AzariLoveIran wrote:monster_gardener wrote:.
*Reminds me of Spengler's story about how a Mullah told a woman who asked what the Muslim Paradise was like for women, told her that it was like an eternal shopping trip
....... Which prompted me to speculate that Hell for the men might consist in going on that eternal shopping trip with the women
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a good one, Monster
2 things
Only Shia have Mullah (leading to Ayatollah) .. Sunni do not have (divine) clergy
and
saying to a woman, in paradise woman will be on "eternal shopping" trip, shows the pragmatism in Shia, adapting paradise to needs of the time (and individual), definition of reformation
and
shows different mindset of Iranian and those tribes of Arabia
for tribes of Arabia, paradise is "blond blue eye endless virgins that stay virgin despite"
interesting
if being devote Muslim (or any religion) is for love of G_D (what G_D represents), a Muslim believer should consider paradise as a place where he/she can entirely devote to G_D, without earthy needs .. but , NO .. the devote Muslim looking for sexual orgies and and and, all things he was dreaming of on earth but could not get but hopefully will get in paradise
what does this say ? ?
It does not say much about Islam
what it says, is, that believer no believer in goodness of G_D, but looking for goodies for not being nasty right now
that universal and not a Muslim phenomena .. notion, G_D rewards you if you a good human, therefore "rich people" must be (good human beings and therefor) liked by G_D (because G_D has rewarded them with wealth), Calvinism, and similar in Judaism
what that says, is, the quality of the believers
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Thank you VERY Much for your post and the Kind Words, Azari........
Good post otherwise... too....... Good questions.........
I am glad that this fool was able to amuse.... Even though it was someone else's material.......... Unless Earl stole one of the cukes and I didn't notice........
I am not completely sure that it was a Mullah......... When I tried to go to Spengler Board to check, the Anti Malware alarm went off.... Could have been an Imam...
a Muslim believer should consider paradise as a place where he/she can entirely devote to G_D, without earthy needs .
That sounds more like the Buddhist Pure Land.........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Land_ ... _Pure_Land
A Methodist Minister friend of mine, gave me a laugh when she said in a sermon, "Most people's religion is Fire Insurance"
Very True...........
IMVHO while we Christians have grace, we also tend to emphasize the stick more than the carrot........
While Muslims add more carrots or rather the raisins
..........
We are supposed to love G_d/Good rather than doing it for the Raisins/Girls
AIUI Muslims believe that we are born good........ all Muslims at birth but our parents mess us up into in sinners / Agnostics, Athiests, Buddhists, Christians, Confuciians, Hindus, Jews. Pagans, Shintos, Sikhs, Zoroastians and Just Not Know or Care..
Christians contend the opposite...... We are born with a depraved sinful nature and need to get it fixed......
IMVHO Fire insurance is not bad......... or as bad at least..... It's one of the things that restrains our depraved sinful killer ape natures.........
And I don't count on being up to Rabia's rabid
devotion to G_d
"O God! If I worship You for fear of Hell, burn me in Hell,
and if I worship You in hope of Paradise, exclude me from Paradise.
But if I worship You for Your Own sake,
grudge me not Your everlasting Beauty.”
at least not in her way..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabia_Basri
that universal and not a Muslim phenomena .. notion, G_D rewards you if you a good human, therefore "rich people" must be (good human beings and therefor) liked by G_D (because G_D has rewarded them with wealth), Calvinism, and similar in Judaism
what that says, is, the quality of the believers
Some think that way but............
IMVHO Not so much......... Or at least you better not count on it.........
Job of Uz :Wink: is a classic example* and so is St. Paul..... amazing that such a little guy could take so much punishment and survive things like stoning.....**
FWIW Calvinists/Presbyterians will also remind you that except for G_D's Grace..... you are dead in your sins....
Or as I like to put it... Undead
in your sins..
And they are BIG
on St. Paul...........
There is also a passage warning against deferring to the rich......... Not that the poor aren't depraved sinners too....
Some of the early Christians were rich or at least well off enough to have a tomb........ Lazarus, Joanna the wife of Herod's CFO
etc.......
But don't count on keeping it...... In Uz you may lose your job
and end up like Job.....
*Yeah he got it all back at the end but I wonder how his kids felt about it........
**Reminds me a bit of the Energizer Bunny & a Timex Watch........