Egyptian Presidential Election

[monster_gardener]

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"If we find that Scaf stands firm against us as we try to fulfil the demands of the revolution, we will go back to the streets and escalate things peacefully to the highest possible stage,"

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"Over the past 18 months we were very keen to avoid any clashes or confrontations with other components of Egypt's political system because we felt that it would have negative consequences for the democratic system and for society as a whole," . . . . "But now it's very clear that Scaf and other institutions of the state are determined to stand in the way of what we're trying to achieve, and we won't accept this any more. Egypt will not go back to the old regime through any means, legal or illegal.

"The revolution is facing a life or death moment and the Egyptian people have put their faith in Dr Morsi to represent them at this time."

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Hmmmm


Rhubarb , what is your take ? ?

Why you keepin silent ? ?

you relaaaxed , Morsi our SOB ?


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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis

a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.

Reminds me a bit of the Islamist goons of the Middle East such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the wannabe religious policemen seen in Egypt and the Ayatollah Khomenei and his Green Book which I have read.........

Somehow Mubarak doesn't seem that bad by comparison..........

To be fair Wilsonian Uz can be that way too ... George W.W. ...... Bush... Trying to teach Democracy to people who really do not want it that much......

Perhaps it would have been much better if our goal in Afghanistan had been simply to kill Osama and his Al Queda buddies, thoroughly trash the Taliban and all its works/infrastructure for harboring them and not handing them over.......... And then leave.....

[Hans Bulvai]

Somehow Mubarak doesn't seem that bad by comparison..........

Tell that to them...
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[AzariLoveIran]

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ElBaradei : Egypt ‘on the verge of explosion’



ElBaradei is the only chance Egypt has



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[Nonc Hilaire]

What will happen to Mubarak?

Would the Egyptian military follow the dictates of the Muslim Brotherhood?

All other questions seem secondary.

[AzariLoveIran]

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Tahrir Live



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[AzariLoveIran]

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- Military said they going to crush Tahrir protests

- Sunday military planing to announce Shafiq presidential winner

- ElBaradei saying Egypt ready to explode

- Muslim Brotherhood saying they won election

- Dennis Ross saying, Rhubarb, relaax, everything under control





Tahrir Live



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[Mr. Perfect]

I'm really loving this Azari. I'm having the time of my life.

[Azrael]

It may be better for Egyptian democracy if Shafik wins. If Morsi wins, most likely the Muslim brotherhood would cut a deal with the military and the revolution would be over.

[Mr. Perfect]

More Arab Spring please .

[AzariLoveIran]

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I'm really loving this Azari. I'm having the time of my life.

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you too make more and more sense Mr. Perfect

yes, true, was a mistake voting for Hussein Barak .. he sold out all those naive thinking things will change, betrayed American dream

voting for Reps .. Iranians always liked Reps .. poor Nixon, poor Nixon

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It may be better for Egyptian democracy if Shafik wins. If Morsi wins, most likely the Muslim brotherhood would cut a deal with the military and the revolution would be over.

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Yes, fully agree

my take is

Shafig represent Egyptian nationalist faction

Morsi represent faction that west installing in Libya, Tunis, trying to instal in Syria and and .. CIA groomed, Wahhabi bankrolled, special agents on a mission to fool Arab mass for another generation or two

Neither Shafig nor Morsi will succeed in long term .. they both Western cronies

Mohamed Mustafa ElBaradei only genuine chance Arabs have

But

West does not want Arab resurrection

West wants Arab subservient .. Sheiks

need (a new) Salahodin Ayubi .. comin



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[AzariLoveIran]

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I'm really loving this Azari.

I'm having the time of my life.

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MP, wake up B4 the whole thing fucked



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[Mr. Perfect]

Azari (did not watch the video), have to admit, every time I think I have grasped the phenomenal jew brain they go and outdo themselves. I think right now the jews are just toying with the ME, causing Arab Spring/Nightmare as a simple simulation, a stretching of the legs. An exercise. How they do it, and do it so well, over my little head. That is why they are in charge and not me. I will do what they ask of me though. Amazing how quick they adapt and then outperform. They learn so quickly. Amazing people.

[AzariLoveIran]

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(did not watch the video)

how can you respond when you did not watch the video

pls watch it, it does not bite

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Azari (did not watch the video), have to admit, every time I think I have grasped the phenomenal jew brain they go and outdo themselves. I think right now the jews are just toying with the ME, causing Arab Spring/Nightmare as a simple simulation, a stretching of the legs. An exercise. How they do it, and do it so well, over my little head. That is why they are in charge and not me. I will do what they ask of me though. Amazing how quick they adapt and then outperform. They learn so quickly. Amazing people.

MP, the video is not about ME or Palestinians or Iran

it is about America

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all what you saying about Rhubarb brain power and stretching of the legs and amazing people

all true .. and .. very vividly demonstrated in above video

it is not about ME , it is about YOU (source of all tragedies)

watch the video and comment


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[AzariLoveIran]

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what sham


A gathering of secular-leaning politicians criticized on Saturday what they said was U.S. meddling on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood.



Welcome to "Arab dark ages" Phase-II



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[planctom]

There is a thread about the Egiptian election, why dón´t you post it there, ALI?

I remember some time ago that liberals said the MB was dead,would never become a important political force.Waal...
Like M.P. said in another post, More Arab Spring, please!

[AzariLoveIran]

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There is a thread about the Egyptian election, why dón´t you post it there, ALI ?

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Egyptian election is closed

now, Egypt entering a new dark ages

that needs a new thread


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[Milo]

The Arab world never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

More opportunities please!

[Azrael]

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I'm really loving this Azari. I'm having the time of my life.

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you too make more and more sense Mr. Perfect

yes, true, was a mistake voting for Hussein Barak .. he sold out all those naive thinking things will change, betrayed American dream

voting for Reps .. Iranians always liked Reps .. poor Nixon, poor Nixon

The Saudis and other Gulf Sheiks love the Bush family.

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It may be better for Egyptian democracy if Shafik wins. If Morsi wins, most likely the Muslim brotherhood would cut a deal with the military and the revolution would be over.

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Yes, fully agree

my take is

Shafig represent Egyptian nationalist faction

Morsi represent faction that west installing in Libya, Tunis, trying to instal in Syria and and .. CIA groomed, Wahhabi bankrolled, special agents on a mission to fool Arab mass for another generation or two

Bingo!

Neither Shafig nor Morsi will succeed in long term .. they both Western cronies

Mohamed Mustafa ElBaradei only genuine chance Arabs have

But

West does not want Arab resurrection

West wants Arab subservient .. Sheiks

Yes, the Sheiks have certainly been profitable for western fat cats. Notice the silence over the slaughter of nonviolent pro democracy protestors in Bahrain. They don't really want democracy.

Need (a new) Salahodin Ayubi .. comin



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I doubt that will happen.

[Azrael]

There is a thread about the Egiptian election, why dón´t you post it there, ALI?

I remember some time ago that liberals said the MB was dead,would never become a important political force.

Who said that? That sounds like a straw man argument.

[Mr. Perfect]

I can't wait for Ibs to ramble in here and declare us all racists because of the election results. I can't wait.

[Azrael]

Nobody is calling you a racist because of the result of the election. They have other reasons to do so.

[monster_gardener]

Somehow Mubarak doesn't seem that bad by comparison..........

Tell that to them...
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Thank you Very Much for your post, Hans.

What I would tell them at this point is to leave Crazyland a.k.a. the Middle East if you can.....

And leave behind what makes Crazyland Crazyland....

Food recipes are fine........ Qutb not so much........

FWIW the clips look unpleasant....

First one reminded me a bit of Rodney King.....though Rodney.... never mind....

The second one strangely reminded me of the gravity boots some people use to relax here...... and on occasion die in......... a case I saw on "1000 Ways to Die".......

My impression is that Mubarak was largely a nationalist robber baron who really didn't care that much unless you messed with him or got in his way.....*

And that what did in Mubarak was the damned food speculators on Wall Street so that he couldn't buy off the Arab Street anymore with cheap food......... Still remember seeing an Egyptian farmer feeding Uz subsidized bread to goats decades ago.....

Mubarak was NOT a nice guy but AFAIK IMVHO not a control freak like the fanatic Islamic types are......

You know, things like saying you can't escape from a fire unless you are properly dressed....

AIUI just like in "Don't Get Fooled Again", the beards (and prayer bruises) have grown longer overnight.......... At 4:36..................

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Actually the New Boss is likely to be worse than the Old Boss..........

FWIW, I could use some context on the video clips....... I google translated the Arabic notes from the 2nd one with this result.....

Event clips of torture in Egypt

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Isolation

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[Mr. Perfect]

Nobody is calling you a racist because of the result of the election. They have other reasons to do so.

Really. Like what. Please be specific.

[Ibrahim]

It may be better for Egyptian democracy if Shafik wins. If Morsi wins, most likely the Muslim brotherhood would cut a deal with the military and the revolution would be over.

Now Morsy has won, but if the military respects the result of the election and relinquishes power then what is that but democracy? And if they don't then what is that but the denial of democracy, which will in turn mean the extension of the revolution?

The real test is always succession. Assuming Morsy has some powers, and the new parliament gets to draft some kind of constitution, the test will be, as it always is, whether or not that constitution would be observed, and if Morsy accepts defeat in subsequent open elections allowing the change of power along with electoral will that is essential in a democracy.


But the mere fact of the Muslim Brotherhood's existence doesn't really have anything to do with the electoral process or democracy.

[Ibrahim]

The Arab world never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

More opportunities please!

What do you mean by this vague claim, Milo? One would almost think that you avoid making specific statements as much as you can, because when you do make specific claims they tend to be embarrassingly wrong.