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Re: Pride
right.
i thought the point was that the "movement" of progressive white girls and their camp fashion designers isnt particularly friendly/relevant to actual gay people who arent playing that camp game.
i think you may be attacking a strawman nobody was talking about.
i thought the point was that the "movement" of progressive white girls and their camp fashion designers isnt particularly friendly/relevant to actual gay people who arent playing that camp game.
i think you may be attacking a strawman nobody was talking about.
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Re: Pride
Zack Morris wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:43 am
Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.
Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.
Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?
Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.
I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.
What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.
Re: Pride
Sure sounds like it.... but I thought the expression was "some of my best friends are black?"
although with a bit more thought it kinda sounds like "The gay people I know are REAL gays!" If DINOs and RINOs exist in the political world, then Shirley, GINOs and QINOs must exist in the sexuality world?
More extensive testing is needed......
Sounds like "gay" is no more of an accurate descriptor than black, white, left, right, smart, dumb....... Strange how individual personalities disrupt the best of the cohesive "We" theories. Other than people who actually look other people in the eye and talk to them face to face, who knew?Apollonius wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:31 pm
Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.
I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.
What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.
"Two gay guys vs. Two hundred lesbians?" sound like a potential mega-hit porn movie!
Do you have any video of the event? Asking for a friend.....
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Re: Pride
I wanna hear more about how you litmus tested this observation.....Zack Morris wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:43 am
Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.
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Re: Pride
We are in a phase of human development now where being gay just isn't important anymore. That's a good thing.Apollonius wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:31 pmZack Morris wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:43 am
Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.
Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.
Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?
Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.
I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.
What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.
Re: Pride
Seems to me, before pride can be established and acknowledged, each demographic group must select a spokesperson to speak for the entire group and everyone else in each group must STFU or any meaningful discussion is impossible.
Each group must police it's own ranks in terms of group identity purity, and silence the non-real gays, queers, blacks, whites, dems, repubs, straights, etc. who don't do anything other than muddy up the waters.
Each group must police it's own ranks in terms of group identity purity, and silence the non-real gays, queers, blacks, whites, dems, repubs, straights, etc. who don't do anything other than muddy up the waters.
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Re: Pride
Zack Morris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:08 amWe are in a phase of human development now where being gay just isn't important anymore. That's a good thing.Apollonius wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:31 pmZack Morris wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:43 am
Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.
Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.
Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?
Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.
I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.
What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.
These organizations should disband. They not only do not help gay people, by now they are actually helping to foster negative attitudes.
Re: Pride
Sounds like a classic example of mission creep.Apollonius wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:41 pmZack Morris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:08 amWe are in a phase of human development now where being gay just isn't important anymore. That's a good thing.Apollonius wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:31 pmZack Morris wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:43 am
Sounds like you guys haven't met a lot of gay guys. In the professional (and very liberal) world I inhabit, it can be extremely hard to tell. A progressivist cabal does not, in fact, regulate their behavior. My former boss, for example, is openly gay. I only found out after months of knowing him when a coworker asked about his wife when he was telling a story about his kids, prompting a quick correction: "you mean husband. I'm gay." He's Australian, doesn't have a stylish bone in his body, no"gay affect", and at the office is all business all the time. He's a committed father to his children. And he's not some weird outlier, either.
Ironically, the gayest person on my team turned out to be straight.
Is this a version of "some of my best friends are gay"?
Zack, I've met hundreds, no thousands, of gay men. I've even gotten to know a lot of the girls. Rural gay events are overwhelmingly female because what they are looking for is a social gathering. Gay men are often looking to hook-up, complicated in the country. I once attended a major event where it was two of us guys against two hundred lesbians.
I detect no active hostility or discrimination at my location. Quite the contrary, I think we're made to feel we're somehow a little special, and anyway there are lots of us here. This place is sometimes known as Queer Island.
What Chadwick Moore tells us parallels my experience with gay organizations in the city, which are no longer interested in gay. They have other priorities.
These organizations should disband. They not only do not help gay people, by now they are actually helping to foster negative attitudes.
Looked it up. Same-sex marriage has been legal in Canada since 2005 and discrimination based on sexual orientation is prohibited by the Canadian Human Rights Act. So you have a point.
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Re: Pride
Rod Dreher interviews an author of a very important book.......
So as I see it, identity is the core of the modern self. Desire is its primary expression and subjective feeling is its foundation. It calls the first liberated autonomy and the latter rationality. It is shallow and historically illiterate. Christianity can't find a foothold in modernity because Christians themselves are shallow and historically illiterate, in short they're moderns too.....'>......Many Christians today are embarrassed by traditional Christian sexual teaching, and see it as a ball and chain that the church needs to lose so it can appeal to contemporary people. Why is this wrong?
It is wrong because it assumes that Christian sexual teaching is simply about behavior and, as such, can be relativized as a function of the conventions of particular societies, with no universal significance. Yet that is incorrect both theologically and anthropologically. Theologically, it fails to see that sex is an analogue of Christ and the church. Anthropologically, it fails to see that our sexual ethics are directly related to our understanding of what it means to be a human person. To buy into the contemporary sexual narrative is to buy into two (not obviously consistent) notions: that sexual desire constitutes our identity; and that sexual activity is nothing more than recreation, the morality of which is not intrinsic to the act but merely determined by the giving or withholding of consent. Neither of these is compatible with orthodox Christian notions of human personhood. The former trivializes what it means to be human; the latter trivializes what sex represents. No Christian can do either of these things and maintain that they still represent orthodoxy.
She irons her jeans, she's evil.........
Re: Pride
"We" should focus on the common ground of "we all are breeders."Miss_Faucie_Fishtits wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:14 am Rod Dreher interviews an author of a very important book.......
So as I see it, identity is the core of the modern self. Desire is its primary expression and subjective feeling is its foundation. It calls the first liberated autonomy and the latter rationality. It is shallow and historically illiterate. Christianity can't find a foothold in modernity because Christians themselves are shallow and historically illiterate, in short they're moderns too.....'>......Many Christians today are embarrassed by traditional Christian sexual teaching, and see it as a ball and chain that the church needs to lose so it can appeal to contemporary people. Why is this wrong?
It is wrong because it assumes that Christian sexual teaching is simply about behavior and, as such, can be relativized as a function of the conventions of particular societies, with no universal significance. Yet that is incorrect both theologically and anthropologically. Theologically, it fails to see that sex is an analogue of Christ and the church. Anthropologically, it fails to see that our sexual ethics are directly related to our understanding of what it means to be a human person. To buy into the contemporary sexual narrative is to buy into two (not obviously consistent) notions: that sexual desire constitutes our identity; and that sexual activity is nothing more than recreation, the morality of which is not intrinsic to the act but merely determined by the giving or withholding of consent. Neither of these is compatible with orthodox Christian notions of human personhood. The former trivializes what it means to be human; the latter trivializes what sex represents. No Christian can do either of these things and maintain that they still represent orthodoxy.
Anyone who does not have a biological mother and/or father can form their own club.
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Re: Pride
Politics poisons everything it touches. ‘Pride’ was a great movement at first but now it is passé. All that matters anymore is power.
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Re: Pride
well said none & noddy.
especially now that "sexual preference" as a voluntary choice is considered "offensive."
I'm proud of my skin color, genitals, and other traits I was born with is as silly as being proud one is left handed.
It really has nothing to do with one's efforts or accomplishments, only a desire for the proper reaction from others.
especially now that "sexual preference" as a voluntary choice is considered "offensive."
I'm proud of my skin color, genitals, and other traits I was born with is as silly as being proud one is left handed.
It really has nothing to do with one's efforts or accomplishments, only a desire for the proper reaction from others.
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No, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.
The degeneration of the movement began when the movement demanded forced acceptance of their half-baked opinions. The potentially rich conversation about different viewpoints on love and sex was skipped entirely in favor of strident intolerance and it has been cascading downhill ever since.
“Christ has no body now but yours. Yours are the eyes through which he looks with compassion on this world. Yours are the feet with which he walks among His people to do good. Yours are the hands through which he blesses His creation.”
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Re: Pride
The left, no matter what corner of it, doesn't seem to have any knowledge of the concept of "Brakes"Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:26 amNo, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.
The degeneration of the movement began when the movement demanded forced acceptance of their half-baked opinions. The potentially rich conversation about different viewpoints on love and sex was skipped entirely in favor of strident intolerance and it has been cascading downhill ever since.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
Re: Pride
no argument there - im old enough to remember how gay folks were treated by the rules and i believe it was still illegal in some states for the first half of my life.Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:26 amNo, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.
without the context of it being a reaction to the previous bad politics, its an absurd thing, this whole identity of genitals world.
.. but we did have the absurd thing of making people illegal for it, so we have what we have.
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good points gents.noddy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:02 amno argument there - im old enough to remember how gay folks were treated by the rules and i believe it was still illegal in some states for the first half of my life.Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:26 amNo, the original Pride movement was an anti-shame protest and a positive force all around. I thought it functioned well as a critique and updating of traditional morés.
without the context of it being a reaction to the previous bad politics, its an absurd thing, this whole identity of genitals world.
.. but we did have the absurd thing of making people illegal for it, so we have what we have.
Whenever the movements shift into the political realm, and thereby change from "stop persecuting me cause I'm _______" to "in your face, worship my _______-ness" they always go off the rails.
noddy's discussion of tossing a handful of sand into the wind is an excellent example of the problems associated with group identity politics. Once "_______-ness" becomes an "official" political group identity, the standards of behavior, thought, and appearance are automatically imposed and expected.
It is an interesting packaging concept. "We" will grant your group identity some status, but in return for our acceptance, you must talk, walk, behave, and appear in compliance with our group identity standards. It's a lot like an AKC Dog Show. This is what a purebred Great Dane looks like, this are the acceptable colors, this is the proper confirmation, etc. Comply or we will not certify your group identity,
Jason Whitlock has been on a roll lately talking about how White Liberals carefully control the defining aspects of what a Black person should be. Biden was clued in on the strategy: "If you don't vote for me, you're not Black!"
"Ya know, ya got yer good blanks and yer bad blanks, and here's the check list for telling them apart."
Go ahead, be "______" and get out of my face cause it's none of my business anyway seems a reasonable solution.
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Re: Pride
Television isn't gay enough says the New York Times - Cockburn, The Spectator, 16 January 2021
https://spectator.us/topic/television-g ... ork-times/
https://spectator.us/topic/television-g ... ork-times/
It’s headline news at the New York Times: television is getting less gay! ...
Of course, it’s 2021, not 2013, so the Times isn’t satisfied with pushing one identity-group grievance at a time. Instead, the paper is tracking all kinds of headcounts. Not only is TV too straight by showing gays merely two and a half times as often as they appear in real life. It’s also (recite these words like a prayer and you will understand them better) Too White and Too Male:
‘Representation of women remained unchanged at 46 percent of series regulars on broadcast television, but they are still underrepresented, as they make up 51 percent of the US population, according to the Census Bureau.
The percentage of Black characters on broadcast television remained about the same at 22 percent (slightly down from last season’s 23 percent), while the percentage of Latino characters decreased, to 7 percent from 9 percent.’
Cockburn appreciates that the Times felt it necessary to cite Census Bureau data to remind its readers that, yes, women are about half of the population. Easy to forget! For some mysterious reason, though, the Times does not feel obliged to mention that black Americans are just 13.5 percent of the American population, and thus healthily overrepresented on the nation’s screens. Asians, meanwhile, are so irrelevant to the Times that they aren’t even mentioned at all.
Re: Pride
Thanks for posting Apollonius. As long as "those people" stay focus on TV, Social Media, and virtual reality, that's a good thing.Apollonius wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:32 pm Television isn't gay enough says the New York Times - Cockburn, The Spectator, 16 January 2021
https://spectator.us/topic/television-g ... ork-times/
It’s headline news at the New York Times: television is getting less gay! ...
Of course, it’s 2021, not 2013, so the Times isn’t satisfied with pushing one identity-group grievance at a time. Instead, the paper is tracking all kinds of headcounts. Not only is TV too straight by showing gays merely two and a half times as often as they appear in real life. It’s also (recite these words like a prayer and you will understand them better) Too White and Too Male:
‘Representation of women remained unchanged at 46 percent of series regulars on broadcast television, but they are still underrepresented, as they make up 51 percent of the US population, according to the Census Bureau.
The percentage of Black characters on broadcast television remained about the same at 22 percent (slightly down from last season’s 23 percent), while the percentage of Latino characters decreased, to 7 percent from 9 percent.’
Cockburn appreciates that the Times felt it necessary to cite Census Bureau data to remind its readers that, yes, women are about half of the population. Easy to forget! For some mysterious reason, though, the Times does not feel obliged to mention that black Americans are just 13.5 percent of the American population, and thus healthily overrepresented on the nation’s screens. Asians, meanwhile, are so irrelevant to the Times that they aren’t even mentioned at all.
"TV doesn't reflect my ideals!" I can get along just fine with neighbors like that.
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The Chi-Coms are catching up to the woke west. First step, declare yourself a victim!!! Then you can bitch at the rest of humanity while petitioning them for a cure and/or special privilege.Colonel Sun wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:20 am NY Post | Homosexuality can be classified as a mental health disorder, rules PR Chinese court
There's probably a vaccine in the works to cure homosexuality......
Nothing cures "excessive specialness" like "too much attention!"
F**k me! I'll bet big money that COVID-20 will cure wokeness, blackness, gayness, butthurt, and in-yer-faceness......
"Hey China, I got a favor to ask......"
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The amusing bit is that I occasionally watch PR China TV dramas to practise my poor Chinese. A suprisingly common theme is drag.Simple Minded wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:34 pmThe Chi-Coms are catching up to the woke west. First step, declare yourself a victim!!! Then you can bitch at the rest of humanity while petitioning them for a cure and/or special privilege.Colonel Sun wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:20 am NY Post | Homosexuality can be classified as a mental health disorder, rules PR Chinese court
There's probably a vaccine in the works to cure homosexuality......
Nothing cures "excessive specialness" like "too much attention!"
F**k me! I'll bet big money that COVID-20 will cure wokeness, blackness, gayness, butthurt, and in-yer-faceness......
"Hey China, I got a favor to ask......"
Typically women in drag pretending to be men. Especially in the fantasy historical genre. Sometimes men transported back in time,
but into the body of a woman.
Enough that it makes me wonder if it is a understated form of protest/activism by the the gay cohort of the arts community.
Exhibit A:
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Same applies to Korean dramas.
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This stuff doesn't affect me much now that I'm officially old. If I ended up a widower I'd probably be a volcel. But that Korean show in particular looks hilarious, I wonder how one in the US might subscribe to a service which offers it?
Edit: Nevermind, I signed up for the Rakuten Viki free trial. This should be fun.
Edit2: All I get is "Something Went Wrong" when trying to watch. I guess Korean TV is too much for sensitive American eyes...
Edit: Nevermind, I signed up for the Rakuten Viki free trial. This should be fun.
Edit2: All I get is "Something Went Wrong" when trying to watch. I guess Korean TV is too much for sensitive American eyes...