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Typhoon wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:02 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 1:58 am
Typhoon wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 1:11 am
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:20 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:54 pm
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:38 pm Israel is selling Palestinean land, but only to Jews.
https://x.com/censoredmen/status/176496 ... JrDBjLl66A

They doin this since 80 years

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More sales are scheduled in the US and Canada. I would not be surprised to find out this is a Chabad scam on NA Jews who are mostly secular, reform or conservative types and really buy into the Israel as a Jewish homeland narrative.
When I lived in the US, I worked with a lot of Jews of various convictions. All considered Israel the homeland.

It's remarkable how none-Jews are so obsessed with attempting to define who the Jews are and are not.
And with Israel.

After not only surviving for nearly 80 years but thriving in the midst of hostile neighbours Israel and repeatedly winning wars started by them, Israel is not a "narrative", but a reality.

Only Western anti-semites and backward Muslim states have a need to pretend otherwise.

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Have said this multiple times but seems no sinkin in

Palestine is part of Middle East and Muslim land .. European Jews have nothing to do with it

Notion Jews in America consider it as their home irrelevant to Middle East.

For Humanitarian reason, holocaust, Middle Eastern people, Muslims, would consider to "accommodate" Ashkenazim in Palestine .. but it will be on Middle Eastern Terms.

Those days that West, Americans and Europeans could force this things are over .. Israel now is in a very weak position, in all respect .. wise people know when to settle.

West too in weak position as Global South, 7 Billion of 8 billion world population, not on Western side in this conflict, even "western street" not anymore with Zionists .. This whole thing is not anymore in American or European national interest.

Best recommendation for our beloved Ashkenazim is to fold your cards and "ask Middle Eastern powers to settle" , only "Middle Eastern powers", Muslims, can deliver a secure and safe settlement, and not Western powers (they discredited now).

The new state, a "Common Jewish & Palestinian State" will be one of Middle Eastern states, with ME interest at heart and not part of Western Camp ..


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How Palestinian issue is settled will be the most important issue in the "New World Order" coming.

World population watching whether "Western Colonial Powers" 1947 establishing the State of Israel "on other people's land", without consent of Palestinians, stands.

If it stand, it would be a model for other cases in the future.

This vitally critical for future "Rule of international law", as it will become an international law "Precedent".

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Nonsense.

Israel is deciding and will decide the future of the Gazans as they've made a complete mess of it themselves.
Gaza received billions in aid. The Gazans could have turned it into a new Dubai. Instead they supported a government that spent it on tunnels and weapons while keeping the Gazans impoverished.

That the Muslim nations experience cognitive dissonance between the claims of Islam and their own sorry state, especially when compared to the success of the "rootless cosmopolitan" Jews and Israel is their problem.

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Things beyond Gaza now

The existence of Present form of Israel now in danger

Zionist know this and want to create a "Fait accompli" ..


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-03-08/

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Chris Van Hollen Excoriates Netanyahu For Propping Up Hamas In Gaza To Divide Palestinians

During a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing last week, Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) spoke about Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu's plan to keep Hamas in power to divide Palestinians.

And

Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) says Iran neither financed nor armed Hamas ..

Rather .. Israel financed and armed Hamas :lol:

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Typhoon wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:02 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 1:58 am
Typhoon wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 1:11 am
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:20 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:54 pm
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:38 pm Israel is selling Palestinean land, but only to Jews.
https://x.com/censoredmen/status/176496 ... JrDBjLl66A

They doin this since 80 years

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More sales are scheduled in the US and Canada. I would not be surprised to find out this is a Chabad scam on NA Jews who are mostly secular, reform or conservative types and really buy into the Israel as a Jewish homeland narrative.
When I lived in the US, I worked with a lot of Jews of various convictions. All considered Israel the homeland.

It's remarkable how none-Jews are so obsessed with attempting to define who the Jews are and are not.
And with Israel.

After not only surviving for nearly 80 years but thriving in the midst of hostile neighbours Israel and repeatedly winning wars started by them, Israel is not a "narrative", but a reality.

Only Western anti-semites and backward Muslim states have a need to pretend otherwise.

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Have said this multiple times but seems no sinkin in

Palestine is part of Middle East and Muslim land .. European Jews have nothing to do with it

Notion Jews in America consider it as their home irrelevant to Middle East.

For Humanitarian reason, holocaust, Middle Eastern people, Muslims, would consider to "accommodate" Ashkenazim in Palestine .. but it will be on Middle Eastern Terms.

Those days that West, Americans and Europeans could force this things are over .. Israel now is in a very weak position, in all respect .. wise people know when to settle.

West too in weak position as Global South, 7 Billion of 8 billion world population, not on Western side in this conflict, even "western street" not anymore with Zionists .. This whole thing is not anymore in American or European national interest.

Best recommendation for our beloved Ashkenazim is to fold your cards and "ask Middle Eastern powers to settle" , only "Middle Eastern powers", Muslims, can deliver a secure and safe settlement, and not Western powers (they discredited now).

The new state, a "Common Jewish & Palestinian State" will be one of Middle Eastern states, with ME interest at heart and not part of Western Camp ..


And

How Palestinian issue is settled will be the most important issue in the "New World Order" coming.

World population watching whether "Western Colonial Powers" 1947 establishing the State of Israel "on other people's land", without consent of Palestinians, stands.

If it stand, it would be a model for other cases in the future.

This vitally critical for future "Rule of international law", as it will become an international law "Precedent".

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Nonsense.


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:lol: :lol:


National Summit to Reassess the U.S.-Israel "Special Relationship" @ National Press Club.


Sayin what HP sayin

Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

Giraldi is a recognized authority on international security and counterterrorism issues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJteHzFu1SA

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:18 am .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3itOp_qNMYg

:lol: :lol: .. No Comment
Him and Hamas decided to play the same game. It takes one to know one. They deserve each other, it is the competition they decided to join. The match is on. As such I commend them and wish them success, may the strongest win.

IDF however doesn't understand this game. They do play the game but also want to believe they play another game at the same time: the righteous good game of the victim. Now Hamas also believes same of itself: the good game of the victim. So basic symmetry is retained.

This is an eye-for-an-eye match with mutual consent. The type of contest where also half of the public joins the fighting enthusiastically. This is considered not fair, because we only understand games where blood happens in a deliniated area like a boxing ring or UFC cage. Such "clean" sports are different games however. Can't be compared.

In the muddled Meddle East every game involves fighters and victims from all over the place almost at random. Gangsters, competing gangs, a police force, army force, random bystanders at the wrong place at the wrong time, cheeleaders, hooligans and distant foam around the mouth verbal supporters. Such open source, open ended fights are like skirmeshes, bar fights, gang feuds, mobster rule. Like the Olympic games, just less organized and more free style. :P

Probably not much joy being sucked into such fights as an unfortunate bystander, but certainly more fun to watch for the far away public. Especially when efforts are made during the game to change the rules! Not many people have the flexibility to be in combat during a particular game and then suddenly some abitrary arbitors decide to change the rules and go from UFC to table tennis within 5 seconds.
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Parodite wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:18 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:18 am .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3itOp_qNMYg

:lol: :lol: .. No Comment

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Him and Hamas decided to play the same game. It takes one to know one. They deserve each other, it is the competition they decided to join. The match is on. As such I commend them and wish them success, may the strongest win.


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Don't know whether true or not (what the Rabbi says) .. but for sure feels that way :lol:


Parodite wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:18 pm

This is an eye-for-an-eye match with mutual consent. The type of contest where also half of the public joins the fighting enthusiastically. This is considered not fair, because we only understand games where blood happens in a deliniated area like a boxing ring or UFC cage. Such "clean" sports are different games however. Can't be compared.


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German Wehrmacht, marching in Russia, "Partisans" from behind the trees shot and killed German soldiers.

Wehrmacht hanged entire village


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3tMgf1a0Q

Following the launching of Operation Barbarossa, there were many more atrocities with villages being burned to the ground.

But following the end of the war, there were 18 German soldiers brought to trial in the Belarussian capital of Minsk. This included a number of German Generals who were condemned to death for their slaughter of civilians. The men were brought out to a gallows in front of a crowd of 100,000 civilians and they would be then executed on the huge gallows.

UN report says, so far, up to 17,000 children were killed in Gaza by IDF bombing.

All this documented, and zero doubt "war crime"

Unfortunately, US and West is implicated

'sweeping this under the carpet' would be setting "precedence" for future, opening the door of HELL

We will see what happens.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:18 pm UN report says, so far, up to 17,000 children were killed in Gaza by IDF bombing.
All this documented, and zero doubt "war crime"
Unfortunately, US and West is implicated
'sweeping this under the carpet' would be setting "precedence" for future, opening the door of HELL
We will see what happens.
Of course it is a war crime. All war is a crime because it entails out of control violence where groups of people engage in a frenzy of massacring each other.

A war fought with 700.000 dead and maimed soldiers is also a war crime. Usually young guys in the prime of their lives that are wasted as cannon fodder, leaving behind many mourning family members and friends. That is OK with you? Not with me, not at all. Who promoted these "soldiers only" and "decent" wars? Who or "what" masterminded, talked and pushed these youngsters into such horrific confrontations?

Of course wars tend and tended to go out of control completely: carpet bombing cities, massacring all males taking females as slaves, endless incidents of rape, torture and a field day for any psychopath sadist applying max cruelty getting off on it.

To make war less barbaric, excessive, is a laudable effort and appeal to a more civil behavior in general. Hence those conventions, how to treat POWs and avoid civilian casualties where possible. I do subscribe to them, of course, who wouldn't. But at the same time it invites back the devil through the back door, suggesting that war is OK when "played by the rules"!

That is an even more dangerous precedent, because the nature of a war will always be that in 99% of the cases it is not possible to play by any rule - which is the definition of a war. A game that went out of control completely and once blood is flowing and territory under threat, instincts and autonomous reflexive behaviors set into motion that are millions of years old, in all species of earth's history.

The war-switch is on, the kill-or-be killed mode active. Free will and noble thought are put on standby, because they are way too slow during an emergency.

Non-affected preachers and arm-chair angels of international courts interjecting their opinions and noble judgement is laughable, at best advanced stand-up comedy.

To end wars means preventing them, which begins with understanding the mechanics of what starts and fuels them. Once the fire of a war is spreading, it usually only ends when all fuel has been consumed, unfortunately.
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Parodite wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:24 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:18 pm UN report says, so far, up to 17,000 children were killed in Gaza by IDF bombing.
All this documented, and zero doubt "war crime"
Unfortunately, US and West is implicated
'sweeping this under the carpet' would be setting "precedence" for future, opening the door of HELL
We will see what happens.
Of course it is a war crime. All war is a crime because it entails out of control violence where groups of people engage in a frenzy of massacring each other.

A war fought with 700.000 dead and maimed soldiers is also a war crime. Usually young guys in the prime of their lives that are wasted as cannon fodder, leaving behind many mourning family members and friends. That is OK with you? Not with me, not at all. Who promoted these "soldiers only" and "decent" wars? Who or "what" masterminded, talked and pushed these youngsters into such horrific confrontations?

Of course wars tend and tended to go out of control completely: carpet bombing cities, massacring all males taking females as slaves, endless incidents of rape, torture and a field day for any psychopath sadist applying max cruelty getting off on it.

To make war less barbaric, excessive, is a laudable effort and appeal to a more civil behavior in general. Hence those conventions, how to treat POWs and avoid civilian casualties where possible. I do subscribe to them, of course, who wouldn't. But at the same time it invites back the devil through the back door, suggesting that war is OK when "played by the rules"!

That is an even more dangerous precedent, because the nature of a war will always be that in 99% of the cases it is not possible to play by any rule - which is the definition of a war. A game that went out of control completely and once blood is flowing and territory under threat, instincts and autonomous reflexive behaviors set into motion that are millions of years old, in all species of earth's history.

The war-switch is on, the kill-or-be killed mode active. Free will and noble thought are put on standby, because they are way too slow during an emergency.

Non-affected preachers and arm-chair angels of international courts interjecting their opinions and noble judgement is laughable, at best advanced stand-up comedy.

To end wars means preventing them, which begins with understanding the mechanics of what starts and fuels them. Once the fire of a war is spreading, it usually only ends when all fuel has been consumed, unfortunately.


Parodite, unfortunately you do not speak Farsi, otherwise there so many extremely interesting and high level debates in Iranian media, TV and Print .. I watch them.

Europe thinks Europe is center of "culture and civilization", many of my European friend (in debate) say so and I smile.

When Saddam was raining missiles on Iranian cities with chemical warheads (supplied by German and Dutch companies), with Iran having no defence against that, causing big panic and casualty , Iranian Generals went to Khomeini and asked permission to level Basra to the ground with artilery.

Khomeini said, we will not kill civilians .. and said NO

Many Iranian F-4 returned with full load of ordinance because they feared civilian casualty. Iranian F-4 made first a low pass and returned back to bomb to warn civilians to escape.

This is civilization

War is no excuse to commit "Genocide", there no excuse for killing children, non .. that is when civilization shows itself.

Why is West, Europeans and Americans, so afraid that Iran develops and has nuclear weapon ? ?

Reason is Americans and Europeans think Iranians are same as Europeans and Americans and would use weapon of mass destruction indiscriminately.

Iranians would not

Reason for this is Iranian civilization .. any Iranian, no matter believer or Atheist, part of civilization, anything an Iranian does, asks himself whether "God would be happy with that", whether God would approve .. that is a "proverb" in Iranian culture , "would God approve this ?"

Unfortunately you can not read Farsi to real Rumi, Ganji, Attar and so many Iranian philosophers .. their writing is centred on "Humanität".

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nar, they are just always super cautious against taking responsbility for it and getting blowback , always operate via proxies and plausible deniability, the symptons of a people long used to operating from a position of weakness within someone elses empire.

sad.

dont have any qualms blowing up ukrainian civillians with their drones and missiles because they dont think their will be any consequences and they can hide behind putin.

sad.

have no fear Azari, I was ambivlant about Iran before, but I now understand the depths of their humilation and needs for retribution, you have done a good job of convincing me.
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noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:31 am nar, they are just always super cautious against taking responsbility for it and getting blowback , always operate via proxies and plausible deniability, the symptons of a people long used to operating from a position of weakness within someone elses empire.

sad.

dont have any qualms blowing up ukrainian civillians with their drones and missiles because they dont think their will be any consequences and they can hide behind putin.

sad.

have no fear Azari, I was ambivalent about Iran before, but I now understand the depths of their humiliation and needs for retribution, you have done a good job of convincing me.


Sad to see you consider Middle East asking West to leave Middle East as "Retribution for suffered Humiliation"

Why should West feel humiliated if it packs and leaves Syria, Iraq, Persian Golf etc.

That a sign of "maturity" .. is "Gun Diplomacy" something to be proud of ? ?

And

All these talks of Iran "Proxy" an INSULT to Patriot Arabs, Patriot Syrians, Patriot Yemeni as if they idi*ts and need Iranian guidance ..

Arabs wanted to gain sovereignty after getting red of Ottoman shackles, did not happen, instead they fell into another "shackle" .. now they rising up, with Iranian arms to gain their sovereignty .. you arm Zionist new age crusaders , Iran arms the "resistance" .. why the complain ?

Is Israel American proxy (in reality YES), is Germany or Japan or Australia American proxy ? what were Australians doing in Afghanistan or in Vietnam ? ?

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only 25% of Israel is european settlers, the rest mostly come from the arab and african lands, escaping being dhimmis and warlord arab tribes or has been their long enough to be multi generational and a local.

you always lie and change the subject when I post the facts, so I dont really care :)

as for proxies, yes, allies are proxies - australia is very much an american proxy, it used to be a british proxy, we are a globalist social experiment, not a country, just like canada. we need a civil war or two before we become a real country, for now, like canada, it all goes along fine aslong the good times keep going.

once the good times stop, then its going to be interesting.

Iran is attacking european shipping lanes, sponsoring terrorists and blowing up eastern european children , and many other things besides.

own it.
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noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am only 25% of Israel is european settlers, the rest mostly come from the arab and african lands, escaping being dhimmis and warlord arab tribes or has been their long enough to be multi generational and a local.

Ashkenazim are 32% + Russian Jews in Israel = probably more than 50%

noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am
you always lie and change the subject when I post the facts, so I dont really care :)

:lol: .. you should care

noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am
as for proxies, yes, allies are proxies - australia is very much an american proxy, it used to be a british proxy, we are a globalist social experiment, not a country, just like canada. we need a civil war or two before we become a real country, for now, like canada, it all goes along fine aslong the good times keep going.

once the good times stop, then its going to be interesting.

:lol: .. come on, be positive , all will be fine


noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am

Iran is attacking European shipping lanes, sponsoring terrorists and blowing up eastern European children , and many other things besides.

own it.

Sour Grapes :)

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:03 am
noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am only 25% of Israel is european settlers, the rest mostly come from the arab and african lands, escaping being dhimmis and warlord arab tribes or has been their long enough to be multi generational and a local.


Ashkenazim are 32% + Russian Jews in Israel = probably more than 50%
so you admit, its more than 50% middle eastern jews running way from iran and the arabs, thats a start.
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:03 am
noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am
you always lie and change the subject when I post the facts, so I dont really care :)

:lol: .. you should care
you share a lot with mr p - very big on telling people what they think, then arguing with that strawman - the other person in your arguments doesnt even need to exist - you get on fine without them.
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:03 am
noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am
as for proxies, yes, allies are proxies - australia is very much an american proxy, it used to be a british proxy, we are a globalist social experiment, not a country, just like canada. we need a civil war or two before we become a real country, for now, like canada, it all goes along fine aslong the good times keep going.

once the good times stop, then its going to be interesting.

:lol: .. come on, be positive , all will be fine
I dont need to live in your childish world of national characterics and other such nonsense, I get no false pride because of where I was born, I find that worldview VERY creepy.

Australia (and Canada) have finally run out of luck and have hit the inflection point where immigration has out paced jobs and houses.

now we get to see what bad times look like, I fully expect some local grown "terrorists" - as do the government, they are terrified of the angry local population now.
noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 am

Iran is attacking European shipping lanes, sponsoring terrorists and blowing up eastern European children , and many other things besides.

own it.

Sour Grapes :)

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hmm ? why would I be sour about it ?

the americans commited atrocities with their proxies, the Iranians also do, its all documented in public.

Im not that fussed what bitter and twisted bullshit you need to tell yourself.

for all i know, its all deserved and proper - however - you cant kid yourself it aint war.

it is war, it will escalate, that is locked in now. nothing to do with me, Ill just watch it on twitter.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Dangoor


Renée Rebecca Dangoor (Arabic: رينيه دنكور) was the first beauty queen in the history of Iraq, being crowned in 1947. She was born in December 1925 to a Jewish Baghdadi family in Shanghai (Republic of China), and died on 9 July 2008 in London, aged 82.

She belonged to a distinguished family of Baghdadi Jews. Her father, Rhubarb Dangoor (1888–1962), was a prominent doctor in Baghdad, whose father was the Chief Rabbi of Baghdad, Ezra Dangoor (1848–1930). Her mother was Sybil Luna Dangoor.[1] Her paternal uncle, Eliahou Dangoor (1883-1976), father of her future husband, ran the Ezra Reuben Dangoor Print (established in Baghdad in 1904 by his father), one of the oldest in Iraq, said to be the world's largest printer of books in Arabic.[2]

She was born in Shanghai, where her family temporarily lived for business. The family moved back to Baghdad when she was still a child.[3]

Renée Dangor was crowned Miss Baghdad on 31 December 1946, aged 21. In September 1947, she was awarded the title of Miss Iraq. The celebration was held at the Iraqi Flying Club, during the New Year's Benefit Ball. In November 1947, she married her cousin, Naim Dangoor (1914–2015), with whom she had four sons, one of whom is British businessman and philanthropist David Dangoor.
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noddy wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:23 am
Australia (and Canada) have finally run out of luck and have hit the inflection point where immigration has out paced jobs and houses.

now we get to see what bad times look like, I fully expect some local grown "terrorists" - as do the government, they are terrified of the angry local population now.

Yes, something like that

That is growing pain when one grows too fast

Australia and Canada very big and natural resource rich country , Australia only 27 million population, Canada 40 million

Should not be any problem ..

Immigrants make Canada rich .. GDP grows, economy grows , a lot of talent , many medical doctors and specialist now Iranians from UBC .. all this good for Canada

Australia only 27 million people .. :lol: .. come on, you should be able to handle that, considering Tokyo a city of 40.8 million residents as of 2023


2003 was in Perth, Melbourne , Tasmania , Sydney .. very nice


Relaaaax

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Mass exodus threatened by chief rabbi if haredim are forced into military service
Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, the Chief Rabbi of Israel, has sparked controversy with his recent remarks on the compulsory drafting of haredim into the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). During his weekly lesson in Jerusalem on Saturday night, Yosef declared, "If they force us to join the army, we will all move abroad," signaling a potential mass departure that could shake the very foundations of the state.
Not all Rabbis agree:
Rabbi David Stav, Chair of the Tzohar Rabbinical Organization, responded to the Sephardic Chief Rabbi’s statements, saying:

"During this time of continued pain and tragedy for the people of Israel, where nearly every day we are witness to more and more of our children falling in defense of this land, every focus must be on defending and supporting service in our military. Any statement that encourages avoiding IDF service is a despicable moral stain and disgrace of God’s name."
Me thinks nobody should be forced into military service. What use is somebody not willing or able to fight. But since the IDF is vital to Israel's survival, those that don't want to participate in its defence should pay some price. Religious squatters are cool hippies, a nice spice to society and culture. But insisting that others must protect them... why should they then also have the right to vote?

Sadly enough, like all Priesthoods they feel superior and of greatest importance to the lives of lower-level others. Ironic reality is that Israel+IDF can easily do without them of course, not so the other way round. These Israeli bearded babies are very similar to the Iranian virgin mad mullahs. With mind control these spiritual aristocrats manage to have others take the bullets for them. Body guards free of charge. Would make more sense they leave Israel and join Naturei Karta.
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Parodite wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:51 pm Mass exodus threatened by chief rabbi if haredim are forced into military service
Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, the Chief Rabbi of Israel, has sparked controversy with his recent remarks on the compulsory drafting of haredim into the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). During his weekly lesson in Jerusalem on Saturday night, Yosef declared, "If they force us to join the army, we will all move abroad," signaling a potential mass departure that could shake the very foundations of the state.
Not all Rabbis agree:
Rabbi David Stav, Chair of the Tzohar Rabbinical Organization, responded to the Sephardic Chief Rabbi’s statements, saying:

"During this time of continued pain and tragedy for the people of Israel, where nearly every day we are witness to more and more of our children falling in defense of this land, every focus must be on defending and supporting service in our military. Any statement that encourages avoiding IDF service is a despicable moral stain and disgrace of God’s name."
Me thinks nobody should be forced into military service. What use is somebody not willing or able to fight. But since the IDF is vital to Israel's survival, those that don't want to participate in its defence should pay some price. Religious squatters are cool hippies, a nice spice to society and culture. But insisting that others must protect them... why should they then also have the right to vote?

Sadly enough, like all Priesthoods they feel superior and of greatest importance to the lives of lower-level others. Ironic reality is that Israel+IDF can easily do without them of course, not so the other way round. These Israeli bearded babies are very similar to the Iranian virgin mad mad Mad mad mad mad mad mullahs. With mind control these spiritual aristocrats manage to have others take the bullets for them. Body guards free of charge. Would make more sense they leave Israel and join Naturei Karta.


All these "so called rabbis" are not REAL Rabbis, they in this for money, for them this "Business" .. free loaders

"Israel", in Judaism, is a SIN, it is in Torah

Meaning a REAL Rabbi would not enter Israel

What's happening in Israel has ZERO connection with Judaism .. they want to "Invent" a Jewish People .. Judaism now a religion and not a people, same as Islam is a religion and not a people and same with Christians


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HP you are so funny :D your desire to help Jews understand themselves better. People who wrongly think they are Jews.. or Rabbis.. or... whatever. You should definately do something with your talents and become Jew-shrink! You probably make some very good money. Many Jews now in identity crisis. American lefti Jews insulted, ashamed... that their Israeli family members engage in genocide on Gazan civilians. Such a stain on their family honor! Intolerable!

Great advantage of individualistic West: I don't give a damn what other wooden shoe Dutchies do. It's their sin or there glory, not mine. You know the truth, especially as a Jew-shrink. From group-think to shrink is small step. I smell profitable business model.
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Btw HP, you must know why you will never convince me of anything. I don't look at things the way you do. I'm fine with how people self-identify as group member or as an individual. Their name, gender, tribal-ID, religious-ID, nationality whatever. People wear them like cloths and fashion statements.

But, in the end we are all just monkies who ended up living on some territory, one we will defend to the teeth if necessary. Like all animals do. No lion cares what other lions, other species, occupied whole or parts of same territory last year or in far away past. That is of zero interest or relevance. You need your territory, no matter the reasonable or overly fantastic ideas you have about yourself.

Somebody who breaks into your house, enters your territory and threatens to take away what is yours and rape your wife on his way out... you will smash his skull. Your name, your Iranian background, all your philosophies and opinions about a/b/c/... at that moment don't mean a thing, zero, nada. Maybe you just freeze with fear and horror. Same is true for anyone anywhere. Monkies need no shrink, just a territory.
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Parodite wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:26 pm HP you are so funny :D your desire to help Jews understand themselves better. People who wrongly think they are Jews.. or Rabbis.. or... whatever. You should definately do something with your talents and become Jew-shrink! You probably make some very good money. Many Jews now in identity crisis. American lefti Jews insulted, ashamed... that their Israeli family members engage in genocide on Gazan civilians. Such a stain on their family honor! Intolerable!

Great advantage of individualistic West: I don't give a damn what other wooden shoe Dutchies do. It's their sin or there glory, not mine. You know the truth, especially as a Jew-shrink. From group-think to shrink is small step. I smell profitable business model.


I consider the real "Judaism" more as a "weltanschauung"

. . a comprehensive conception or theory of the world and the place of humanity within it.

Rose up with (European) Ashkenazim friends, still good friends.

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Support in the US for Israel:

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Poll conducted by Harvard’s Centre for American Political Studies (CAPS) - not a friend of Israel.

US mainstream and social media give a distorted representation.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:07 am
Parodite wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:26 pm HP you are so funny :D your desire to help Jews understand themselves better. People who wrongly think they are Jews.. or Rabbis.. or... whatever. You should definately do something with your talents and become Jew-shrink! You probably make some very good money. Many Jews now in identity crisis. American lefti Jews insulted, ashamed... that their Israeli family members engage in genocide on Gazan civilians. Such a stain on their family honor! Intolerable!

Great advantage of individualistic West: I don't give a damn what other wooden shoe Dutchies do. It's their sin or there glory, not mine. You know the truth, especially as a Jew-shrink. From group-think to shrink is small step. I smell profitable business model.


I consider the real "Judaism" more as a "weltanschauung"

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Sure. But the Jews don't care what you think. They know who they are.
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Typhoon wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:56 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:07 am
Parodite wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:26 pm HP you are so funny :D your desire to help Jews understand themselves better. People who wrongly think they are Jews.. or Rabbis.. or... whatever. You should definately do something with your talents and become Jew-shrink! You probably make some very good money. Many Jews now in identity crisis. American lefti Jews insulted, ashamed... that their Israeli family members engage in genocide on Gazan civilians. Such a stain on their family honor! Intolerable!

Great advantage of individualistic West: I don't give a damn what other wooden shoe Dutchies do. It's their sin or there glory, not mine. You know the truth, especially as a Jew-shrink. From group-think to shrink is small step. I smell profitable business model.


I consider the real "Judaism" more as a "weltanschauung"

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Sure. But the Jews don't care what you think. They know who they are.

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These are your unscientific guesses, not based on evidence. :lol:

In fact lots of evidence Jews care what non Jews think of them, best evidence is Israel itself, running away from you guys witnessing you guys views of them not long ago ;) .. and .. they not clear whether they people, tribe, common religion, special interest .. lots of literature arguing every possibility who they

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Typhoon wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:50 am Support in the US for Israel:


US support for Israel - 2024 - Feb.png


Poll conducted by Harvard’s Centre for American Political Studies (CAPS) - not a friend of Israel.

US mainstream and social media give a distorted representation.


And you wonder why Iran, mad Mull*hs , winning without even lifting a finger

Poor American Joe

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