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McKinder’s world island thesis. This is accepted geopolitical strategy since McKinder invented geopolitics as an academic discipline.

Jerusalem is the key. Has been since HG Wells wrote “The New World Order”.

Would Israel plan on controlling world shipping? Has been announced with port in Gaza.
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Would Israel need control of bab el-mandeb? Yes.

Would a US attack on Yemen and Israeli corruption in the Red Sea help? Yes, indeed.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/636B4FK1HxE


NYPD investigates Columbia "skunk" attack on pro-Palestine students


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QTawLmsQWfc

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:27 pm
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 9:38 am Calling Netanyahu a racist or Askhenazis racist has nothing to do with anyone outside of Jews, who at the end of the day recognize and define each other. Even Beta Israel and the Samaritans get degrees of recognition despite whatever internal disputes there are.

Jews for Middle Eastern people are the Hebrew tribe, Sephardic Jews, Middle Eastern Jews .. they Hebrew tribe

Ashkenazim are Europeans who took Judaism as a "religion".

As said before, HP an Atheist and looks at religion as a "hobby", respects it as long as it does not interfere with other people's lives.

Natanyahu and his friends, tried to take advantage of Holocaust credit, to empty Palestine of their original inhabitants (Arabs, Jews and Christians) and replace them with Russian and other "free loaders" .. West looked the other way, but now realizes that this can lead to a disaster for West, already happening.

The credit goes to Iran and mad mullahs.
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Well, the Jews know who they are and don't care how you and the mad mad mullahs would like to define them.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:55 am
Typhoon wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:58 am
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:36 am Wars are about money not religion or ethnicities. Palestine was an illusion that was no longer useful to its owners.

Netanyahu represents the Khazarian oligarchs working out of Israel. They lost Kazakstan then the Ukraine. Crushing losses.

Likud is moving for control of world shipping and McKinder’s world island. The overlooked part is Israel fomenting sedition in Ethiopia through Falasha synagogues in Somalia/Somaliland.
Where do you read this stuff?
Haaretz mostly. Their reporting has been excellent for decades. One of the few major news sources that is still credible. Some from independent reporters.

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In that case, it would be appreciated if you would kindly please provide links to the relevant Haaretz articles to support your assertions.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxYQ1lpupIw


Dramatic Khan Younis Battle On Camera


IDF no match to hard core fearless Palestinian fighters ..
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:38 pm McKinder’s world island thesis. This is accepted geopolitical strategy since McKinder invented geopolitics as an academic discipline.
Did not know about McKinder, so thank you for that.

McKinder - "The Geographical Pivot of History"
Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;
who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;
who rules the World-Island commands the world.

— Mackinder, Democratic Ideals and Reality [1919], p. 150
Seems a bit dated, to say the least. Also, not how events unfolded.
Frankly, after thinking about it, not even wrong.

No mention of Jerusalem.
A.F.K. Organski was more focused in his criticism. Those who have ruled East Europe, he wrote, have not commanded the world. "Extremists like Mackinder have gone too far."
Jerusalem is the key. Has been since HG Wells wrote “The New World Order”.
I know of H.G. Wells as a writer of science-fiction.
Jerusalem is a special place to those of the Abrahamic faiths, but that's it.
Would Israel plan on controlling world shipping? Has been announced with port in Gaza.
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Would Israel need control of bab el-mandeb? Yes.
Well, a second canal to the Red Sea is a very good idea as it would effectively double the volume of ships that could make use of the Red Sea shortcut past Africa.
Would a US attack on Yemen and Israeli corruption in the Red Sea help? Yes, indeed.
Well, better the Americans and Israelis securing freedom of navigation than having commercial shipping being held hostage by a bunch of Yahoos, pardon me, Houthis.

Anyways, I would argue that you give the current ruling class of 'Merkins far far too much credit for any ability in engage in long range strategic planning. So far their response has been completely reactive in this current round.

The last US statesmen to with the ability to do so, and to do so successfully, were George F. Keenan and George C. Marshall.

I'd be willing to bet that more than half of US federal politicians and senior bureaucrats could not point out Yemen on an unlabeled map.
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noddy wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:21 am the arabs are just lucky that the western centre left is so useless and uninspiring

this puts the angry right wing into isolation mode and leaves us without projected power.

they are then double lucky that Trump is lots of things but he isnt actually a make things happen fascist.

he doesnt have the raw machismo, the drive, the charisma , to pick an angry country up and point at something with vengence.

if one of those pops up in europe or america, shits going to change real fast.
i got this wrong.

whimpy centre left is prone to over pretending its tough.
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H.G. Wells was a leader of the Socialist Fabian Society, and a well respected historian. His “New World Order” was highly influential in 1940 and the term is still used by communitarians today.

An important thought leader in the development of Communism.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:41 pm H.G. Wells was a leader of the Socialist Fabian Society, and a well respected historian. His “New World Order” was highly influential in 1940 and the term is still used by communitarians today.

An important thought leader in the development of Communism.

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All real Giants of European civilization were in 18th and 19th century

1900+ many weird "pseudo intellectual" flourished in Europe, Marx etc .. they thought West center of universe .. and missed the big picture.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ij1eoy5QgoE

she scared, trembling

40 % of Gazans killed are children
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:41 pm H.G. Wells was a leader of the Socialist Fabian Society, and a well respected historian. His “New World Order” was highly influential in 1940 and the term is still used by communitarians today.

An important thought leader in the development of Communism.
I think I saw that film, titled "The Shape of Things to Come". It was science-fiction.

From Wikipedia, on "The New World Order".
One of the harshest critics of H.G. Wells's world state idea was the British author George Orwell.[8] Whilst both writers considered socialist alternatives to their shared political climate, Orwell complained that Wells had no interest in the realities of politics.[53] Orwell derides Wells's idealism in his essay Wells, Hitler and the World State,[54] saying that, ‘what is the use in pointing out that a world state is desirable? What matters is that not one of the five great military powers would think of submitting to such a thing’.[55] Another point of contention for Orwell was the role of science in Wells's world state. Orwell argued that Wells confused scientific advancement with progress in societal values.[56] For Orwell, this flaw in thinking made it hard for Wells to reconcile the order, planning and scientific encouragement found within Nazi Germany and his vision of a world state run by a scientific elite.[57]

Quite.

Just as Wokeism is reworked Marxism, Technocracy is a reworking of Plato's flawed concept of the Philosopher-King.

Thomas Sowell succinctly states the problem,
What I most disliked about Harvard was that smug assumptions were too often treated as substitutes for evidence or logic.
The idea seemed to be that if we bright and good fellows all believed something, it must be true.
One only need to look at the nonsense emanating from the ruling classes in Europe, Canada, and the US.
And last, but not least, PR China.

Perhaps one day, human nature will evolve beyond our primate tribalism, but certainly not in my lifetime, and that of foreseeable generations to come. In the meantime, communism / communitarianism will continue to fail in any attempt to apply it to society.

As for the Fabians, perhaps their greatest legacy was their influence upon Nehru, who created a massive bureaucracy the has held India back to this day.

Anyways, this is straying a bit far from the thread topic.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:07 am .

Conflict or Genocide ?


Makes sense
Conflict.
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Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:45 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:07 am .

Conflict or Genocide ?


Makes sense
Conflict.

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Disaster
Powerful speech by Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Chris Hedges



mad mullahs could not say better. :)
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:53 am
Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:45 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:07 am .

Conflict or Genocide ?


Makes sense
Conflict.

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Disaster
Powerful speech by Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Chris Hedges



mad mullahs could not say better. :)
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After reading Chris Hedges Wikipedia entry, I have to admire his guts to stand by his convictions, even though I completely disagree with with his view, along with his brave reporting efforts.

On the hand, you keeps posting links to text and videos by various politicians, think tank hacks, journalists, and NGO useful idiots all of whom hold strong opinions with regards to the current war in Gaza, while at the same time having nothing at risk - I think that the American expression is "having no skin in the game".

So as far as I'm concerned, their opinions on "what Israel should do" are worth exactly bupkes.

Golda Meir stated it best
If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image,
we'd rather be alive and have the bad image.
Hamas delenda est.
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Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:31 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:53 am
Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:45 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:07 am .

Conflict or Genocide ?


Makes sense
Conflict.

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Disaster
Powerful speech by Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Chris Hedges



mad mullahs could not say better. :)
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After reading Chris Hedges Wikipedia entry, I have to admire his guts to stand by his convictions, even though I completely disagree with with his view, along with his brave reporting efforts.


The confrontation between East and West is primarily Cultural .. "Cultural" means, western and eastern mindset, understanding and definition of terms etc are different.

Watching the above clip from Chris Hedges shows that the elite of West starting to understand the East, and that diminishes the likelihood of hard confrontation.


Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:31 am
On the hand, you keeps posting links to text and videos by various politicians, think tank hacks, journalists, and NGO useful idiots all of whom hold strong opinions with regards to the current war in Gaza, while at the same time having nothing at risk - I think that the American expression is "having no skin in the game".

So as far as I'm concerned, their opinions on "what Israel should do" are worth exactly bupkes.

Articles and clips posted show that Western and world sentiment has changed and the resentment is worldwide.

This wakening up of society is not only about Israel/Pali but mainly political as Joe does not believe anymore the ruling elite.

Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:31 am
Golda Meir stated it best
If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image,
we'd rather be alive and have the bad image.
Hamas delenda est.

Golda said this when world was still ruled by those who did those bad things .. now world is "multipolar" and ONLY those rulers will prevail who rule by justice and humanity, so, our beloved Jews should relax and let mad mullahs settle things :lol:
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Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:45 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:07 am .

Conflict or Genocide ?


Makes sense
Conflict.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3VWRBhl18EQ

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https://youtu.be/L58Ob2qBqI0?si=VhyjTEt873kwuuqH&t=263



US congressmen says Natanyahu thought he can annex Palestine by scare mongering and fooling Arabs about Iranian danger.

He says this was stupid.

Well, there always consequences for stupidity

Have said many times, best to "disarm" mad mullahs is establishing a viable Palestinian state.

Notion, f*ck the Arabs and their rising up, just threaten mad mullahs not to give arms to Arab revoting, is dead by arrival.
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Typhoon wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:31 am
After reading Chris Hedges Wikipedia entry, I have to admire his guts to stand by his convictions, even though I completely disagree with with his view, along with his brave reporting efforts.


Well, seems, after reading Chris Hedges Wikipedia entry, you respect Chris Hedges

if so, have a look :


"The Death of Israel :
How a Settler Colonial State Destroyed Itself"




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N9JkELfhGI :lol:

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Harvard
Group of Jewish leaders defends Israel criticism



A group of Jewish leaders has sent a letter to Harvard defending criticism of Israel from scholars and supporting the embattled co-chair of the school's task force on antisemitism ..
More than 60 Jewish leaders from across the country backed Penslar in a letter arguing that attacks on scholars like Penslar posed dangers.

The Jewish leaders called Penslar "a distinguished historian and a leading scholar of Jewish and Israel studies" who "provides valuable expertise."
In the letter to Harvard, the Jewish leaders said Penslar's knowledge about antisemitism was "unparalleled," and his perspective on Israel would help students have thoughtful conversations.

"We are deeply concerned about recent efforts limiting open Israel debate on college campuses. These initiatives conflate disagreement with Israel's policies with antisemitism."

Was waiting for this ..
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https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-iss ... 024-02-01/

U.S. President Joe Biden issued an executive order on Thursday that aims to punish Jewish settlers who attack Palestinians in the occupied West Bank following the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on southern Israel.

Biden's order establishes a system for imposing financial sanctions and visa restrictions against individuals who are found to have attacked or intimidated Palestinians or seized their property, White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said in a statement.

The order freezes any U.S. assets of those targeted and generally bars Americans from dealing with them. The State Department on Thursday also planned to announce the first four individuals hit by the order, two senior Biden administration officials told reporters.
Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, head of the far-right pro-settlement party Religious Zionism, was defiant in a statement on the Biden order :

"The 'settler violence' campaign is an antisemitic lie that enemies of Israel disseminate with the goal of smearing the pioneering settlers and settlement enterprise, and to harm them and thus smear the entire State of Israel," Smotrich said.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-11-16/


France calls West Bank Israeli settler violence 'policy of terror'

PARIS, Nov 16 (Reuters) - France on Thursday condemned violence by Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank, calling it a "policy of terror" aimed at displacing Palestinians and urging Israeli authorities to protect Palestinians from the violence.

U.N. figures show that daily settler attacks have more than doubled, since the Hamas attacks on Israel on Oct. 7 and the ensuing assault on the Palestinian enclave of Gaza.

"Concerning the West Bank, I'd like to express the strongest condemnation by France of the violence carried out by the settlers against the Palestinians," foreign ministry spokesperson Anne-Claire Legendre told a press conference.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international ... 855_4.html


Talk is cheap
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https://nationalpost.com/news/world/isr ... nian-state

.. Biden administration’s stance has apparently changed and the Saudis are emphasizing a pathway to a Palestinian state as a precondition for normalization.

A senior U.S. official told Axios that some inside the Biden administration believe that unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state should be the first step in talks to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict instead of the last.

Getting there

Looks like Wisdom prevailing

Credit goes to mad mullahs, they got the ball rollin
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Disaster


Richard Falk,
Professor of international law emeritus at Princeton University



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Falk

Falk was born into a New York Jewish family. Defining himself as "an American Jew" . .

Israel projects coming to an end .. Unfortunately
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settler colonial societies


True

Last Phase of European Colonization

Main supporter of Israel .. US, Canada, Australia .. settler colonial societies


'Middle East Could Explode' :
Europe's Terrifying Warning After U.S. Strikes In Iraq & Syria


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