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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:20 am
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Want to send Debbie & Judy to the back of the bus. Don't think so.... Glad he was arrested: maybe some Jael* time will open his mindIsraeli female soldier accosted for rebuffing Haredi bus segregation
Jerusalem resident Doron Matalon says ultra-Orthodox man, 45, chided her for not moving to back of bus, calling her 'gentile' and 'prostitute.'
By Oz Rosenberg
A day after a massive rally in central Israel protested gender segregation and discrimination in Israel, a female Israel Defense Forces soldier reported being accosted by a Haredi man on Wednesday over her refusal to move to the back of a segregated bus in Jerusalem.
According to the soldier, Doron Matalon, a 45-year-old man asked her to move to the back of the bus, threatening her, and calling her "prostitute."
"I didn't want to move back, both on principle and because there wasn't any room. It's always stuffy and disgusting in the back," Matalon said, adding that "everything was fine, I was almost at my stop, and then the conductors came on."
At that point, the IDF soldier said, the ultra-Orthodox man chastised a woman who had come over to the front of the bus to have her ticket checked, saying: "You don't have to come up front to check your ticket, a woman shouldn't move to this side of the bus."
Jerusalem segregated bus Emil Salman
"And then he turned to me," Matalon said, and said 'you too soldier, move back, and then he called me a prostitute." According to the IDF soldier, the man was soon joined by other religious men in the bus, who proceeded to yell out "prostitute," and "Shikse "(gentile woman).
Matalon said that at that point she "felt threatened and a huge commotion began. I yelled out for the conductor to come quick, and two male conductors rushed in. They pushed him away from me and said: 'Why are you shouting, she's a soldier,' but he continued to be abusive."
The bus was ordered to stop in the city's Levi Eshkol Blvd, where the conductors called the police. Eyewitnesses reported that the Haredi men continued his disruptive behavior even after a police officer arrived at the scene.
All those involved were taken to questioning, with the ultra-Orthodox man the only one to be arrested following the incident.
"This isn’t the first time this has happened, I just asked for help this time," Matalon said, adding that she had experienced "worse incidents on this line," including one in which she was shoved off the bus when her stop arrived."
"I'm slowly calming down, but I'm not over it yet," the IDF soldier said.
Police sources indicated that the suspected was to be held until Thursday, at which point he will face a court remand hearing.
monster_gardener wrote:Penguin Pesters a Patriot Lady.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-female-soldier-accosted-for-rebuffing-haredi-bus-segregation-1.404158
Want to send Debbie & Judy to the back of the bus. Don't think so.... Glad he was arrested: maybe some Jael* time will open his mindIsraeli female soldier accosted for rebuffing Haredi bus segregation
Jerusalem resident Doron Matalon says ultra-Orthodox man, 45, chided her for not moving to back of bus, calling her 'gentile' and 'prostitute.'
By Oz Rosenberg
A day after a massive rally in central Israel protested gender segregation and discrimination in Israel, a female Israel Defense Forces soldier reported being accosted by a Haredi man on Wednesday over her refusal to move to the back of a segregated bus in Jerusalem.
According to the soldier, Doron Matalon, a 45-year-old man asked her to move to the back of the bus, threatening her, and calling her "prostitute."
"I didn't want to move back, both on principle and because there wasn't any room. It's always stuffy and disgusting in the back," Matalon said, adding that "everything was fine, I was almost at my stop, and then the conductors came on."
At that point, the IDF soldier said, the ultra-Orthodox man chastised a woman who had come over to the front of the bus to have her ticket checked, saying: "You don't have to come up front to check your ticket, a woman shouldn't move to this side of the bus."
Jerusalem segregated bus Emil Salman
"And then he turned to me," Matalon said, and said 'you too soldier, move back, and then he called me a prostitute." According to the IDF soldier, the man was soon joined by other religious men in the bus, who proceeded to yell out "prostitute," and "Shikse "(gentile woman).
Matalon said that at that point she "felt threatened and a huge commotion began. I yelled out for the conductor to come quick, and two male conductors rushed in. They pushed him away from me and said: 'Why are you shouting, she's a soldier,' but he continued to be abusive."
The bus was ordered to stop in the city's Levi Eshkol Blvd, where the conductors called the police. Eyewitnesses reported that the Haredi men continued his disruptive behavior even after a police officer arrived at the scene.
All those involved were taken to questioning, with the ultra-Orthodox man the only one to be arrested following the incident.
"This isn’t the first time this has happened, I just asked for help this time," Matalon said, adding that she had experienced "worse incidents on this line," including one in which she was shoved off the bus when her stop arrived."
"I'm slowly calming down, but I'm not over it yet," the IDF soldier said.
Police sources indicated that the suspected was to be held until Thursday, at which point he will face a court remand hearing.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yael
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AzariLoveIran wrote:monster_gardener wrote:Penguin Pesters a Patriot Lady.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-female-soldier-accosted-for-rebuffing-haredi-bus-segregation-1.404158
Want to send Debbie & Judy to the back of the bus. Don't think so.... Glad he was arrested: maybe some Jael* time will open his mindIsraeli female soldier accosted for rebuffing Haredi bus segregation
Jerusalem resident Doron Matalon says ultra-Orthodox man, 45, chided her for not moving to back of bus, calling her 'gentile' and 'prostitute.'
By Oz Rosenberg
A day after a massive rally in central Israel protested gender segregation and discrimination in Israel, a female Israel Defense Forces soldier reported being accosted by a Haredi man on Wednesday over her refusal to move to the back of a segregated bus in Jerusalem.
According to the soldier, Doron Matalon, a 45-year-old man asked her to move to the back of the bus, threatening her, and calling her "prostitute."
"I didn't want to move back, both on principle and because there wasn't any room. It's always stuffy and disgusting in the back," Matalon said, adding that "everything was fine, I was almost at my stop, and then the conductors came on."
At that point, the IDF soldier said, the ultra-Orthodox man chastised a woman who had come over to the front of the bus to have her ticket checked, saying: "You don't have to come up front to check your ticket, a woman shouldn't move to this side of the bus."
Jerusalem segregated bus Emil Salman
"And then he turned to me," Matalon said, and said 'you too soldier, move back, and then he called me a prostitute." According to the IDF soldier, the man was soon joined by other religious men in the bus, who proceeded to yell out "prostitute," and "Shikse "(gentile woman).
Matalon said that at that point she "felt threatened and a huge commotion began. I yelled out for the conductor to come quick, and two male conductors rushed in. They pushed him away from me and said: 'Why are you shouting, she's a soldier,' but he continued to be abusive."
The bus was ordered to stop in the city's Levi Eshkol Blvd, where the conductors called the police. Eyewitnesses reported that the Haredi men continued his disruptive behavior even after a police officer arrived at the scene.
All those involved were taken to questioning, with the ultra-Orthodox man the only one to be arrested following the incident.
"This isn’t the first time this has happened, I just asked for help this time," Matalon said, adding that she had experienced "worse incidents on this line," including one in which she was shoved off the bus when her stop arrived."
"I'm slowly calming down, but I'm not over it yet," the IDF soldier said.
Police sources indicated that the suspected was to be held until Thursday, at which point he will face a court remand hearing.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yael
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chief Rabbi of Israel, in Knesset, said, his dream is Islamic republic .. he said he envies Khomeini
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chief Rabbi of Israel, in Knesset, said, his dream is Islamic republic .. he said he envies Khomeini
monster_gardener wrote:Penguin Pesters a Patriot Lady.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/is ... n-1.404158
Want to send Debbie & Judy to the back of the bus. Don't think so.... Glad he was arrested: maybe some Jael* time will open his mindIsraeli female soldier accosted for rebuffing Haredi bus segregation
Jerusalem resident Doron Matalon says ultra-Orthodox man, 45, chided her for not moving to back of bus, calling her 'gentile' and 'prostitute.'
By Oz Rosenberg
A day after a massive rally in central Israel protested gender segregation and discrimination in Israel, a female Israel Defense Forces soldier reported being accosted by a Haredi man on Wednesday over her refusal to move to the back of a segregated bus in Jerusalem.
According to the soldier, Doron Matalon, a 45-year-old man asked her to move to the back of the bus, threatening her, and calling her "prostitute."
"I didn't want to move back, both on principle and because there wasn't any room. It's always stuffy and disgusting in the back," Matalon said, adding that "everything was fine, I was almost at my stop, and then the conductors came on."
At that point, the IDF soldier said, the ultra-Orthodox man chastised a woman who had come over to the front of the bus to have her ticket checked, saying: "You don't have to come up front to check your ticket, a woman shouldn't move to this side of the bus."
Jerusalem segregated bus Emil Salman
"And then he turned to me," Matalon said, and said 'you too soldier, move back, and then he called me a prostitute." According to the IDF soldier, the man was soon joined by other religious men in the bus, who proceeded to yell out "prostitute," and "Shikse "(gentile woman).
Matalon said that at that point she "felt threatened and a huge commotion began. I yelled out for the conductor to come quick, and two male conductors rushed in. They pushed him away from me and said: 'Why are you shouting, she's a soldier,' but he continued to be abusive."
The bus was ordered to stop in the city's Levi Eshkol Blvd, where the conductors called the police. Eyewitnesses reported that the Haredi men continued his disruptive behavior even after a police officer arrived at the scene.
All those involved were taken to questioning, with the ultra-Orthodox man the only one to be arrested following the incident.
"This isn’t the first time this has happened, I just asked for help this time," Matalon said, adding that she had experienced "worse incidents on this line," including one in which she was shoved off the bus when her stop arrived."
"I'm slowly calming down, but I'm not over it yet," the IDF soldier said.
Police sources indicated that the suspected was to be held until Thursday, at which point he will face a court remand hearing.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yael
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Israeli democracy must be dismantled and in its place a halakhic state, based on Jewish law, should be established ..
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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari but.................AzariLoveIran wrote:.
Israeli democracy has finished its role, and it must disassemble and give way to Judaism
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Israeli democracy must be dismantled and in its place a halakhic state, based on Jewish law, should be established ..
Yes, Joe, there are indeed more similarities between the two truly monotheistic faiths and the one where the various divinities in the Trinity are relatives of each other. But the difference, since you ask, is that in most of the Muslim world Salafists and the like are the majority, while most Israelis consider this rabbi a nut.
* Nemesis
* 08.01.12
* 12:50
Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.AzariLoveIran wrote:.
monster_gardener ,
with all due respect
am bit confused
If inhabitants of Israel don't follow and do not believe in halakhic Judaism
if so ,
what is the justification & essence of a Jewish State ?
in that case what does it mean Jewish (state)
Islamic republic is ISLAMIC .. is not secular but an ISLAMIC, " Iranian Shia 12 Emami, Shia Jafari " with all rules and regulation, including stoning for adultery and 4 wife and unlimited concubine
but
why have a Jewish state when it not Jewish
one can not argue Moses gave this land to us (Russian and Khazari) and at the same time saying we do not believe in Moses
look , MG
told you many times
those Zionist neither believe in Judaism nor practice Judaism .. Judaism just an excuse , they could be Buddhist and same story would prevail
and @ the same time argue somebody (Moses) promised them Palestine (Roman name)
meaning
for Israel to have a case to defend, Israeli (non existent, in reality apartheid) democracy must be dismantled and in its place a halakhic state, based on Jewish law, should be established
IMO, the rabbi has a case .. that was all hoax
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Consider the history...................why have a Jewish state when it not Jewish
Yes, Truemonster_gardener wrote:.
IMVVHO the most important criterion for who is a Jew is who the enemies of Jews consider to be Jews ....
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Orthodox leader murdered during Christmas celebration in Jaffa
Sunday January 08, 2012 10:04 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies
Orthodox Palestinian Christians in Israel had a somber funeral instead of a planned celebration on Saturday, which marks the day Jesus was born according to the Orthodox calendar, after a leader in the Orthodox community was killed on Christmas Eve.
Gabi Kadis (image by RFI.fr)
Gabi Kadis, the leader of the Orthodox Association, a lay organization of Orthodox Christians in Jaffa, was stabbed in the back by a man dressed as Santa Claus after leaving the church from a Christmas Eve service Friday night, according to local sources.
Israeli police say they have arrested six suspects, but no one has yet been charged in the case, and the motive for the stabbing remains unknown.
Tensions between right-wing Jewish extremists in Israel and Palestinian Christians and Muslims have increased in recent weeks, after a series of attacks on mosques and churches by the right-wing Jewish groups. So far, there has been no connection made between Friday’s stabbing and these recent attacks.
Kadis left the Christmas Eve mass at St. George Church, shortly after attending a service at a local mosque condemning the Israeli government’s recent decision to remove the loudspeakers from the mosque following a complaint by a friend of the Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s family.
At the assembly at the mosque, Kadis told the crowd “Today it’s mosque loudspeakers, tomorrow it will be church bells” – a reference to the area’s long-standing culture of respect for the three major religions that consider the land to be holy: Christians, Muslims and Jews. In the last sixty years since the state of Israel was created, however, the indigenous Christian and Muslim communities have been increasingly marginalized and forcibly displaced from their traditional holy sites and land.
A funeral for Kadis was held in Jaffa on Saturday afternoon, in lieu of Orthodox Christmas Day celebrations.
AzariLoveIran wrote:Yes, Truemonster_gardener wrote:.
IMVVHO the most important criterion for who is a Jew is who the enemies of Jews consider to be Jews ....
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that is why said Zionist and not Jew .. Hebrew tribe people believing in Judaism good people
Bad people are the Zionist
Like mingling Chingiz Khan with Buddhism
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Fair enough............ but see below......that is why said Zionist and not Jew ..
Sometimes............... Often even........ But not always.....Hebrew tribe people believing in Judaism good people
Hans Bulvai wrote:Where is the outrage...
http://www.imemc.org/article/62791
Orthodox leader murdered during Christmas celebration in Jaffa
Sunday January 08, 2012 10:04 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies
Orthodox Palestinian Christians in Israel had a somber funeral instead of a planned celebration on Saturday, which marks the day Jesus was born according to the Orthodox calendar, after a leader in the Orthodox community was killed on Christmas Eve.
Gabi Kadis (image by RFI.fr)
Gabi Kadis, the leader of the Orthodox Association, a lay organization of Orthodox Christians in Jaffa, was stabbed in the back by a man dressed as Santa Claus after leaving the church from a Christmas Eve service Friday night, according to local sources.
Israeli police say they have arrested six suspects, but no one has yet been charged in the case, and the motive for the stabbing remains unknown.
Tensions between right-wing Jewish extremists in Israel and Palestinian Christians and Muslims have increased in recent weeks, after a series of attacks on mosques and churches by the right-wing Jewish groups. So far, there has been no connection made between Friday’s stabbing and these recent attacks.
Kadis left the Christmas Eve mass at St. George Church, shortly after attending a service at a local mosque condemning the Israeli government’s recent decision to remove the loudspeakers from the mosque following a complaint by a friend of the Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s family.
At the assembly at the mosque, Kadis told the crowd “Today it’s mosque loudspeakers, tomorrow it will be church bells” – a reference to the area’s long-standing culture of respect for the three major religions that consider the land to be holy: Christians, Muslims and Jews. In the last sixty years since the state of Israel was created, however, the indigenous Christian and Muslim communities have been increasingly marginalized and forcibly displaced from their traditional holy sites and land.
A funeral for Kadis was held in Jaffa on Saturday afternoon, in lieu of Orthodox Christmas Day celebrations.
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Jewish community has White House address with Lew
By RON KAMPEAS/JTA
01/11/2012 12:37
Lew was chosen for his long years in government, skill as a multitasker, but Jews happy to have go-to man back in the White House.
US President Barack Obama Monday announced that Jack Lew, his director of the Office of Budget and Management - a Cabinet-level position - would replace William Daley as White House chief of staff.
Lew, 56, was chosen for his long years in government and his reputation as a skilled multitasker - he was top- budget cruncher for Bill Clinton before reprising the job for Obama - but Jewish officials were offering a sigh of relief for a subsidiary reason: Their who-we-gonna-call pleas were answered.
Since Dennis Ross, Obama’s top Iran adviser, announced his departure late last year, community officials wondered who was left to call in a White House that has hemorrhaged top Jews over the last year or so. Lew, an Orthodox Jew, is close to the community and is a go-to person for Jewish events in the capital.
“The reports that there's no one to talk to have always been exaggerated,” said Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice president of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.
Hoenlein pointed to Peter Rouse, a counselor to Obama who has served as acting chief of staff, as someone who has always been accessible.
Still, Hoenlein added, “Jack being there will be beneficial, it will foster communication.”
Obama launched his administration with a strong contingent of Jewish advisers: In addition to Ross, David Axelrod was his top political adviser, Rahm Emanuel was his chief of staff and Daniel Shapiro handled the Levant desk at the National Security Council.
Emanuel quit in late 2010 to run for Chicago mayor, Axelrod left soon after to help run Obama’s re-election campaign and Shapiro is now in Tel Aviv as ambassador.
That left a perceived gap in the White House -- one that Lew would fill, although Jewish officials stressed that they did not expect the attention from a chief of staff that they received from mid-level staffers.
“That's not the role he's going to play,” said Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, referring to the regular conference calls that Ross and Shapiro had with Jewish community leaders. “He will be an adviser to the president on all things and a gatekeeper, but to the extent the president will turn to him for his view, he has an understanding of the community and of its views.”
The Obama administration clearly wanted to push across the Jewish message; Shapiro Tweeted the news in Hebrew to his followers. Israeli ambassadors don't usually make a big deal of the appointment of a White House chief of staff.
Obama stressed Lew’s management savvy in announcing the appointment on Monday.
“Jack’s economic advice has been invaluable and he has my complete trust, both because of his mastery of the numbers, but because of the values behind those numbers,” he said.
Lew has become something of a go-to Obama administration speaker and guest for the organized Jewish community, particularly among Orthodox Jews. Most recently, he lit the “national menorah,” the giant hanukkia that graces the National Mall and is organized by American Friends of Lubavitch.
“As an American Jew, I can't think of anyone who has a deeper commitment to the United States as well as his own Jewish identity at the same time,” said Rabbi Levi Shemtov, who heads the Chabad group and noted that Lew occasionally stops by for Shabbat services. “His appointment obviously gives the White House an envoy to the Jewish community who is eloquent, respected, even beloved across the Jewish spectrum. That’s probably an added bonus rather than the core qualification.”
Lew interests Jewish audiences, in part, because of how he balances the 24/7 demands of being a top government official with the 24/6 Sabbath-observant lifestyle.
One incident involves a Shabbat call he received from President Clinton. He came home from synagogue and the phone rang. As was his practice, he waited until the answering machine clicked on to see if it was urgent enough to pick up. As it happened, it was a White House staffer telling him to ignore the earlier message from Clinton, who had been phoning from overseas and had forgotten that in Washington it was still Shabbat. The matter was not urgent enough to interrupt Lew's observance, Clinton told the staffer to tell Lew.
Going out of his way to keep Lew from breaking the Sabbath was a sign of the respect the president has for his observance, Lew tells people.
Another favorite line during his 1990s stint, when he lived in Washington - his family is now based in New York - was an exchange with clergy at Beth Sholom, a synagogue in Potomac, Md. Nathan Diament, who directs the Orthodox Union’s Washington office, recalled that a rabbi would suggest jokingly that Lew might want to run for synagogue treasurer. Lew would rejoin that directing the OMB was complex enough, thank you very much.
It’s a shtick that suggests a corny, old-fashioned sense of humor, but friends say it’s also one that is emblematic of his humility and cordiality.
“Everyone would recognize that Jack's management style and personality is noticeably different from that of the previous Jewish White House chief of staff,” Diament said, a reference to Emanuel’s abrasiveness.
An open question is how much harder it will be for Lew to balance family and Shabbat observance in his new role. He stays close to his daughter, Shoshana, who works at the Obama administration's Interior Department, but his wife and married son remain in Riverdale, N.Y., where they are active in the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, in the Bronx borough of the city.
His previous stints - in addition to the OMB post, he was also a deputy secretary of state under Obama - involved managing a 9-5, Monday-to-Friday bureaucracy. Aides say there were occasions that necessitated work on Shabbat - for instance, during negotiations with Congress last year aimed at averting a government shutdown.
Running the White House. however, means dealing with crises that have a bad habit of happening on weekends.
“It's a reflection of this administration's comfort with him and his being Jewish,” Foxman said. “This is a job that is 24/7 - but if there's respect, it works.”
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Rabbis and mad mullahs, mad mullahs and rabbis. Birds of a feather, flock together.JTA SPECIAL REPORT: HAREDI IN ISRAEL
JERUSALEM (JTA) – On the No. 3 bus line in Jerusalem, women passengers pay their fare and walk directly to the back to find a seat.
Men, most of them haredi Orthodox with long sidecurls that brush the shoulders of their black wool suits, sit in the front section. Behind them, following a space of about two feet separated by the rear doors of the bus, sit the women and girls.
The Arab driver tersely explains protocol as he begins his route through a string of largely religious neighborhoods toward the Western Wall in Jerusalem’s Old City.
“This is a ‘mehadrin’ bus,” he says, using the term for strictly kosher. “Women sit in the back.”
Even though an Israeli Supreme Court ruling has banned enforced separate seating, this is one of 63 private or public gender-segregated bus lines in Israel, according to Hiddush, an Israeli organization that advocates for religious freedom and equality.
“I wish all lines were like this,” said one haredi woman aboard the bus who appeared to be in her 60s. “This is about modesty and ideally how things should work in the Land of Israel. Chaos follows when men and women sit near one another.”
She added, “Baruch Hashem, maybe this is what will hasten the coming of the messiah."
The bus lines are one of the more visible examples of the growing segregation of men and women in the haredi Orthodox world, part of the larger, long-running battle in haredi society to keep outside influences at bay.
In Jerusalem, women have been excluded from billboard advertising so as not to offend haredi sensibilities, and a major haredi neighborhood enforced gender-segregated sidewalks over the Sukkot holiday.
Last Friday, hundreds of demonstrators, including Israeli opposition leader Tzipi Livni, protested the exclusion of women from public areas.
Culture.Typhoon wrote:
Why are ME religions so misogynistic?
Thank you Very Much for your post, Col. Typhoon.Typhoon wrote:Indeed.
JTA | Growing gender segregation among Israeli haredim seen as repressing women
Rabbis and mad mullahs, mad mullahs and rabbis. Birds of a feather, flock together.JTA SPECIAL REPORT: HAREDI IN ISRAEL
JERUSALEM (JTA) – On the No. 3 bus line in Jerusalem, women passengers pay their fare and walk directly to the back to find a seat.
Men, most of them haredi Orthodox with long sidecurls that brush the shoulders of their black wool suits, sit in the front section. Behind them, following a space of about two feet separated by the rear doors of the bus, sit the women and girls.
The Arab driver tersely explains protocol as he begins his route through a string of largely religious neighborhoods toward the Western Wall in Jerusalem’s Old City.
“This is a ‘mehadrin’ bus,” he says, using the term for strictly kosher. “Women sit in the back.”
Even though an Israeli Supreme Court ruling has banned enforced separate seating, this is one of 63 private or public gender-segregated bus lines in Israel, according to Hiddush, an Israeli organization that advocates for religious freedom and equality.
“I wish all lines were like this,” said one haredi woman aboard the bus who appeared to be in her 60s. “This is about modesty and ideally how things should work in the Land of Israel. Chaos follows when men and women sit near one another.”
She added, “Baruch Hashem, maybe this is what will hasten the coming of the messiah."
The bus lines are one of the more visible examples of the growing segregation of men and women in the haredi Orthodox world, part of the larger, long-running battle in haredi society to keep outside influences at bay.
In Jerusalem, women have been excluded from billboard advertising so as not to offend haredi sensibilities, and a major haredi neighborhood enforced gender-segregated sidewalks over the Sukkot holiday.
Last Friday, hundreds of demonstrators, including Israeli opposition leader Tzipi Livni, protested the exclusion of women from public areas.
Why are ME religions so misogynistic?
IMHO close but not quite: there are female rabbis in Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist Judaism and even a very few in Orthodox Judaism.Rabbis and mad mullahs, mad mullahs and rabbis. Birds of a feather, flock together.
My guess is that it has a lot to do with the fact that much of the competition for YHVH and whoever Allah is, came from female goddesses: Queen of Heaven, Astarte etc.......... The prophets in the OT/Tanakh complain about it constantly................Why are ME religions so misogynistic?
Most cultures around the world have a long term trend of greater roles in public life for women.Nonc Hilaire wrote:Culture.Typhoon wrote:
Why are ME religions so misogynistic?
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proposed building homes for Jewish settlers on state- owned land in the West Bank to replace houses in the adjacent outpost of Migron, which a court has declared illegal.
Netanyahu discussed the proposal today at a Cabinet meeting in Jerusalem following an Israeli court order that the current homes must be demolished by March 31, his office said in a text message.
Netanyahu’s government said 10 months ago that all outposts like Migron that were built illegally on private Palestinian land would be removed by the end of 2011. Army efforts to evacuate the outposts have led to violent conflicts with settlers. Migron is home to about 50 families and is not among the approximately 100 settlements in the West Bank that have been authorized by the Israeli government.
The Palestinian Authority, the United Nations and the U.S. consider all Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal. Israeli-Palestinian broke down in September 2010 after Netanyahu refused to renew a 10-month freeze on settlement-building and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas ruled out negotiations while West Bank construction continues.
“The settlements are illegal but Netanyahu is using this to try to legalize them at a time when he is being criticized by the whole world,” chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said in a telephone interview.
My best guess is poverty and powerlessness lead to a cultural amnesiac nostalgia.Typhoon wrote:Most cultures around the world have a long term trend of greater roles in public life for women.Nonc Hilaire wrote:Culture.Typhoon wrote:
Why are ME religions so misogynistic?
Why is the ME notably different in trying to turn the clock back?
However, the Haredi in Israel are neither impoverished or powerless.Nonc Hilaire wrote:My best guess is poverty and powerlessness lead to a cultural amnesiac nostalgia.Typhoon wrote:Most cultures around the world have a long term trend of greater roles in public life for women.Nonc Hilaire wrote:Culture.Typhoon wrote:
Why are ME religions so misogynistic?
Why is the ME notably different in trying to turn the clock back?
Two points here:Typhoon wrote:Most cultures around the world have a long term trend of greater roles in public life for women.Nonc Hilaire wrote:Culture.Typhoon wrote:
Why are ME religions so misogynistic?
Why is the ME notably different in trying to turn the clock back?
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Asked about new cross-European trends of modern anti-Semitism, Kantor said that research, which he initiated by Tel Aviv University’s watchdog on European anti-Semitism, shows numerous Iranian-funded NGO’s are “behind the publication and encouragement of anti-Semitism.”
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