The prophesied demise of the Democrat Party

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Simple Minded wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:25 am
Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:09 pm America’s Coming Three-Party System
Writing in the shadow of the Iowa (Ca-)Caucus fiasco, I am taking a risk in what I am going to say, but the handwriting seems to be on the proverbial wall. The United States will soon have three, not two, major political parties. The days of the two-party system, as we know it, are numbered.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/americas- ... 24966.html
You girl, are giving me some serious wood! ;)

IIRC, Mr. Perfect had a name for this phenomena, but it escapes me at the moment. Geometric Symbology of some sort.
I think Mr P would highly approve of the purity enforcing wokelings kicking all the triangulating moderates out of the Democrats.

that means the Republicans get more triangulating moderates, ermm, yes, oh, no, maybe. lavender.
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Simple Minded wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:25 am
Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:09 pm America’s Coming Three-Party System
Writing in the shadow of the Iowa (Ca-)Caucus fiasco, I am taking a risk in what I am going to say, but the handwriting seems to be on the proverbial wall. The United States will soon have three, not two, major political parties. The days of the two-party system, as we know it, are numbered.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/americas- ... 24966.html
You girl, are giving me some serious wood! ;)

IIRC, Mr. Perfect had a name for this phenomena, but it escapes me at the moment. Geometric Symbology of some sort.
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Have all the parties you want and they'll have to work in two coalitions with solidified pecking orders instead of more spontaneous informal boundaries and peculiar regional differences.

The Democratic Party will not be torn over a Bernie nomination. There are probably a portion of Democratic voters who wouldn't vote for Bernie because of economic concerns.

But the ones who are most vocal about or willing to leave the party over it is probably small and may be over represented in the official microphone crowd. Just like the NeverTrump coalition doesn't have a constituency outside of newsrooms/think-tanks.

Normal people will...just not vote for that candidate. Lots of people will figure they can weather four more years of Trump.

Grand gestures of self-immolation is only reserved for the people on tv and who get to hand copy in on time for a living.
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The real test will be if the Democratic Party can kick Alexandria Cortez from Congress (as they are clearly attempting to do.) She is divisive. And if she continues her political career, she will cultivate (intentionally or not) a real, lasting division.

Her divisiveness is partly manufactured but also because of this real deep belief, inside and outside, the party that the future belongs to her.

Bernie is an old man who just had a heart attack a few months ago. He's not the future of the party, whether he wants to change things or not is mostly out of his hands. But it goes for the rest of the party.

Everyone in charge of the Democratic Party seems to have been born before WWII.

My facebook feed is full of professional-managerial people falling over themselves to say they can't wait to vote Cortez for President...that gives me heart palpitations. She's a dimbulb.
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It's like Justice Ginsberg talkin' the other day about the ERA amendment like it was still 1972...well, she acknowledged that it is dead but she insists it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. I rememeber Mr.P making a big deal about its defeat.

50 years on, and its the same fight. The national policy has become settling baby boomer scores.

Just like the intrepid first steps taking place now to legalize psychedelic drugs.

This is all about boomers settling the score with mom&dad for making them cut their hair and get a job.
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funnily, I was just looking at salon for its take on buttly.

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/10/mayor- ... democrats/
I see Buttigieg as a political mirage: a human Throwback Thursday, an echo of an echo of a particular kind of middle-ground Democratic idealism that goes back through Barack Obama and Bill Clinton to John F. Kennedy. It has a narrow but profound appeal to a subset of Democratic voters who would like to smooth over the discord of the last 60 or 70 years in American life into a narrative of upward progress, temporarily interrupted by Donald Trump.

Buttigieg's vision, which seems to be permanently short on specifics and constantly subject to change, could fairly be described as making America great again — not, of course, in the Trumpian white-nationalist sense, but in an equally vague idiom of Scout meetings and mainline Protestant churches and "public service," where children of all races attend above-average schools, entrepreneurial dreams are nourished and rational discourse can restore a hopeful future.
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The division of the parties is increasingly only about institutional trust. Unlike some places, America doesn't have much of a history of one party having such distrust in the institutions and the other showing such supreme confidence and ownership over them.
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Well, Salon made me roll my eyes so hard, they fell out of my skull and now I'm blind. :)

Considering Mayor Pete's very public discord with minority communities in South Bend over policing, with the usual accusations of racism, I don't know what world that writer is living in.
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I like how they try, maybe for one last time, to pull out the Kennedy card.

John Kennedy was a disaster. Never should've been anywhere near that office. He was a personal and professional disaster. Maybe better than Nixon in some ways (Nixon shouldn't have been President either) but the two of them in that 1960 was train-wreck territory of choices.

...but these Kennedy peons are all about nice pats on the back as examples of the fruits of progressiveness. Camelot has been within us all this time...a very Quaker sort of politics.

I guess Democrats are having trouble answering that question: where are the fruits of progressivism?

That is part of the reason why they are playing so hard with identity politics I guess. But they've also encouraged a whole generation of Brahmins (sometimes actual ones) that it's perfectly okay to write articles talking about how much you hope white people die. Triumphant? Sure...not exactly the type of progressive fruit I think most people have in mind.
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the Kennedy/Clinton/Bush royal bloodlines thing is alien to me, hard to comprehend.

Australia shares lots of toxic politics with America and many things are similar but on that, you are alone - deification of politicians is so absurd to my mind I struggle with the thought of it.

the other aspects about progressives being a certain sort of middle class playing certain sorts of identity games , thats all much the same over here, if not worse.
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noddy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:37 am the Kennedy/Clinton/Bush royal bloodlines thing is alien to me, hard to comprehend.

Australia shares lots of toxic politics with America and many things are similar but on that, you are alone - deification of politicians is so absurd to my mind I struggle with the thought of it.

the other aspects about progressives being a certain sort of middle class playing certain sorts of identity games , thats all much the same over here, if not worse.
Says the man with a Queen and popular royal family, however much that waivers (or so I've read).

President gets to be Head of State&Head of Government...everyone tolerates the head of state a lot more than the head of government part. :)
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noddy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:37 am the Kennedy/Clinton/Bush royal bloodlines thing is alien to me, hard to comprehend.

Australia shares lots of toxic politics with America and many things are similar but on that, you are alone - deification of politicians is so absurd to my mind I struggle with the thought of it.

the other aspects about progressives being a certain sort of middle class playing certain sorts of identity games , thats all much the same over here, if not worse.
The Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama administrations were team Rockefeller. Clinton joined team Rockefeller around 1976, and adopted the Bush globalist strategy of sucking up to the teats of international cartels and NGO’s for the Democratic party.

The power struggle which began preceeding David Rockefeller’s death in 2017 was the proximate cause of the chaos in the Globalist cabal. The Rockefeller power base dissipated into overlapping and competing factions.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:07 am
noddy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:37 am the Kennedy/Clinton/Bush royal bloodlines thing is alien to me, hard to comprehend.

Australia shares lots of toxic politics with America and many things are similar but on that, you are alone - deification of politicians is so absurd to my mind I struggle with the thought of it.

the other aspects about progressives being a certain sort of middle class playing certain sorts of identity games , thats all much the same over here, if not worse.
Says the man with a Queen and popular royal family, however much that waivers (or so I've read).

President gets to be Head of State&Head of Government...everyone tolerates the head of state a lot more than the head of government part. :)
heh fair enough I spose.

fwiw, the Queen is delightfully irrelevant to every aspect of our lives, the position is an embarrassment to them and to us, any titular power she may have is unusable and would cause immediate uproar from all sides of politics, its a great big nothing.

which just happens to be the perfect status quo, so no matter how much all of us might feel a tad daft about it persisting, the alternative of us having a president and a bill of rights is too hideous to comprehend.

you can easily guess which factions are most keen to bring in the bill of rights , Ill give you a clue, its not the ones who believe in free speech and private property.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:11 am
noddy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:37 am the Kennedy/Clinton/Bush royal bloodlines thing is alien to me, hard to comprehend.

Australia shares lots of toxic politics with America and many things are similar but on that, you are alone - deification of politicians is so absurd to my mind I struggle with the thought of it.

the other aspects about progressives being a certain sort of middle class playing certain sorts of identity games , thats all much the same over here, if not worse.
The Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama administrations were team Rockefeller. Clinton joined team Rockefeller around 1976, and adopted the Bush globalist strategy of sucking up to the teats of international cartels and NGO’s for the Democratic party.

The power struggle which began preceeding David Rockefeller’s death in 2017 was the proximate cause of the chaos in the Globalist cabal. The Rockefeller power base dissipated into overlapping and competing factions.
so, Donald vs Bernie would be the first real election you have had for a long time ?
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noddy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:07 am
I think Mr P would highly approve of the purity enforcing wokelings kicking all the triangulating moderates out of the Democrats.

that means the Republicans get more triangulating moderates, ermm, yes, oh, no, maybe. lavender.
Wow! You want Mr. P to violate his purity standards just to win elections? I suppose you're all for periodically editing the Bible also?

I think Mr. P's attitude towards accepting moderate votes is "if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas!"
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:19 am
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reading the last 8 or 10 posts, it seems we're are all geometric symbols now.....
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noddy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:42 am
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:11 am
noddy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:37 am the Kennedy/Clinton/Bush royal bloodlines thing is alien to me, hard to comprehend.

Australia shares lots of toxic politics with America and many things are similar but on that, you are alone - deification of politicians is so absurd to my mind I struggle with the thought of it.

the other aspects about progressives being a certain sort of middle class playing certain sorts of identity games , thats all much the same over here, if not worse.
The Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama administrations were team Rockefeller. Clinton joined team Rockefeller around 1976, and adopted the Bush globalist strategy of sucking up to the teats of international cartels and NGO’s for the Democratic party.

The power struggle which began preceeding David Rockefeller’s death in 2017 was the proximate cause of the chaos in the Globalist cabal. The Rockefeller power base dissipated into overlapping and competing factions.
so, Donald vs Bernie would be the first real election you have had for a long time ?
No, that would have been Donald vs Hillary. Jewish gangsters plus our military vs the Rothschilds.
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Simple Minded wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:25 pm reading the last 8 or 10 posts, it seems we're are all geometric symbols now.....
How about some proper music to go with that?

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Prime Minister of Sweden from 1991 to 1994, Carl Bildt,

"Bernie Sanders was lucky to be able to get to the Soviet Union in 1988 and praise all its stunning socialist achievements before the entire system and empire collapsed under the weight of its own spectacular failures."

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Colonel Sun wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:23 pm Prime Minister of Sweden from 1991 to 1994, Carl Bildt,

"Bernie Sanders was lucky to be able to get to the Soviet Union in 1988 and praise all its stunning socialist achievements before the entire system and empire collapsed under the weight of its own spectacular failures."

You don't have to scratch a Democrat very hard and they turn red all over. Always have, always will.
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Mr. Perfect wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:11 am
Colonel Sun wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:23 pm Prime Minister of Sweden from 1991 to 1994, Carl Bildt,

"Bernie Sanders was lucky to be able to get to the Soviet Union in 1988 and praise all its stunning socialist achievements before the entire system and empire collapsed under the weight of its own spectacular failures."

You don't have to scratch a Democrat very hard and they turn red all over. Always have, always will.
You are too hard on Socialism Mr. P. Look at Venezuela. A green new deal socialist paradise. They have even installed composting toilets and recycle surgical gloves in their hospitals !! A green new deal to die for !!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN20X2F1
Buckets for toilets, recycled gloves: Venezuelan hospitals await coronavirus unprepared
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The prophesied demise of the Democrat Party
We [the Republicans] have returned to the Reagan arc. We are the supermajority party. We own over 66% of state offices, 60% of governorships, healthy house majority, retained the Senate in a bad calendar year. Even by Democrat logic we will surge in 2018 to close to 60 senate seats.

. . . .

The end of a party [the Democrats] now exposed as collectivist statist criminals, will now be erased from the earth. We will be cruel. We will tell the truth and record it in the histories. The party of Slavery, segregation, Tammany Hall, marxism, soviet appeasement, terror appeasement, and record corruption and criminality in their final candidate. It won't be missed.
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Losing the US Senate majority and failing to regain a majority in the US House may prove to be the best thing that ever happened to the US Republican party.

The Spaniard in the works is US mainstream media turning Soviet* and US social media adopting Soviet style censorship.
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Trump was always the apotheosis of the Reagan era.

Reaganomics impoverished everyone but the wealthiest.

Trump is like a living Avatar of Mammon. No virtues beyond charisma. The narcissist who has nothing truly. In the 80s I always saw him as the Reagan era made flesh. A walking "Greed is Good" parody.

The future belongs to a different generation now. We are living out the tail end of Boomer Pathos.
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