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You had no idea how the Quran began when you made your initial false claim, Not true. As said, last year I did read the first 30 or so pages. That is why I could claim what I did and show the texts that made me claim it. It is perfectly OK Ibrahim if you don't feel the same way about those texts an...

The point is that it is local cultural beliefs and practices that matter. Religious texts are a prop. In this instance all the text is saying is that this religion is the right religion, and that some people won't recognize that, and that those people are wrong and will lose out in the long run. It...

Religious Candy and Carrots in the Quran. As I showed in Surah 1. the nature of Allah is that of a Kim Yon Il that demands praise, worship, obedience where those that follow his instructions will harvest all the goodies...but those that are lead astray and turned their backs... will harvest Allah's...

The point is that it is local cultural beliefs and practices that matter. Religious texts are a prop. What is a prop? In any case, I do think that the content and style of books that are considered Holy.. word by word from a divine entity, matter a lot. Of course it is not the only denominator, I n...

Typhoon, I agree totally about the OT. You will find the same brimstone God there. Where do I claim that it is only the Quran where this character shows his face? You will even find him in the NT, where his Wrath still roles over the earth at Judgment day and kill off all the unblievers. But this th...

Religious Candy and Carrots in the Quran. As I showed in Surah 1. the nature of Allah is that of a Kim Yon Il that demands praise, worship, obedience where those that follow his instructions will harvest all the goodies...but those that are lead astray and turned their backs... will harvest Allah's ...

With a thanks to Nonc H. who provided the link elsewhere: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM Just to be clear, I didn't post this to encourage polemics. I don't believe most Muslims have actually read the Qu'ran, but live by tradition and what they are told. The true meaning of the Qu'ran i...

But does not a rush on gold mean that the price of will go through the roof? A LOT of value is being pumped into the indeed limited amounts of gold and silver.

Then the situation is a devalued economy... a thin chicken with loads of fat stached away in gold and silver. What happens then?

In a civilized world, laws against so-called blasphemy would not exist. In a civilized world, people would not insult others and call it freedom of speech. But since we do not live in a civilized world, the stupid deserves the stupid. In my opinion. The reason that freedom of expression and speech ...

Again, this is rather desperate stretching to meet the original, discredited claim: it begins with a hysteric exposition of all the horrors that will befall on those that do not do what Allah orders them to do and turn their backs on Him. Already we see the goalposts moving around. It's a bit like ...

So lets stay on topic here: Islam in Indonesia and its blasphemy laws in particular. I agree with Ibrahim that Indonesia is not yet the cosy dosy soft and moderate Islamic country where diversity is celebrated that many people think it is . That was the whole purpose of me starting the thread. There...

You already flunk at the very beginning. There is this character introduced and put on stage called Allah, who claimes to be the Sole ruler and Creator of this Universe.. you, me.. everything in it. It is explains that he is Boss, can make and break you at will. Now if you adhere merely poetic value...

Ibrahim wrote:Specific cited quotations are necessary to support claims.

The entire Surah 2. supports it. People can read and make up their own mind. It is a a threat-fest against not-believing, disobedience and the fate of the non-believer is sealed.

I took "begins" to mean the first several pages, but there is little regarding "hysterical horrors" in the second sura at all. Perhaps if you read it as poetry not having any literal meaning. Any real person or entity talking like : "Do this, do that as I told you... OR ......

Chaos and breakdown caused by very small creatures.

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With a thanks to Nonc H. who provided the link elsewhere: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/SURAI.HTM After the opening Surah 1. which a is a formality, comes Surah 2. The Cow Contrary to Ibi's Voodoo claim that I didn't read anything of the Quran, I did read the first couple of Surah's a year ago or...

Evil is the absence of God is maybe just the title of a good thriller. Something to do with Missing

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As a simple point of fact, the Quran as compiled in modern editions begins with a profession of faith, followed by the declaration that it is the world of God, and that upon hearing it some will believe it and some will not. Maybe it is more beneficial to this board if you provide us with an online...

Hilarious. Your record of bigotry is well-known, ever since you came out of the closet with your plan to target minorities in your own country for unmotivated verbal abuse. Oh yes, and it is still a brilliant idea! A win-win; Those that suspect most Muslims start stabbing if they could if you use y...

i wouldnt be blaming it particularly on islam but i would be wary of most islamic countries for this kind of response, ditto any of the more old school tribal places. Indeed. Islam is just another ideology (religious, political, racial or otherwise) and as such only a secundary phenomenon that feed...

The guy, according to the article, was physically beaten up by locals that entered the office he works because of his facebook messages, and arrested by the Indonesian police on charge of blasphemy which could mean 4 years prison. That is a bit more than cyber bullying. It is always good to keep an...

The guy, according to the article, was physically beaten up by locals that entered the office he works because of his facebook messages, and arrested by the Indonesian police on charge of blasphemy which could mean 4 years prison. That is a bit more than cyber bullying. It is always good to keep an ...

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