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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Has France apologized for Algerian episode ? ?
This is the Japan thread of the East Asia subforum.
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i think alexis should personally apologise for jaunty beret's with stripey shirts while he is at it.
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noddy wrote:i think alexis should personally apologise for jaunty beret's with stripey shirts while he is at it.
I've been to France several times, and contrary to what most people think, very few French dress like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mime&bi ... d=0CDMQsAQ

Personally, I was shocked! Needless to say, the wardrobe I packed for my first trip was somewhat inappropriate... :(

The good part is that when you find a mime, they don't care if your French is lousy..... :)
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I think the pope should apologize for audacious hats...
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Simple Minded wrote:mime
now, you really have identified something that demands an apology!
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What’s Really Going on at Fukushima?
by ROBERT HUNZIKER
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/15/ ... fukushima/

Fukushima’s still radiating, self-perpetuating, immeasurable, and limitless, like a horrible incorrigible Doctor Who monster encounter in deep space.

Fukushima will likely go down in history as the biggest cover-up of the 21st Century. Governments and corporations are not leveling with citizens about the risks and dangers; similarly, truth itself, as an ethical standard, is at risk of going to shambles as the glue that holds together the trust and belief in society’s institutions. Ultimately, this is an example of how societies fail.

Tens of thousands of Fukushima residents remain in temporary housing more than four years after the horrific disaster of March 2011. Some areas on the outskirts of Fukushima have officially reopened to former residents, but many of those former residents are reluctant to return home because of widespread distrust of government claims that it is okay and safe.

Part of this reluctance has to do with radiation’s symptoms. It is insidious because it cannot be detected by human senses. People are not biologically equipped to feel its power, or see, or hear, touch or smell it (Caldicott). Not only that, it slowly accumulates over time in a dastardly fashion that serves to hide its effects until it is too late.

Chernobyl’s Destruction Mirrors Fukushima’s Future

As an example of how media fails to deal with disaster blowback, here are some Chernobyl facts that have not received enough widespread news coverage: Over one million (1,000,000) people have already died from Chernobyl’s fallout.

Additionally, the Rechitsa Orphanage in Belarus has been caring for a very large population of deathly sick and deformed children. Children are 10 to 20 times more sensitive to radiation than adults.

Zhuravichi Children’s Home is another institution, among many, for the Chernobyl-stricken: “The home is hidden deep in the countryside and, even today, the majority of people in Belarus are not aware of the existence of such institutions” (Source: Chernobyl Children’s Project-UK).

One million (1,000,000) is a lot of dead people. But, how many more will die? Approximately seven million (7,000,000) people in the Chernobyl vicinity were hit with one of the most potent exposures to radiation in the history of the Atomic Age.

The exclusion zone around Chernobyl is known as “Death Valley.” It has been increased from 30 to 70 square kilometres. No humans will ever be able to live in the zone again. It is a permanent “dead zone.”

Additionally, over 25,000 died and 70,000 disabled because of exposure to extremely dangerous levels of radiation in order to help contain Chernobyl. Twenty percent of those deaths were suicides, as the slow agonizing “death march of radiation exposure” was too much to endure.

Fukushima- The Real Story

In late 2014, Helen Caldicott, M.D. gave a speech about Fukushima at Seattle Town Hall (9/28/14). Pirate Television recorded her speech; here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qX-YU4nq-g

Dr. Helen Caldicott is co-founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility, and she is author/editor of Crisis Without End: The Medical and Ecological Consequences of the Fukushima Nuclear Catastrophe, The New Press, September 2014. For over four decades Dr. Caldicott has been the embodiment of the anti-nuclear banner, and as such, many people around the world classify her as a “national treasure”. She’s truthful and honest and knowledgeable.

Fukushima is literally a time bomb in quiescence. Another powerful quake and all hell could break loose. Also, it is not even close to being under control. Rather, it is totally out of control. According to Dr. Caldicott, “It’s still possible that Tokyo may have to be evacuated, depending upon how things go.” Imagine that!

According to Japan Times as of March 11, 2015: “There have been quite a few accidents and problems at the Fukushima plant in the past year, and we need to face the reality that they are causing anxiety and anger among people in Fukushima, as explained by Shunichi Tanaka at the Nuclear Regulation Authority. Furthermore, Mr. Tanaka said, there are numerous risks that could cause various accidents and problems.”

Even more ominously, Seiichi Mizuno, a former member of Japan’s House of Councillors (Upper House of Parliament, 1995-2001) in March 2015 said: “The biggest problem is the melt-through of reactor cores… We have groundwater contamination… The idea that the contaminated water is somehow blocked in the harbor is especially absurd. It is leaking directly into the ocean. There’s evidence of more than 40 known hotspot areas where extremely contaminated water is flowing directly into the ocean… We face huge problems with no prospect of solution.” (Source: Nuclear Hotseat #194: Fukushima 4th Anniversary – Voices from Japan, March 10, 2015, http://www.nuclearhotseat.com/2468/)

At Fukushima, each reactor required one million gallons of water per minute for cooling, but when the tsunami hit, the backup diesel generators were drowned. Units 1, 2, and 3 had meltdowns within days. There were four hydrogen explosions. Thereafter, the melting cores burrowed into the container vessels, maybe into the earth.

According to Dr. Caldicott, “One hundred tons of terribly hot radioactive lava has already gone into the earth or somewhere within the container vessels, which are all cracked and broken.” Nobody really knows for sure where the hot radioactive lava resides. The scary unanswered question: Is it the China Syndrome?

Following the meltdown, the Japanese government did not inform people of the ambient levels of radiation that blew back onto the island. Unfortunately and mistakenly, people fled away from the reactors to the highest radiation levels on the island at the time.

As the disaster happened, enormous levels of radiation hit Tokyo. The highest radiation detected in the Tokyo Metro area was in Saitama with cesium radiation levels detected at 919,000 becquerel (Bq) per square meter, a level almost twice as high as Chernobyl’s “permanent dead zone evacuation limit of 500,000 Bq” (source: Radiation Defense Project). For that reason, Dr. Caldicott strongly advises against travel to Japan and recommends avoiding Japanese food.

Even so, post the Fukushima disaster, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed an agreement with Japan that the U.S. would continue importing Japanese foodstuff. Therefore, Dr. Caldicott suggests people not vote for Hillary Clinton. One reckless dangerous precedent is enough for her.

According to Arnie Gundersen, an energy advisor with 39 years of nuclear power engineering experience, as reported in The Canadian on August 15, 2011: “The US government has come up with a decision at the highest levels of the State Department, as well as other departments who made a decision to downplay Fukushima. In April, the month after the powerful tsunami and earthquake crippled Japan including its nuclear power plant, Hillary Clinton signed a pact with Japan that she agreed there is no problem with Japanese food supply and we will continue to buy them. So, we are not sampling food coming in from Japan.”

However, in stark contrast to the United States, in Europe Angela Merkel, PhD physics, University of Leipzig and current chancellor of Germany is shutting down all nuclear reactors because of Fukushima.

Maybe an advanced degree in physics makes the difference in how a leader approaches the nuclear power issue. It certainly looks that way when comparing/contrasting the two pantsuit-wearing leaders, Chancellor Merkel and former secretary of state Clinton.

After the Fukushima blow up, ambient levels of radiation in Washington State went up 40,000 times above normal, but according to Dr. Caldicott, the U.S. media does not cover the “ongoing Fukushima mess.” So, who would really know?

Dr. Caldicott ended her speech on Sept. 2014 by saying: “In Fukushima, it is not over. Everyday, four hundred tons of highly radioactive water pours into the Pacific and heads towards the U.S. Because the radiation accumulates in fish, we get that too. The U.S. government is not testing the water, not testing the fish, and not testing the ambient air. Also, people in Japan are eating radiation every day.”

Furthermore, according to Dr. Caldicott: “Rainwater washes over the nuclear cores into the Pacific. There is no way they can get to those cores, men die, robots get fried. Fukushima will never be solved. Meanwhile, people are still living in highly radioactive areas.”

Fukushima will never be solved because “men die” and “robots get fried.” By the sounds of it, Fukushima is a perpetual radiation meltdown scenario that literally sets on the edge of a bottomless doomsday pit, in waiting to be nudged over.

UN All-Clear Report

A UN (UNSCEAR) report on April 2, 2014 on health impacts of the Fukushima accident concluded that any radiation-induced effects would be too small to identify. People were well protected and received “low or very low” radiation doses. UNSCEAR gave an all-clear report.

Rebuttal of the UNSCEAR report by the German affiliate of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War d/d July 18, 2014 takes a defiant stance in opposition to the UN report, to wit: “The Fukushima nuclear disaster is far from over. Despite the declaration of ‘cold shutdown’ by the Japanese government in December 2011, the crippled reactors have not yet achieved a stable status and even UNSCEAR admits that emissions of radioisotopes are continuing unabated. 188 TEPCO is struggling with an enormous amount of contaminated water, which continues to leak into the surrounding soil and sea. Large quantities of contaminated cooling water are accumulating at the site. Failures in the makeshift cooling systems are occurring repeatedly. The discharge of radioactive waste will most likely continue for a long time.”

“Both the damaged nuclear reactors and the spent fuel ponds contain vast amounts of radioactivity and are highly vulnerable to further earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons and human error. Catastrophic releases of radioactivity could occur at any time and eliminating this risk will take many decades… It is impossible at this point in time to come up with an exact prognosis of the effects that the Fukushima nuclear disaster will have on the population in Japan… the UNSCEAR report represents a systematic underestimation and conjures up an illusion of scientific certainty that obscures the true impact of the nuclear catastrophe on health and the environment.”

To read the full text of the rejoinder to the UN report, go to: https://japansafety.wordpress.com/tag/saitama/

Fukushima’s Radiation and the Future

Mari Yamaguchi, Associated Press (AP), June 12, 2015: “Four years after an earthquake and tsunami destroyed Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power plant, the road ahead remains riddled with unknowns… Experts have yet to pinpoint the exact location of the melted fuel inside the three reactors and study it, and still need to develop robots capable of working safely in such highly radioactive conditions. And then there’s the question of what to do with the waste… serious doubts about whether the cleanup can be completed within 40 years.”

“Although the Chernobyl accident was a terrible accident, it only involved one reactor. With Fukushima, we have the minimum [of] 3 reactors that are emitting dangerous radiation. The work involved to deal with this accident will take tens of years, hundreds of years,” Prof. Hiroaki Koide (retired), Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute, April 25, 2015. “It could be that some of the fuel could actually have gone through the floor of the containment vessel as well… What I’ve just described is very, very logical for anyone who understands nuclear engineering or nuclear energy,” which dreadfully spells-out: THE CHINA SYNDROME.

According to the Smithsonian, April 30, 2015: “Birds Are in a Tailspin Four Years After Fukushima: Bird species are in sharp decline, and it is getting worse over time… Where it’s much, much hotter, it’s dead silent. You’ll see one or two birds if you’re lucky.” Developmental abnormalities of birds include cataracts, tumors, and asymmetries. Birds are spotted with strange white patches on their feathers.

Maya Moore, a former NHK news anchor, authored a book about the disaster: The Rose Garden of Fukushima (Tankobon, 2014), about the roses of Mr. Katsuhide Okada. Today, the garden has perished: “It’s just poisoned wasteland. The last time Mr. Okada actually went back there, he found baby crows that could not fly, that were blind. Mutations have begun with animals, with birds.”

The Rose Garden of Fukushima features a collection of photos of an actual garden that existed in Fukushima, Japan. Boasting over 7500 bushes of roses and 50-thousand visitors a year, the Garden was rendered null and void in an instant due to the triple disaster — earthquake, tsunami, and meltdown.

The forward to Maya’s book was written by John Roos, former US Ambassador to Japan 2009-13: “The incredible tale of Katz Okada and his Fukushima rose garden was told here by Maya Moore… gives you a small window into what the people of Tohoku faced.”

Roos’ “small window” could very well serve as a metaphor for a huge black hole smack dab in the heart of civilization. Similarly, Fukushima is a veritable destruction machine that consumes everything in its path, and beyond, and its path is likely to grow. For certain, it is not going away.

Thus, TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company) is deeply involved in an asymmetric battle against enormously powerful unleashed out-of-control forces of E=mc2.

Clearly, TEPCO has its back to the wall. Furthermore, it’s doubtful TEPCO will “break the back of the beast.” In fact, it may be an impossible task.

Maybe, just maybe, Greater Tokyo’s 38 million residents will eventually be evacuated. Who knows for sure?

Only Godzilla knows!
I'm sure our own shogun will say it is all scaremongering... I will leave that to him. After all, he is the one who lives in Japan... If the article is basically correct I'm sure he will soon find out...
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Endovelico wrote:
What’s Really Going on at Fukushima?
by ROBERT HUNZIKER
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/15/ ... fukushima/

Fukushima’s still radiating, self-perpetuating, immeasurable, and limitless, like a horrible incorrigible Doctor Who monster encounter in deep space.

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Does not make much difference, Endo .. outcome pretty much sealed

Japan, without massive import of "immigrant", will Cease to exist (lets say in 100 yrs)

A war would expedite things

unfortunately

BTW, Japan, after that nuclear disaster, should have changed all their electricity generation to LNG and shut down nuke

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population of japan 127.6 million fertility 1.41
population of iran 77.45 million fertility 1.8 and dropping

japan could half in population over next few decades and still be more populous that iran which will also drop in population over that period.

its silly to think we are going to run out of japanese any time soon.. even if the population drops by 3/4 its still over 30 million people on a tiny island.
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noddy wrote:population of japan 127.6 million fertility 1.41
population of iran 77.45 million fertility 1.8 and dropping

japan could half in population over next few decades and still be more populous that iran which will also drop in population over that period.

its silly to think we are going to run out of Japanese any time soon.. even if the population drops by 3/4 its still over 30 million people on a tiny island.
noddy, last 20 yrs, 10 million Afghans in Iran and Tajik and Uzback and and .. present population of Iran probably 100 m .. and .. all central Asia and and, all of them Pomegranates .. and .. Shia population explodes "on command" as it did after Iran/Iraq war when Khomeini ordered so

Meaning, in yr 2150, Persia probably might have 200 m population and no trace of any Japanese

Learn ur facts B4 distorting it, noddy

and, noddy, FYI, this Japan and not Iran thread :lol:

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i used facts, as published ,as a reference point for your distorted nonsense about japan somehow disappearing - lets stick to those facts - 130 million japanese.

going to take a long long time for them to go away and that requires a flat line in the breeding, with no possibility of a baby boom ever happening again

only a fool would claim such things, im sorry tried to provide an example of how absurd it is, i also think spenglers claims iran is disappearing equally absurd but once again you and him have alot in common.
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Endovelico wrote:
What’s Really Going on at Fukushima?
by ROBERT HUNZIKER
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/15/ ... fukushima/

Fukushima’s still radiating, self-perpetuating, immeasurable, and limitless, like a horrible incorrigible Doctor Who monster encounter in deep space.

. . .

Maybe, just maybe, Greater Tokyo’s 38 million residents will eventually be evacuated. Who knows for sure?

Only Godzilla knows!
I'm sure our own shogun will say it is all scaremongering... I will leave that to him. After all, he is the one who lives in Japan... If the article is basically correct I'm sure he will soon find out...
The things that lefty and righty magazines* have in common are

1/ their gobsmacking level of scientific/technical ignorance,

2/ the willingness to believe and uncritically quote fakes and frauds masquerading as experts [Gundersen**, Caldicott], and

3/ the willingness to make up completely over-the-top scare stories to promote a particular agenda.

* come to think of it, true of the main stream media in general: ignorance and fear-mongering sells

** http://atomicinsights.com/arnie-gunders ... ima-event/
Comparison of the Chernobyl and Fukushima nuclear accidents: A review of the environmental impacts

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 971301173X

Abstract

The environmental impacts of the nuclear accidents of Chernobyl and Fukushima are compared. In almost every respect, the consequences of the Chernobyl accident clearly exceeded those of the Fukushima accident. In both accidents, most of the radioactivity released was due to volatile radionuclides (noble gases, iodine, cesium, tellurium). However, the amount of refractory elements (including actinides) emitted in the course of the Chernobyl accident was approximately four orders of magnitude higher than during the Fukushima accident. For Chernobyl, a total release of 5300 PBq (excluding noble gases) has been established as the most cited source term. For Fukushima, we estimated a total source term of 520 (340–800) PBq. In the course of the Fukushima accident, the majority of the radionuclides (more than 80%) was transported offshore and deposited in the Pacific Ocean. Monitoring campaigns after both accidents reveal that the environmental impact of the Chernobyl accident was much greater than of the Fukushima accident. Both the highly contaminated areas and the evacuated areas are smaller around Fukushima and the projected health effects in Japan are significantly lower than after the Chernobyl accident. This is mainly due to the fact that food safety campaigns and evacuations worked quickly and efficiently after the Fukushima accident. In contrast to Chernobyl, no fatalities due to acute radiation effects occurred in Fukushima.
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noddy wrote:i used facts, as published ,as a reference point for your distorted nonsense about japan somehow disappearing - lets stick to those facts - 130 million japanese.

going to take a long long time for them to go away and that requires a flat line in the breeding, with no possibility of a baby boom ever happening again

only a fool would claim such things, im sorry tried to provide an example of how absurd it is, i also think spenglers claims iran is disappearing equally absurd but once again you and him have a lot in common.
Indeed. Comic relief.
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"In the long run, we are all dead."

Oddly enough, some find this thought terrifying, others find it quite comforting.

People.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/ ... 8U20150627

“One thousand years ago China was a large sea-faring nation. So of course China was the first country to discover, use and administer the Nansha Islands,” Wang said, using the Chinese term for the Spratly Islands, which together with the Paracel Islands form the bulk of China’s claims.

“China’s demands of sovereignty over the Nansha Islands have not expanded and neither will they shrink. Otherwise we would not be able to face our forefathers and ancestors,” the normally taciturn Wang said in unusually strong comments.

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Speaking to academics and former officials, Wang said China could not face its children and grandchildren if “the gradual and incremental invasion of China’s sovereignty and encroachment on China’s interests” was allowed to continue.

He said U.S. ships took Chinese troops to reclaim the Spratlys after they were occupied by Japan during World War Two. Other countries only started occupying what he said was Chinese territory from the 1960s after oil was discovered.

“China is in reality the biggest victim,” Wang said.


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An impressive insecurity complex.
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Typhoon wrote:An impressive insecurity complex.

yes

but

justified


Why justified ?

Shall I post some pictures Chinese (and Australian and British) being "beheaded" by Japanese soldiers ? ?

So

CS

What would Japanese do if China (and others) did to Japan all those things done by Japan to China ? ?

China in history was never a war mongering nation, not the case with Japan.

And

China being "The Arbiter" of that space, South China Sea, a safer bet

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The Legacy of Heart Mountain

This is where my father was imprisoned, being forced to leave his graduate studies in Pharmacy at USC in Los Angeles

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Biracial Beauty Queen Challenges Japan’s Self‐image


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TOKYO — WHEN Ariana Miyamoto was crowned Miss Universe Japan 2015, participants said she stole the show with a saucy strut, an infectious smile and a calm self-confidence that belied her 21 years. But it was not just her beauty and poise that catapulted her to national attention.

Ms. Miyamoto is one of only a tiny handful of “hafu,” or Japanese of mixed race, to win a major beauty pageant in proudly homogeneous Japan. And she is the first half-black woman ever to do so.

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Even after her victory in the national competition, local journalists have had a hard time accepting her as Japanese.

“The reporters always ask me, ‘What part of you is most like a Japanese?’ ” said Ms. Miyamoto, who has the long legs of a foreign supermodel, but shares the same shy self-reserve of many other young Japanese women. “I always answer, ‘But I am a Japanese.’ ”

much more interesting @ link

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China's losses during WW II
35 million Chinese died during WW II Japanese invasion

(From China Daily)

During the 14-year Japanese invasion of China, the Chinese suffered more than 35 million military and nonmilitary casualties, accounting for a third of the total casualties of all the countries in World War II.

Military casualties during the invasion totaled 3.8 million, according to updated figures released on Tuesday.

At the 1937 exchange rate, property losses incurred by the Chinese amounted to more than $100 billion, with indirect economic losses of $500 billion.

The updated figures for Chinese casualties and property losses during the war and new research on China’s contribution to victory in World War II were released at a briefing by the State Council Information Office.

They also show that Chinese forces killed, wounded or captured more than 1.5 million Japanese troops in the war.

The figures form the second part of a survey organized by the Party History Research Center of the Communist Party of China Central Committee. The survey was launched in October 2004, and about 600,000 people have taken part.

Li Zhongjie, former deputy director of the research center, said: “The work started decades late and we should have done it earlier. We have the responsibility to tell our offspring the clear facts about the war.

“We want to tell people that the Japanese invaders committed so much slaughter, and the Nanjing Massacre is just one example,” Li said. “The survey method involved was mainly to consult and collect all kinds of archives, newspapers and research results from those years.”
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Wrong section. Should be posted in the whinging China section.

When the Chinese are equally diligent in enumerating how many of them died at the hands of their own during their civil war and the Mao era, much more than during the Imperial Japanese occupation, then I'll be impressed.
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Typhoon - A friend of mine in Boston sent these links about Japanese protests in the art museum. She doesn't understand this fetishism about the kimono and I don't either. Can you help us understand this? How deep is this sentiment, and it really Japanese or just Sino-American fussbudgetry?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/s ... story.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2015/0 ... story.html
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:Typhoon - A friend of mine in Boston sent these links about Japanese protests in the art museum. She doesn't understand this fetishism about the kimono and I don't either. Can you help us understand this? How deep is this sentiment, and it really Japanese or just Sino-American fussbudgetry?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/s ... story.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2015/0 ... story.html
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Not really much to say except that the protesters are nuts. Youth really is wasted on such young.

In Kyoto, for example, there are numerous companies whose sole business is to dress tourists, either Japanese or foreigners, in kimono.

If Kyoto natives, typically the most traditional and elitist of all Japanese,
are not only are not offended, don't mind, and instead approve of and actively promote such activities,

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it is difficult to understand why a bunch of American kids of non-Japanese descent are upset about it and presume to know better.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=kyoto+kim ... &FORM=PORE

Monet is part of the canon of Western high culture, so it is hard to imagine any Japanese being offended by the BMoFA kimono program.
Stepping into the dispute this week were several counterprotesters wearing kimonos, including some older Japanese women, who advocated for the museum to return to its initial “Kimono Wednesdays” programming. One held a sign saying “I am not offended by people wearing kimono in front of French paintings.” Another sign read, in part, “I welcome museum exhibits that share Japanese culture with the community.”

Etsuko Yashiro, 53, of Concord, who helps organize Boston’s Japan Festival, said she was there to share the beauty of kimonos with an American audience. Ikuko Burns, 79, who was born in Tokyo and has lived in Boston for 53 years, explained how she used to bring kimonos to local schools as a consultant for the Children’s Museum to teach introductory lessons on Japan.
“We actually do not quite understand what their point of protest is,” said Jiro Usui, the Deputy Consul General of Japan in Boston. “We tried to listen to those people who are protesting, but we think together with the MFA we should encourage that Japanese culture be appreciated in a positive way.”
Ken Oye, copresident of the Japanese American Citizens League’s New England chapter, had his own take. “This is a funny controversy,” said Oye, stressing that he was speaking personally and not on behalf of his organization.
Exactly.
“I’m a little bit disappointed by the other side,” she said, questioning what the protest had to do with Monet’s painting and chalking it up to the participants’ youth.
Translation: Polite Japanese for stop going on creating faux issues about things that you know nothing about [you presumptuous little sh*ts].
Listen to your more knowledgeable and experienced elders and do everyone a favour and p*ss off.

In my view, the most disturbing part of this incident is that BMoFA not only took the protesters seriously but actually acceded to their demands rather then simply escorting them off the property.

It is a part of a destructive trend wherein every imaginary grievance must to taken seriously and be considered valid as long as such grievance conform to certain political/social/cultural memes.

Other examples are the show trials by twits twittering on Twitter.

Apparently I did have a bit more to say . . .
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Kawaii hijab

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Japanese influence on Muslim fashion

http://www.boredpanda.com/muslim-lolita ... ion-anime/

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Nonc Hilaire wrote:Japanese influence on Muslim fashion
Interesting :)

Now for another example of cultural cross-influence :mrgreen:

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Edit: Yes, this is the Japan thread... My bad. :oops:
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Re: Japan

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An obvious PS job. The fabric folds don't come through on the logo.

Check out the link. This kawaii hijab thing is an authentic style/clique and not a costume. Perhaps it was a one-off women's party, but the quality seems much too high to be achieved without significant practice and too many women were involved.

I personally find the effect a charming expression of joy in God, but I'm sure there are plenty of fusspot imams who disagree.
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