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Only if someone is able to turn up a smoking gun.
Margot Robbie- the whole "I'm a damaged daddy's girl in Juggalo makeup" of a character is really...ummm....deflating.noddy wrote:I can give you man of steel, it was what it was and made sense within itself.
sucicide squad was margot robbie in small shorts, i cant rember anything else, it was pretty hideous.
BvS was a complete absurdity and barring a couple of batman fight scense without redemption, from worst luther to silliest arc, it was just plain broken.
i have no idea about justice league, i wont be watching it until its on free streaming.
I will freely admit to preferring the current marvel formula - super hero movies only work as bubble gum action comedies with charismatic actors and anything more serious, or dark, or thoughtful is usually deserving of another platform such as sci fi.
noddy wrote:Snyder isnt good as far as my tastes go, a slightly better michael bay, living on good visuals but incapable of nuance or subtlety.
a step up from oliver stone i spose -another overrated one with the deft touch of a rabid rhino.
HERE IS MY POINT - IN YOUR FACE BIATCHES - TASTE MY POINT, TASTE MY POINT, GOOD GOOD, DID I SAY I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT.
ok - thats probably a better way of expressing it.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Snyder's weaknesses are that he has a tin ear when it comes to dialogue [though he's been able to pick his spots] and clearly has a preference for wooden actors where he is more concerned with them looking good in his shots than delivering a line or winning over an audience. But I don't understand the lack of nuance charge and think subtlety is a modernist technique often misused and unhelpful in a major studio motion picture meant to play to mass markets.
shudder - i cant think of 2 more incompatible styles than snyder or whedon - come to think of it whedon should have done suicide squad, atleast his bratty hipster thing would have possibly saved some characters.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:let's put it this way, even if you don't like Zack Snyder, the Justice League movie they put out is in worst shape than it should've been because they clearly go out of their way to un-Snyder the whole movie without actually replacing Snyder.
There were maybe two or three complete scenes which were clearly directed by Snyder. Even then, there is a very noticeable overdubbing of dialogue which at parts pass the the comically amateurish "his lips are not in sync with his lines" and the color correction to de-Snyder it make scenes look a lot uglier than they should. There are lots of bits and pieces Snyder shot in the first two acts (the third is almost completely superhack Joss Whedon) which are frankenstein'd into Whedon's scenes to a jarring, confusing and overall unappealing mess.
Warner Brothers should've either taken the financial hit and delayed the movie/fired Snyder OR just rode Snyder's vision out-- both options would've been cheaper than the half a billion mess they ended up with.
absolutely, the entire setup between her and ledger-lite-lite was cringe worthy and borderline unwatchable.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Margot Robbie- the whole "I'm a damaged daddy's girl in Juggalo makeup" of a character is really...ummm....deflating.
they all blur into one another - only early iron man or first guardians of galaxy are probably going to hang round as rewatchable, maybe captain america 2 and the first avengers.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
I get the Marvel formula thing and I've seen almost all of them, because when you go to the movies with a group of people looking for a fun time (for most) it's a safer bet than the other toy-movies. All the actors they have are ultra-charismatic and people want a laugh with some punching. But so many of them range from the boring to the terrible. Suicide Squad, again, was an absolute mess of a movie but it was like a fascinating train wreck- where I was so bowled over that it was released like that....Marvel's worst like Thor in the Dark World or Captain America Civil War are just plain tedious to a point of offensiveness.
The best of the bunch- like the second Captain America- is tv movie quality made by tv directors. The original Iron Man rests of the charisma of Robert Downey Jr., James Gunn is a real director but his Guardians of the Galaxy movie shows off precisely his limits- he'll come up with a bunch of ideas that are never fully fleshed out. A personal favorite, Ant-Man, is a really bad movie which has a fun third act and some wonderfully hammy acting from Michael Douglas and the guy playing Ant-Man....the rest you could throw in the trash without losing anything.
What fun is that?
I have enjoyed most of the Marvel superhero movies. They are good mix of humor and sci-fi. yep, I'm from the generation who read comics back when they were called comics. I think they are called graphic novels now. They were supposed to be fun and playful. Check out some old Legion of Super Heroes comics from the late 1960s' some time.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:let's put it this way, even if you don't like Zack Snyder, the Justice League movie they put out is in worst shape than it should've been because they clearly go out of their way to un-Snyder the whole movie without actually replacing Snyder.
There were maybe two or three complete scenes which were clearly directed by Snyder. Even then, there is a very noticeable overdubbing of dialogue which at parts pass the the comically amateurish "his lips are not in sync with his lines" and the color correction to de-Snyder it make scenes look a lot uglier than they should. There are lots of bits and pieces Snyder shot in the first two acts (the third is almost completely superhack Joss Whedon) which are frankenstein'd into Whedon's scenes to a jarring, confusing and overall unappealing mess.
Warner Brothers should've either taken the financial hit and delayed the movie/fired Snyder OR just rode Snyder's vision out-- both options would've been cheaper than the half a billion mess they ended up with.
The original rap.The entire play is written in verse, in rhyming couplets of twelve syllables per line.
{Another Trump Wrong Gif Here}Simple Minded wrote:I have enjoyed most of the Marvel superhero movies. They are good mix of humor and sci-fi. yep, I'm from the generation who read comics back when they were called comics. I think they are called graphic novels now. They were supposed to be fun and playful. Check out some old Legion of Super Heroes comics from the late 1960s' some time.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:let's put it this way, even if you don't like Zack Snyder, the Justice League movie they put out is in worst shape than it should've been because they clearly go out of their way to un-Snyder the whole movie without actually replacing Snyder.
There were maybe two or three complete scenes which were clearly directed by Snyder. Even then, there is a very noticeable overdubbing of dialogue which at parts pass the the comically amateurish "his lips are not in sync with his lines" and the color correction to de-Snyder it make scenes look a lot uglier than they should. There are lots of bits and pieces Snyder shot in the first two acts (the third is almost completely superhack Joss Whedon) which are frankenstein'd into Whedon's scenes to a jarring, confusing and overall unappealing mess.
Warner Brothers should've either taken the financial hit and delayed the movie/fired Snyder OR just rode Snyder's vision out-- both options would've been cheaper than the half a billion mess they ended up with.
Superman vs. Batman was so bad, seeing that and the previews for Justice League have destroyed any interest I had in seeing Justice League. If you can't put together a decent preview.......
I think the DC crowd has realized they can't clear the bar the Marvel crowd has set and they have decided to go artsy-artsy dark instead.
noddy wrote: shudder - i cant think of 2 more incompatible styles than snyder or whedon - come to think of it whedon should have done suicide squad, atleast his bratty hipster thing would have possibly saved some characters.
absolutely, the entire setup between her and ledger-lite-lite was cringe worthy and borderline unwatchable.
I think you're selling Arnold way short. A number of those schlocky movies are really good movies, even if they are B movies. Predator, Running Man, Conan the Barbarian, Twins, Total Recall, the Terminator films...there are more, but there is a real quality to them and a running theme surrounding identity and belonging. Ah-nud, in that sense, was a bit of an auteur choosing some really great ideas to put on film- even if they were dismissed at the time.
they all blur into one another - only early iron man or first guardians of galaxy are probably going to hang round as rewatchable, maybe captain america 2 and the first avengers.
barring thor and ultron (both terrible) they all still remind me of a schlocky arnold thing from the 80's/90's and i have a soft spot for that type of popcorn movie - action comedy is movies at their escapist best, so im quite forgiving even if it is unmemorable.
guardians 2 was pretty weak too now im thinking of it.
antman was fun, a low key comedy heist caper more than a superhero movie.
It's a lot easier when you are time tested for close to 4oo years.Typhoon wrote:Personal preference, but if I want to watch a larger than life character in costume being witty, my preference is
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The original rap.The entire play is written in verse, in rhyming couplets of twelve syllables per line.
Au contraire-noddy wrote:ok - thats probably a better way of expressing it.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Snyder's weaknesses are that he has a tin ear when it comes to dialogue [though he's been able to pick his spots] and clearly has a preference for wooden actors where he is more concerned with them looking good in his shots than delivering a line or winning over an audience. But I don't understand the lack of nuance charge and think subtlety is a modernist technique often misused and unhelpful in a major studio motion picture meant to play to mass markets.
I was thinking in particular about BvS and the opening scene settting the tone for batman not liking superman, yet then the terrible ledger-lite luther spends the entire movie trying to trick him into not liking superman, yet then we have the wonderously cheesy moment they both realise they have mums.
that arc just left me dumbfounded, it was written by a 14 year old boy.
.. which is fine, its a superhero movie, yet somehow the tone didnt carry that at all, it was pretending to be adult.
Indeed.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:It's a lot easier when you are time tested for close to 4oo years.Typhoon wrote:Personal preference, but if I want to watch a larger than life character in costume being witty, my preference is
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The original rap.The entire play is written in verse, in rhyming couplets of twelve syllables per line.
Will watch it someday.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Alas, I grew up on the Steve Martin version, Roxanne, as it was a staple of cable tv. It veers well into the treacly, like a lot of Steve Martin movies.
I really don't recall DC comics being darker than Marvel comics, but IT WAS 50 FREAKIN YEARS AGO, I WAS STILL IN SINGLE DIGITS!NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Let me ask you SM, growing up, you were the prime age for Marvel, right? The main Spiderman stories, the Fantastic Four, the Hulk....that period where kids were buying more than half a million Marvel comics a week, and DC was all but dead. There is a total different connection.
I should add that reading comic books wasn't something I did as a kid or an adult, unless I was with my mother when she would food shop- I'd sit in the comic book aisle and go through all of them.
So maybe it being different from the source material is just something which doesn't register with me.
Enjoyed "Total Recall". Arnold was smart in the he knew his limitations and surrounded himself with talented people: directors, actors, etc.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: . . .
I think you're selling Arnold way short. A number of those schlocky movies are really good movies, even if they are B movies. Predator, Running Man, Conan the Barbarian, Twins, Total Recall, the Terminator films...there are more, but there is a real quality to them and a running theme surrounding identity and belonging. Ah-nud, in that sense, was a bit of an auteur choosing some really great ideas to put on film- even if they were dismissed at the time.
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ok - ill have to rewatch it one day when the missus is out (she hated it) and see if any of that is apparent to someone who didnt do the supplementary reading.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Au contraire-
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Typhoon wrote: Enjoyed "Total Recall". Arnold was smart in the he knew his limitations and surrounded himself with talented people: directors, actors, etc.
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I suspect that comics and movies are like all classic/timeless religious, philosophical, and scientific reference material. What is in the source material, and what the consumer reads/views/interprets can vary tremendously. What one brings to the party may be more important than the party itself.
"I read that same phrase in the Bible 50 years ago, but it didn't say that back then."
as per simple minded - they have already been around 70 odd years.Typhoon wrote: Which raises an interesting point. How will these costumed superhero films stand the test of time?
Thirty years from now will a few be considered classics or will all be forgotten?
Red with Bruce Willis, Morgan Freeman, and Helen Mirren. Old school reunion.noddy wrote:and whilst im riffing on action comedy - how far has it fallen from the days of arnie, bruce willis, mel gibson, eddie murphie etc in the 80's and 90's
i looked at the list post 2000 and can only see a few which are watchable - "tropic thunder" (robert downy charisma strikes again) and the "nice guys" , neither of which are block busters. and expendables 1 (for mr p)
Indeed. Snatch, Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, and esp Rocknrolla are brilliant.noddy wrote: maybe 1 or 2 early guy richie movies should be added to that.
yes, i forgot that, it was funTyphoon wrote: Red with Bruce Willis, Morgan Freeman, and Helen Mirren. Old school reunion.
my tastes cant stretch them into action comedy and I might even struggle to think of them as action (heh)Typhoon wrote: Stretching the category a bit, the first two Bond films with Daniel Craig, Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.
yeh - that first batch had a nice spark to them,however the second sherlock and onwards seem to be heading off into self parody.Typhoon wrote: Indeed. Snatch, Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, and esp Rocknrolla are brilliant.
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Ritchie's London underworld is an alternate universe the I can get into.
His two Sherlock Holmes films are entertaining.
never heard of it - thanks.Typhoon wrote: Can recommend the underrated The Bank Job with Jason Statham.
I suspect the actual comics will be remembered longer than the films.noddy wrote:Simple Minded wrote:
I suspect that comics and movies are like all classic/timeless religious, philosophical, and scientific reference material. What is in the source material, and what the consumer reads/views/interprets can vary tremendously. What one brings to the party may be more important than the party itself.
"I read that same phrase in the Bible 50 years ago, but it didn't say that back then."as per simple minded - they have already been around 70 odd years.Typhoon wrote: Which raises an interesting point. How will these costumed superhero films stand the test of time?
Thirty years from now will a few be considered classics or will all be forgotten?
From what little I know, the Norse gods were, like the gods of ancient Greece, very human.noddy wrote: thor and loki a thousand or more years and its not like most of those old tales had that much more to them - not all were witty or moral fables, some are just action/entertainment.
All for mindless action comedy as long as it is well done.noddy wrote:noddy wrote:robin hood is barely above comic book levels of literature and its had a good lifespan.
mindless action comedy will continue for as long as people have [wage] slavery and need to remember for a few moments thats not all there is.
Hah, I know the answer to this one: it's not a real culture. Instead, it's a form of spoken violence people who think of themselves as white use to monopolize and subjugate black, yellow and red bodies in institutional and systemic ways.Typhoon wrote:
Which raises an interesting point. Why are Scandinavian countries not whinging about cultural appropriation?
Or rather, why are the US SJWs not taking it upon themselves to whinge on the Scands presumed behalf?