.

How are you not reading my post. But now that you ask...a good question. Will think about it.

Did some thinking: Christians tend to be too busy with other concerns. Valuable time lost that could have been spent more wisely.

That's it?

Yes, that's it. Christianity, like all long standing traditions that have voodoo meta-physics at the core of their group-psyche, calibrate and synchronize people into a psychotic delusional ground state. This has a price though, it always has.

For instance in the West constitutionally and morally a person is free to be in a psychotic-delusional state alone or together with others in various houses of worship where those psychotic delusions are nurtured. A fair enough right but it causes the culture as a whole to more easily turn a blind eye to violent excesses that spring from the psychotic-delusional market place; they want to white-wash the acts of violence from any "religious causes".

Religion after all is not supposed to be a major cause of violent excesses. That way (socialist post-) Christians are complicit in the refugee problem here in Europe... by simply being good intended but naive morons. And the messianic vision of a Unified One Europe of course jives very well with the biblical new world promised where everybody will be One with the One.

These voodoo-fibers linger on to infest and complicate matters here on this continent. Most of your hated left wing liberals are post-Christian orphans who really mean well but create a mess instead. They are easy canon fodder for the oligarchy.

I dunno. Europeans take a whole month of vacation, hard to see how you complain about anyone wasting their time.

And entertaining to watch you blame atheist behavior on Christians. You'll have your hands full with that one.

Mr. Perfect wrote:And entertaining to watch you blame atheist behavior on Christians. You'll have your hands full with that one.

Not that difficult. All addictions have withdrawal symptoms.

Atheists who were raised in a religious environment tend to be somewhat overly angry and frustrated; there you have the militant atheist.

Or they may have abandoned core tenets of religious delusional dogma but still operate emotionally, socially and politically in a similar way; messianic dreaming about an egalitarian society where everybody is Equal and One.

The downside of Equal and One is that you, the unique individual, become nobody and disappear. Like the Christian cannot win but by faith and divine help from outside, so the socialist post-Christian cannot win and survive but by the State. A debilitating fear of death and inability to take full responsibility will always guide the Christian and post-Christian socialist.

The question of blame is not relevant here; it's a chicken or egg thing. I just look at the mechanics of things, it is interesting.

I meant to say you'll have your hands full explaining to post Christians that their behavior is because of Christianity. They will not like that.

A Catholic priest was murdered and several other persons wounded by blade weapons in a hostage situation following attack on a church in a small city near Rouen, France. The two attackers were killed by police forces.

The attack has been claimed by the Islamic State.

The previous Minister of Justice, until beginning of this year, Christiane Taubira, changed penal policy so as to put far more people out of jail. Prison time was replaced with "jail at home" with restriction of movement. That policy has been sharply criticized both by the oppositions and by police representatives.

Now it so happens that one of the attackers who killed that priest and wounded severely several other persons was under such a "jail at home" penalty. Had Hollande not allowed his previous Minister of Justice to apply such a stupid reform, this guy would have been in prison now.

There will be political hell to pay.

Probably not.

Mr. Perfect wrote:I meant to say you'll have your hands full explaining to post Christians that their behavior is because of Christianity. They will not like that.

Maybe. I'm not in the business of singular cause explanations though. However, yes. Religion, or its cultural aftermath in secularizing societies, is a great causal force among others. My point is that it tends to be downplayed, ignored or downright judged not-guilty of anything. Denial.

Mr. Perfect wrote:Probably not.

I mean our presidential and parlementarian elections, which will take place in Spring 2017.

My assessment is that nothing will change for your country.

Grauniad | French police make woman remove clothing on Nice beach following burkini ban

Authorities in 15 towns have banned burkinis, citing public concern following recent terrorist attacks in the country

Unless there is some aspect of human nature that I completely missing,
this strikes me as a too dumb for words response to the recent terrible attacks.

Typhoon wrote:Grauniad | French police make woman remove clothing on Nice beach following burkini ban

Authorities in 15 towns have banned burkinis, citing public concern following recent terrorist attacks in the country

Unless there is some aspect of human nature that I completely missing,
this strikes me as a too dumb for words response to the recent terrible attacks.

Yes. If we can have nude beaches we can have burkini beaches.

as a moderate centrist i propose a common sense compromise.

eye candy should go nude, fat ugly types must be in burkahs.

noddy wrote:as a moderate centrist i propose a common sense compromise.

eye candy should go nude, fat ugly types must be in burkahs.

That's a sensible solution. However, one man's fat ugly type is another man's BBW. Where do we draw the line?

noddy wrote:as a moderate centrist i propose a common sense compromise.

eye candy should go nude, fat ugly types must be in burkahs.

Hey! I don't want to wear a burkah!

noddy wrote:.

eye candy should go nude, fat ugly types must be in burkahs.

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Beautiful girls do not go naked on the beach , "that thing" for them money in the bank, why give it for free ? ? ?

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All this Burkini stuff in "South of France" tourist centre municipalities just publicity stunts to get on world nightly news , as Hotels and Restaurants empty, business bad .. no Burkini ban in Marseille or other places with majority Arab population but is ShiShi Cannes ? ?

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Nonc Hilaire wrote:

noddy wrote:as a moderate centrist i propose a common sense compromise.

eye candy should go nude, fat ugly types must be in burkahs.

Hey! I don't want to wear a burkah!

Stop thinking like a selfish Rugged Individualist and start thinking like an altruist who cares about the common good and the feeling of his fellow citizens!

We beg you!

Well,
if it was put to a female only vote,
then I suspect that the write-in winner would be banning men of a certain age and a certain girth from wearing micro speedos.

it would require a beach license and a rating provided by a panel of your peers, 6 male, 6 female.

middle aged men in budgie smugglers most definately require burkahing.

How will the French police decide who to fine? Nuns? Scuba divers? Secular women who burn easily and want to enjoy the beach in a full-body swimsuit (i.e., a burkini, which is used by non-Muslims for that purpose)?

Typhoon wrote:Unless there is some aspect of human nature that I completely missing,
this strikes me as a too dumb for words response to the recent terrible attacks.

If it was done in hope of protecting against Jihadist attacks, it would be extremely stupid indeed.

The concern is however different: the topic of the debate is where should laïcité fully apply, meaning requirement of non-interference of religious or political ideologies. As of now, schools and administrations are places where such full application is demanded, meaning to abstain from religious display or political propaganda.

Some here would like to extend these places further, even so as to encompass all of public space. We have here the FN proposing to forbide conspicuous display of religious affiliation everywhere, except to religious personnel (priests, nuns, rabbis, imams).

I don't think it would be a good idea. However, the debate will probably continue.