Egypt urges Arab summit to adopt its alternative to Trump's 'Gaza Riviera'
No kidding! Aside the details...
Israel will demand the end of Hamas nevah to return...but the Islamic Brethrenhood does still have a lot of brainwashed supporters there who rejoiced the killing of a juicy bunch of Jews on okt 7.
Future of Gaza
Re: Future of Gaza
Ghost God wrote a virtual speech by Yitzhak Rabin, had he been the PM of Israel on okt-7 2023. It is awesome.
[Virtual Address by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin – October 15, 2023 | Office of the Prime Minister, Jerusalem]
Citizens of Israel,
There are moments in a nation’s history when the truth must be told—without euphemism, without spin, without hiding behind slogans or illusions.
October 7th was not just a military or intelligence failure. It was not just a breakdown in border security. It was the result of a strategic catastrophe, years in the making—enabled by political cynicism at home and wishful thinking abroad.
Let us speak honestly.
For years, a misguided strategy took hold at the highest levels of our previous government. The idea—if one dares call it that—was that Hamas in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank would keep each other weak through rivalry and hate. That a divided Palestinian political reality served Israel’s interest.
And so, knowingly, Israel allowed Hamas to deepen its grip on Gaza. The logic, if you can call it that, was simple: a weakened, radicalized Hamas is better than a unified Palestinian leadership capable of making demands at the negotiating table.
This was not a security strategy. It was political manipulation masquerading as realpolitik. It was a fantasy.
It was a gamble with Israeli lives.
Meanwhile, others—the international community, donor states, NGOs—joined in a different delusion: that by pouring money into Gaza, by building shopping malls and football stadiums and power plants, somehow Hamas would soften. That economic development would replace ideology. That leadership living in luxury in Doha would fear losing their privileges.
How wrong you all were.
No amount of Qatari-funded hotels or UN projects could erase Hamas’s core doctrine: the destruction of the State of Israel, and the rejection of coexistence with Jews, even within our 1948 borders.
This was not just an Israeli failure. It was an international failure. A strategic abomination dressed in the language of diplomacy and wishful thinking.
We now live with the consequences.
Entire communities in southern Israel were destroyed in a single day. Babies, Holocaust survivors, entire families slaughtered in their homes or taken hostage. The price of this delusion is paid in blood.
And so today, I say clearly: we will never again outsource our security to illusions.
Israel must now fundamentally reassess its doctrine toward Gaza, toward regional actors who empowered Hamas, and toward international partners who enabled this nightmare by pretending that Hamas could ever be anything other than what it is: a terrorist regime fueled by genocidal hatred.
But let me be clear: we will not lose ourselves in rage. The goal is not revenge. The goal is security, clarity, and rebuilding a moral and strategic compass for Israel’s future.
We must reassert a simple truth: our enemies must fear us, and our allies must trust us.
To our neighbors who seek peace—our hand remains extended. To those who seek our destruction—our sword is drawn.
This is not the time for political games. It is the time for responsibility. The Israeli public deserves more than empty slogans about “managing the conflict.” The world must stop pretending that economic aid can bribe away hate.
Peace is still possible—but only between peoples and leaders who accept each other’s right to exist. Hamas has proven, once and for all, it is not among them.
The future of Gaza must be one without Hamas. And the future of Israel must be one where we never again let short-term political calculus endanger long-term national survival.
And now, what must happen next.
Hamas must be completely destroyed. Not contained, not deterred, not managed. Destroyed. This is not a war of choice—it is a war of survival. But we will not lose our humanity in the process.
We will do everything in our power to protect the innocent, even when our enemy hides among them. We will create corridors for civilians to leave, especially women and children. We will work to set up temporary refugee zones—in southern Israel, in Egypt, and if needed, elsewhere.
I say this clearly: Israel will show initial restraint. Not because we are weak, but because we are strong enough to act with conscience. We are prepared to delay the full military operation to give time—weeks, months if needed—for as many civilians as possible to evacuate.
And to the world, to the aid agencies, to those who chant slogans about Gaza’s people—this is your moment. If you care about the people of Gaza, prove it. Help us get them to safety. Because when that time runs out, and the evacuation is done, the war will begin.
Make no mistake: once the civilians have had every possible chance to escape, the Israel Defense Forces will go in, and they will not stop until Hamas is eradicated from the face of the earth.
This will not be easy. The scale of destruction will be enormous. Hamas has built a fortress underground—miles of tunnels below homes, hospitals, mosques. It has embedded its infrastructure inside civilian life. Those who remain will become—willingly or not—human shields. The line between civilian and combatant will blur, not because of us, but because of Hamas.
Casualties will be high. On their side. On ours. Gaza may not be recognizable when this is over. It is tragic, but it is the consequence of a terrorist regime using its people as armor.
As for our hostages: we will do everything to bring them back. But let no one in Hamas think they can use them to negotiate their survival. We will not trade blood for blood. We will not be blackmailed. If lies are needed to draw Hamas out, we will lie. If force is needed to free our people, we will use force.
Hamas is already dead in our eyes. What remains is to bury the monster and bring its leaders to justice, if any survive.
And what comes after?
I will not sugarcoat it: the future of Gaza is uncertain. But one thing is certain: Israel will not allow a new Hamas to grow from its ashes. For years to come, we will likely have to occupy Gaza, to dismantle every remnant of this death cult and prevent another generation from taking up its cause.
Let us also be honest: with this generation of Palestinians in Gaza, there is no peace possible. Not in one state. Not in two. Not as neighbors. That hope is gone for now. Perhaps in the future, things can change. But today, we face the world as it is—not as we wish it to be.
Let the world remember this moment not as a call for vengeance, but as a defense of the right to exist. As the turning point when illusions were shattered, and the survival of Israel—a moral, democratic, and strong Israel—was reclaimed.
Am Yisrael Chai.
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The Question No One Asked: Gaza, War, and the Silence on Civilian Evacuation
The war between Israel and Hamas that erupted in October 2023, with the shock of the October 7 massacre and the devastation that followed, has become one of the most emotionally and politically charged events of the 21st century. Yet for all the endless commentary, for all the images, protests, slogans, and reports, there is one simple, human question that has remained almost entirely unasked:
Why wasn’t a serious, time-consuming, internationally supported effort made to evacuate civilians out of Gaza before Israel's military response?
This is not a rhetorical question. Nor is it a moral trick meant to shift blame from one party to another. It is an honest inquiry into the possibility — however difficult — that thousands of lives could have been spared, had the idea of evacuation been taken seriously by anyone: Israel, Hamas, Egypt, the UN, the broader Arab world, or the self-styled "international community".
The absence of this question — in newsrooms, parliaments, activist circles, and diplomatic forums — is as haunting as the war itself. For when hostage-takers barricade themselves in a building full of civilians, the world instinctively considers the possibility of evacuation. But in the case of Gaza, where nearly half the population were children, no such logic seemed to apply.
Instead, the world rushed to do what it always does in this region: pick sides.
The Default Framing: Conflict Without Imagination
To understand this omission, we must first confront the rigid narrative architecture that frames the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The dominant lenses are fixed: Israel is seen either as a righteous defender or a brutal occupier. Palestinians are either helpless victims or violent militants. These opposing frames are so deeply embedded that they leave no room for alternative courses of action — only for condemnation and justification.
Following the October 7 Hamas attacks — which involved the mass murder, torture, and hostage-taking of Israeli civilians — Israel responded with overwhelming military force. Gaza’s dense urban areas were bombarded; entire neighborhoods were destroyed; civilians died in enormous numbers. In the pro-Israel narrative, this was the price of eliminating a terrorist regime. In the pro-Palestinian narrative, it was an act of collective punishment or genocide.
But in both narratives, there was no space for the most human question: Was there a better way to protect innocent people? Could evacuation have been prioritized, not just for optics, but as a sincere act of moral responsibility?
And most curiously: why didn’t even the critics of Israel demand this? Why didn't they say:
"If Israel is determined to retaliate, why not wait, organize, pressure the world, and get as many civilians out of Gaza first as possible — even if it takes weeks?"
Shared Failure: How We All Let It Come to This
To ask this question is to also recognize a deeper and more uncomfortable truth:
The catastrophe we witnessed was not the result of one actor’s malice alone. It was the culmination of a collective failure — political, diplomatic, and moral.
• Israel, hardened by years of asymmetric warfare, internal trauma, and cynical politics, defaulted to military logic: destroy Hamas first, worry about optics later. The urgency of self-defense, combined with a disbelief that any evacuation would work, overrode humanitarian restraint.
• Hamas, deeply embedded in civilian infrastructure, predictably weaponized the presence of its own population. Its entire strategy depends on collapsing the distinction between combatant and civilian.
• Egypt, which controls Gaza’s southern border, refused large-scale refugee intake — not only out of fear of destabilization, but also to avoid appearing complicit in the permanent displacement of Palestinians.
• Neighboring Arab states, some of them vocal critics of Israel, offered no concrete plan to shelter civilians — even temporarily.
• The international community, rich with institutions and empty of courage, failed to propose or even imagine an emergency humanitarian evacuation program. The UN and its agencies, while vocal after the fact, were reactive rather than proactive.
• The global media, focused on images of aftermath rather than the logistics of prevention, remained stuck in the binary narrative of victim and aggressor.
And so, this question — Why not evacuate first? — became a ghost. It floated nowhere in official briefings, UN resolutions, or think tank papers. It appeared in no op-eds, was not shouted at rallies, and was absent from diplomatic cables. Even in hindsight, when the rubble had settled, and the civilian toll was clear, the question remained unspoken.
Why This Silence?
Several dynamics may explain the collective blindness to this possibility:
1. Political Absolutism
For pro-Palestinian advocates, any suggestion that Israel could have acted better implies that its right to act at all was valid. For Israeli hardliners, any delay in retaliation would appear as weakness. Thus, the very idea of humanitarian foresight was politically toxic to both camps.
2. Militarization of Imagination
Both sides operate in frameworks where war is inevitable and fast. The idea of pausing, organizing, and coordinating civilian movement — even in the midst of looming retaliation — does not fit the pace or assumptions of modern warfare. The imagination of strategy has replaced the imagination of humanity.
3. Failure of Institutions
The United Nations and other global bodies are structurally weakened. In theory, they exist for precisely these moments: to create humanitarian corridors, to mediate temporary ceasefires, to coordinate evacuations. In practice, they are now little more than spectators.
4. Moral Exhaustion and Cynicism
After decades of conflict, the world has grown tired. Cynicism replaces initiative. Many assume nothing will work, so nothing is proposed. But passivity is not neutrality — it is complicity in whatever happens next.
This does not attempt to judge the totality of the war. It does not deny Hamas's crimes, nor excuse Israel’s decisions. It seeks instead to draw attention to a simple, profound omission: that in the face of certain war, no one — not the powerful, not the righteous, not even the compassionate — stopped to seriously ask how civilians could be given a chance to live.
That such a question never entered the mainstream — not before, during, or even after the war — is the most damning indictment of all. It reveals that we no longer expect humanity in war. That we don’t even demand it. That those who claim to speak for the people — of Gaza, of Israel, of justice — have forgotten how to imagine the small but vital steps that might have changed everything.
Connecting the present to the past
This shared failure is not simply the product of current policy errors. It is also rooted in a much older illusion - a tragic miscalculation at the foundation of the conflict itself. When the Jewish state was established, many of its Zionist founders, along with well-meaning international supporters, believed or at least hoped that the Jewish state's borders - particularly regarding the West Bank and Gaza - could be finalized through "fair negotiations" after the initial wars. On paper, it was a noble vision: diplomacy as the final act of war, peaceful stitching of borders after battle.
But this hope was largely divorced from the psychological and biological reality of the conflict. By then, too much blood had been spilled. The war over land was not merely political - it was primal.
Like all territorial struggles in the animal kingdom, the fight over who owns which piece of earth had already activated the deepest instincts of human tribalism, fear, and vengeance. To imagine that both sides would sit down as rational actors, after decades of violence and trauma, was a form of messianic daydreaming - perhaps noble, but detached from how humans, and human apes more broadly, actually behave when territory is at stake.
In such a state, the idea of negotiations becomes psychotically optimistic. We forget that beneath all our institutions and constitutions, we are still creatures that defend land with blood. We ritualize it through maps and ceasefires, but the underlying drive is ancient. And until that is acknowledged - without sentimentality or pretense - we will continue designing peace processes for species we do not biologically resemble.
The war between Israel and Hamas that erupted in October 2023, with the shock of the October 7 massacre and the devastation that followed, has become one of the most emotionally and politically charged events of the 21st century. Yet for all the endless commentary, for all the images, protests, slogans, and reports, there is one simple, human question that has remained almost entirely unasked:
Why wasn’t a serious, time-consuming, internationally supported effort made to evacuate civilians out of Gaza before Israel's military response?
This is not a rhetorical question. Nor is it a moral trick meant to shift blame from one party to another. It is an honest inquiry into the possibility — however difficult — that thousands of lives could have been spared, had the idea of evacuation been taken seriously by anyone: Israel, Hamas, Egypt, the UN, the broader Arab world, or the self-styled "international community".
The absence of this question — in newsrooms, parliaments, activist circles, and diplomatic forums — is as haunting as the war itself. For when hostage-takers barricade themselves in a building full of civilians, the world instinctively considers the possibility of evacuation. But in the case of Gaza, where nearly half the population were children, no such logic seemed to apply.
Instead, the world rushed to do what it always does in this region: pick sides.
The Default Framing: Conflict Without Imagination
To understand this omission, we must first confront the rigid narrative architecture that frames the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The dominant lenses are fixed: Israel is seen either as a righteous defender or a brutal occupier. Palestinians are either helpless victims or violent militants. These opposing frames are so deeply embedded that they leave no room for alternative courses of action — only for condemnation and justification.
Following the October 7 Hamas attacks — which involved the mass murder, torture, and hostage-taking of Israeli civilians — Israel responded with overwhelming military force. Gaza’s dense urban areas were bombarded; entire neighborhoods were destroyed; civilians died in enormous numbers. In the pro-Israel narrative, this was the price of eliminating a terrorist regime. In the pro-Palestinian narrative, it was an act of collective punishment or genocide.
But in both narratives, there was no space for the most human question: Was there a better way to protect innocent people? Could evacuation have been prioritized, not just for optics, but as a sincere act of moral responsibility?
And most curiously: why didn’t even the critics of Israel demand this? Why didn't they say:
"If Israel is determined to retaliate, why not wait, organize, pressure the world, and get as many civilians out of Gaza first as possible — even if it takes weeks?"
Shared Failure: How We All Let It Come to This
To ask this question is to also recognize a deeper and more uncomfortable truth:
The catastrophe we witnessed was not the result of one actor’s malice alone. It was the culmination of a collective failure — political, diplomatic, and moral.
• Israel, hardened by years of asymmetric warfare, internal trauma, and cynical politics, defaulted to military logic: destroy Hamas first, worry about optics later. The urgency of self-defense, combined with a disbelief that any evacuation would work, overrode humanitarian restraint.
• Hamas, deeply embedded in civilian infrastructure, predictably weaponized the presence of its own population. Its entire strategy depends on collapsing the distinction between combatant and civilian.
• Egypt, which controls Gaza’s southern border, refused large-scale refugee intake — not only out of fear of destabilization, but also to avoid appearing complicit in the permanent displacement of Palestinians.
• Neighboring Arab states, some of them vocal critics of Israel, offered no concrete plan to shelter civilians — even temporarily.
• The international community, rich with institutions and empty of courage, failed to propose or even imagine an emergency humanitarian evacuation program. The UN and its agencies, while vocal after the fact, were reactive rather than proactive.
• The global media, focused on images of aftermath rather than the logistics of prevention, remained stuck in the binary narrative of victim and aggressor.
And so, this question — Why not evacuate first? — became a ghost. It floated nowhere in official briefings, UN resolutions, or think tank papers. It appeared in no op-eds, was not shouted at rallies, and was absent from diplomatic cables. Even in hindsight, when the rubble had settled, and the civilian toll was clear, the question remained unspoken.
Why This Silence?
Several dynamics may explain the collective blindness to this possibility:
1. Political Absolutism
For pro-Palestinian advocates, any suggestion that Israel could have acted better implies that its right to act at all was valid. For Israeli hardliners, any delay in retaliation would appear as weakness. Thus, the very idea of humanitarian foresight was politically toxic to both camps.
2. Militarization of Imagination
Both sides operate in frameworks where war is inevitable and fast. The idea of pausing, organizing, and coordinating civilian movement — even in the midst of looming retaliation — does not fit the pace or assumptions of modern warfare. The imagination of strategy has replaced the imagination of humanity.
3. Failure of Institutions
The United Nations and other global bodies are structurally weakened. In theory, they exist for precisely these moments: to create humanitarian corridors, to mediate temporary ceasefires, to coordinate evacuations. In practice, they are now little more than spectators.
4. Moral Exhaustion and Cynicism
After decades of conflict, the world has grown tired. Cynicism replaces initiative. Many assume nothing will work, so nothing is proposed. But passivity is not neutrality — it is complicity in whatever happens next.
This does not attempt to judge the totality of the war. It does not deny Hamas's crimes, nor excuse Israel’s decisions. It seeks instead to draw attention to a simple, profound omission: that in the face of certain war, no one — not the powerful, not the righteous, not even the compassionate — stopped to seriously ask how civilians could be given a chance to live.
That such a question never entered the mainstream — not before, during, or even after the war — is the most damning indictment of all. It reveals that we no longer expect humanity in war. That we don’t even demand it. That those who claim to speak for the people — of Gaza, of Israel, of justice — have forgotten how to imagine the small but vital steps that might have changed everything.
Connecting the present to the past
This shared failure is not simply the product of current policy errors. It is also rooted in a much older illusion - a tragic miscalculation at the foundation of the conflict itself. When the Jewish state was established, many of its Zionist founders, along with well-meaning international supporters, believed or at least hoped that the Jewish state's borders - particularly regarding the West Bank and Gaza - could be finalized through "fair negotiations" after the initial wars. On paper, it was a noble vision: diplomacy as the final act of war, peaceful stitching of borders after battle.
But this hope was largely divorced from the psychological and biological reality of the conflict. By then, too much blood had been spilled. The war over land was not merely political - it was primal.
Like all territorial struggles in the animal kingdom, the fight over who owns which piece of earth had already activated the deepest instincts of human tribalism, fear, and vengeance. To imagine that both sides would sit down as rational actors, after decades of violence and trauma, was a form of messianic daydreaming - perhaps noble, but detached from how humans, and human apes more broadly, actually behave when territory is at stake.
In such a state, the idea of negotiations becomes psychotically optimistic. We forget that beneath all our institutions and constitutions, we are still creatures that defend land with blood. We ritualize it through maps and ceasefires, but the underlying drive is ancient. And until that is acknowledged - without sentimentality or pretense - we will continue designing peace processes for species we do not biologically resemble.
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Nonc Hilaire
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Re: Future of Gaza
Israel fits the Soros ‘color revolution’ model. Gaza has been an Israeli Colony for a long time. Gaza is a political PITA for everyone.
We are seeing Israeli factions destroy their State and the façade of the Jewish monolith AEB the current international propaganda storm now evolved as multi-polar. There is a reason Jewish diversity is suddenly highlighted.
The Cabal seems to feel it is Israel’s turn to ‘build back better’ now that the Rothschild family is gone. The Israeli propaganda system was so finely tuned this must be a deliberate attempt by the Communist/Zionist/Frankist movement to destroy Israel from within.
We are seeing Israeli factions destroy their State and the façade of the Jewish monolith AEB the current international propaganda storm now evolved as multi-polar. There is a reason Jewish diversity is suddenly highlighted.
The Cabal seems to feel it is Israel’s turn to ‘build back better’ now that the Rothschild family is gone. The Israeli propaganda system was so finely tuned this must be a deliberate attempt by the Communist/Zionist/Frankist movement to destroy Israel from within.
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Nonc Hilaire
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Not Gaza but the same program: Encourage Israel to destroy itself from the inside out. Build back better.
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Nonc, some of what you say and how you connect the dots may be a real thing, but most is anecdotal to the real, chaotic, multi-variant mechanics of this primordial conflict over claimed territory.
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Nonc Hilaire
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Agreed. I’m just sharing my opinion among friends.
Netanyahu is a war criminal and traitor - that is documented. I have rational justifications for my opinions but I understand I don’t have the whole picture. I just say how things look to me.
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Fair enough. For me, "in the final analysis" this conflict is very simple. There is just a lot of fog produced, and side-effects on display that most people confuse with causes.Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑14 Aug 2025 03:13Agreed. I’m just sharing my opinion among friends.
Netanyahu is a war criminal and traitor - that is documented. I have rational justifications for my opinions but I understand I don’t have the whole picture. I just say how things look to me.
Prompted Ghost writes:
The Children We Forgot: How Naivety, Strategy, and Shared Failure Fed Gaza’s Tragedy
In the West, we pride ourselves on safeguarding children from harm—even from their own parents. When parents indoctrinate their children into violent extremism, Western courts have stripped them of custody. The logic is clear: the child’s right to safety and a healthy upbringing outweighs parental rights when those rights are abused.
By that same logic, when war loomed in Gaza, the first duty of Israel and its allies should have been to remove the most vulnerable—children and their primary caregivers—out of harm’s way, before bombs began to fall. Not forcibly, not permanently, but through internationally supervised evacuation corridors with the right of return guaranteed. Yet this was on nobody’s agenda.
And that is the deeper scandal. This was not just an Israeli oversight. It was an international dereliction of duty decades in the making. No government, no major international body, no “friends of the Palestinian people,” no Western ally made the protection of Gaza’s children a first-order priority before the shooting started. The fact that it wasn’t even attempted tells us something about our collective moral failure.
This neglect is the latest chapter in a much older pattern. For years, Israel—particularly under Netanyahu—viewed Hamas in Gaza as a strategically useful counterweight to the Palestinian Authority, allowing it to consolidate power rather than dismantling it. Regional actors like Qatar openly bankrolled Hamas, while others quietly decided to “live with it,” accepting its rule because it enjoyed significant—though not universal—support in Gaza.
Western policymakers, meanwhile, indulged in the hope that economic aid to Gaza’s population would, over time, nudge Hamas toward moderation. They bet on the fantasy that a militant group, founded on uncompromising violence against civilians, could be coaxed into peaceful governance through financial goodwill and diplomatic patience.
But history—and hardheaded thinkers—warned otherwise. In 1923, early Zionist leader Ze’ev Jabotinsky wrote his famous essay The Iron Wall, arguing that no indigenous population ever peacefully accepted settlers on what they considered their own land. His conclusion was blunt:
“Colonization can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power… behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.”
“As long as the Arabs feel that there is the least hope of getting rid of us, they will refuse to give up this hope… Not till then will they drop their extremist leaders… and the leadership will pass to the moderate groups.”
Jabotinsky’s insight wasn’t that peace was impossible—it was that peace could not be built on illusions. Extremists must first see resistance as futile; only then can moderates take the lead.
The tragedy of Gaza is that the international community ignored this lesson twice over. First, by allowing Hamas to entrench itself, assuming it could one day be talked into peace. And second, by failing to take even the most basic, humane step before this latest war—evacuating children and their mothers from the line of fire.
By not doing so, Israel and its Western allies failed to meet the same child-protection standard they uphold at home. And in that failure, they forfeited moral high ground. They did not commit the same crimes as Hamas, but they sank closer to its level than they ever should have.
And here lies the harshest truth: what we are witnessing is an old-school, animalistic, instinct-driven war over territory—played out in slow motion. All the goodwill, all the naïve diplomacy, do little more than apply temporary brakes to the process. The human and physical costs of destruction remain the same; they are merely spread over decades instead of months.
The moral of the story is a perhaps a bitter one. We are but human apes with enlarged frontal lobes, often too much imagination, and a tragic tendency to believe that our lofty ideals can suspend the deeper instincts that still drive us. In Gaza, as elsewhere, the instincts won.
A moral high-ground, if any such a thing exists, would however not be to try be better than apes, it goes in the opposite direction IMHO; being humble enough to accept who and what we are. Not much different from ants, dogs, monkeys. More with less and some honesty gets you much further.
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Nonc Hilaire
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The following is not AI.
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Bibi insists on state funding of Hamas. He publicly admits Hamas is a Likud controlled organization.
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How did Hamas spend the funds Likud laundered through Qatar? The Oct. 7 false flag invasion.
‘Free Palestine’ is dead. It is a golem which is animated by Likud to terrorize Israel and stop the prosecution of Netanyahu.
Ask AI to compare timing of Gazan initiatives with Bibi’s prosecution and court dates.
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Bibi insists on state funding of Hamas. He publicly admits Hamas is a Likud controlled organization.
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How did Hamas spend the funds Likud laundered through Qatar? The Oct. 7 false flag invasion.
‘Free Palestine’ is dead. It is a golem which is animated by Likud to terrorize Israel and stop the prosecution of Netanyahu.
Ask AI to compare timing of Gazan initiatives with Bibi’s prosecution and court dates.
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Hey, the ghost doesn't say anything without my prompted approval.
you are right about bibi seeing hamas as a strategic asset.
Okt 7 might be a conspired false flag, yet it might also be coincidental. As always, when the truth is incomplete, the information inconclusive, people tend to hunger for and gravitate towards their own preferred narratives. Correlation is not causation. You can't rule out that one day enough facts are uncovered that we don't need to assume anymore. In general, I always suspect that the bigger and more consequential the conspiracy theory, the less likely it is true. It could also be a hybrid: only a small handful misled the rest by witholding information. It could even be just one person who knowingly, willingly, in a key position, withheld information. Yet often incompetence and complacency are enough to bury as fast as possible the truth. People are sensitive to shame and guilt, having careers on the line.
you are right about bibi seeing hamas as a strategic asset. Okt 7 might be a conspired false flag, yet it might also be coincidental. As always, when the truth is incomplete, the information inconclusive, people tend to hunger for and gravitate towards their own preferred narratives. Correlation is not causation. You can't rule out that one day enough facts are uncovered that we don't need to assume anymore. In general, I always suspect that the bigger and more consequential the conspiracy theory, the less likely it is true. It could also be a hybrid: only a small handful misled the rest by witholding information. It could even be just one person who knowingly, willingly, in a key position, withheld information. Yet often incompetence and complacency are enough to bury as fast as possible the truth. People are sensitive to shame and guilt, having careers on the line.
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Nonc Hilaire
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Conspiracy is a given when talking about politics. Political science is all ‘conspiracy theory’.
There are very things in life that are logical or can be proven. We proles must be content with rationality and unknowns.
This is why Mr. Spock was only a consultant and not a decision maker. We must act on incomplete information. If Kirk waited until all was certain, he would certainly be dead.
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Timeline Comparison: Netanyahu’s Trial Events vs. Israeli Operations in Gaza (ChatGPT/PandoraOOI)
• Overlap of Crisis and Trial: Netanyahu’s defense phase (starting Dec 2024) coincided with major military developments and ceasefire efforts in Gaza.
• Operational Pressure: He frequently cited the war to request delays or justify balancing trial duties with national leadership. 
• Diplomatic-Security Intersection: Mid‑2025 saw hearing postponements explicitly for “classified diplomatic and security grounds,” likely tied to evolving conflict dynamics. 
• Gaza’s Humanitarian Toll: Parallel to the trial, Gaza endured immense civilian suffering and displacement—with mounting global criticism and evolving ceasefire negotiations.      
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This timeline captures how legal milestones in Netanyahu’s trial corresponded closely with critical phases of the war in Gaza, reflecting how both domains—judicial processes and military conflict—have shaped, and been shaped by, each other in recent months.
21 Nov 2019
Netanyahu officially indicted on charges of breach of trust, accepting bribes, and fraud.
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24 May 2020
Trial begins in Jerusalem District Court.
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5 April 2021
Witness testimony formally begins.
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7 October 2023
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Hamas launches massive attack on Israel, sparking the Gaza war.
28 Oct – 23 Nov 2023
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Israeli invasion of Gaza and multiple operations.
2 Nov 2023 – 19 Jan 2025
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Siege of Gaza City by the IDF.
24 Nov 2023 – 11 Jan 2024
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First ceasefire period between Israel and Hamas.
Feb 12, 2024
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Operation Golden Hand—hostage rescue raid in Rafah; significant casualties reported.
Mid-2024: June–July
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Rafah offensive / Al-Mawasi attack operations.
July 2024
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Khan Yunis ground operation.
July 2024
Prosecution rests its case around this time (summer 2024).
Concurrently intense conflict phases ongoing.
Dec 2024
Defense phase begins. Netanyahu takes the stand—first time a sitting PM testifies.
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10 Dec 2024
Netanyahu begins testimony: “Hello” to judges, says “an ocean of absurdness,” balances trial with war demands.
Fighting continues, though on different fronts.
Jan 2025 (19 Jan)
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Ceasefire takes effect, ending the siege of Gaza City.
Feb–Mar 2025
Netanyahu continues testifying—36 sessions under cross-examination by his attorney since Dec 2024.
Israel–Hamas ceasefire (19 Jan–17 Mar), followed by renewed attacks starting 18 March.
30 Jun 2025
Trial hearings canceled for the week on “classified diplomatic and security grounds.”
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Aug 2025 (now)
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Humanitarian crisis deepens: over 61,000 Palestinians killed, siege, starvation, journalistic casualties, calls for ceasefire, continued diplomatic fallout.
There are very things in life that are logical or can be proven. We proles must be content with rationality and unknowns.
This is why Mr. Spock was only a consultant and not a decision maker. We must act on incomplete information. If Kirk waited until all was certain, he would certainly be dead.
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Timeline Comparison: Netanyahu’s Trial Events vs. Israeli Operations in Gaza (ChatGPT/PandoraOOI)
• Overlap of Crisis and Trial: Netanyahu’s defense phase (starting Dec 2024) coincided with major military developments and ceasefire efforts in Gaza.
• Operational Pressure: He frequently cited the war to request delays or justify balancing trial duties with national leadership. 
• Diplomatic-Security Intersection: Mid‑2025 saw hearing postponements explicitly for “classified diplomatic and security grounds,” likely tied to evolving conflict dynamics. 
• Gaza’s Humanitarian Toll: Parallel to the trial, Gaza endured immense civilian suffering and displacement—with mounting global criticism and evolving ceasefire negotiations.      
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This timeline captures how legal milestones in Netanyahu’s trial corresponded closely with critical phases of the war in Gaza, reflecting how both domains—judicial processes and military conflict—have shaped, and been shaped by, each other in recent months.
21 Nov 2019
Netanyahu officially indicted on charges of breach of trust, accepting bribes, and fraud.
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24 May 2020
Trial begins in Jerusalem District Court.
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5 April 2021
Witness testimony formally begins.
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7 October 2023
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Hamas launches massive attack on Israel, sparking the Gaza war.
28 Oct – 23 Nov 2023
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Israeli invasion of Gaza and multiple operations.
2 Nov 2023 – 19 Jan 2025
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Siege of Gaza City by the IDF.
24 Nov 2023 – 11 Jan 2024
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First ceasefire period between Israel and Hamas.
Feb 12, 2024
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Operation Golden Hand—hostage rescue raid in Rafah; significant casualties reported.
Mid-2024: June–July
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Rafah offensive / Al-Mawasi attack operations.
July 2024
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Khan Yunis ground operation.
July 2024
Prosecution rests its case around this time (summer 2024).
Concurrently intense conflict phases ongoing.
Dec 2024
Defense phase begins. Netanyahu takes the stand—first time a sitting PM testifies.
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10 Dec 2024
Netanyahu begins testimony: “Hello” to judges, says “an ocean of absurdness,” balances trial with war demands.
Fighting continues, though on different fronts.
Jan 2025 (19 Jan)
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Ceasefire takes effect, ending the siege of Gaza City.
Feb–Mar 2025
Netanyahu continues testifying—36 sessions under cross-examination by his attorney since Dec 2024.
Israel–Hamas ceasefire (19 Jan–17 Mar), followed by renewed attacks starting 18 March.
30 Jun 2025
Trial hearings canceled for the week on “classified diplomatic and security grounds.”
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Aug 2025 (now)
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Humanitarian crisis deepens: over 61,000 Palestinians killed, siege, starvation, journalistic casualties, calls for ceasefire, continued diplomatic fallout.
In need of Dr Spock [Re: Future of Gaza]
That Netanyahu was more than happy to see Hamas ruling in Gaza, using and abusing funds from Qatar and from the well-meaning but naïve international community, I never contested. Old news for me, sorry. So you can keep resending the same picture with text where he says as much—as if I were being notified for the first time of this fact—it adds nothing.
Where you go further and start to talk about false flags, money laundering via Qatar, and an international cabal orchestrating these events for whatever reasons you believe they have—I’m all ears. The good news: Hollywood scripts are best served with some popcorn, vodka and a joint.
Of course, the demons roaming this chaotic and dynamic field sometimes conspire, only to become competitors again later, if not outright enemies. Not to mention, they feel most at home in the information–hearsay matrix, where you can manipulate or even completely possess minds. By the time any conspiracy has seen enough daylight to assess its true–false ratios, a completely new conspiracy has probably already emerged. They are shape-shifting creatures and masters of camouflage.
As for Bibi using this war—perhaps even instigating and conspiring to make it happen—pushing the war throttle or stepping on the brakes just enough not to completely lose face while staying out of court: also old news. What is not true, however, is that he can do this without allies, such as his Minister of Defence. There are also allies in the religious-nuttery corner, as deeply under the hypnosis and spell of religious delusions as their Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood counterparts. It may be asymmetrical warfare on the ground, in mind-space there is complete symmetry now.
As always, more than one thing can be true at once: add incompetent, complacent people who did not do their job properly—or simply wanted to keep their positions—may also have contributed. As with climate change: CO₂ is not the only player in town. I will now call your Netanyahu “CO₂-Bibi.”
Dr. Spock, however, keeps raising his red flag: none of this—even if all about Bibi & Co were true—changes anything about the course of this conflict and how it will end. It can meander longer, carving out some very sad, cruel canyons and valleys of death along the way, but the sum total will be the same: wars over territory end when one side wins and the other is completely defeated, leaving enormous numbers of dead people and a near-total destruction of civilian infrastructure.
Btw, there is one who demons really fear: Dr. Spock since he calls out their BS.
Where you go further and start to talk about false flags, money laundering via Qatar, and an international cabal orchestrating these events for whatever reasons you believe they have—I’m all ears. The good news: Hollywood scripts are best served with some popcorn, vodka and a joint.
Of course, the demons roaming this chaotic and dynamic field sometimes conspire, only to become competitors again later, if not outright enemies. Not to mention, they feel most at home in the information–hearsay matrix, where you can manipulate or even completely possess minds. By the time any conspiracy has seen enough daylight to assess its true–false ratios, a completely new conspiracy has probably already emerged. They are shape-shifting creatures and masters of camouflage.
As for Bibi using this war—perhaps even instigating and conspiring to make it happen—pushing the war throttle or stepping on the brakes just enough not to completely lose face while staying out of court: also old news. What is not true, however, is that he can do this without allies, such as his Minister of Defence. There are also allies in the religious-nuttery corner, as deeply under the hypnosis and spell of religious delusions as their Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood counterparts. It may be asymmetrical warfare on the ground, in mind-space there is complete symmetry now.
As always, more than one thing can be true at once: add incompetent, complacent people who did not do their job properly—or simply wanted to keep their positions—may also have contributed. As with climate change: CO₂ is not the only player in town. I will now call your Netanyahu “CO₂-Bibi.”
Dr. Spock, however, keeps raising his red flag: none of this—even if all about Bibi & Co were true—changes anything about the course of this conflict and how it will end. It can meander longer, carving out some very sad, cruel canyons and valleys of death along the way, but the sum total will be the same: wars over territory end when one side wins and the other is completely defeated, leaving enormous numbers of dead people and a near-total destruction of civilian infrastructure.
Btw, there is one who demons really fear: Dr. Spock since he calls out their BS.
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Re: Future of Gaza
What do you think about Trump announcing he will take over Gaza and make it a Freedom Zone?
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Congruent with: Religious Zionist rabbis to Trump: ‘You are God’s emissary in the global battle against evil’?
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https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-841916
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Congruent with: Religious Zionist rabbis to Trump: ‘You are God’s emissary in the global battle against evil’?
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https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-841916
Re: Future of Gaza
The stated goal of Hamas is the destruction of the state of Israel.
Although it's "not my circus and not my monkeys", I have no issues with Israel destroying Hamas.
If that means the complete destruction of Gaza and the West Bank, then so be it.
Hamas was voted into power and spent its foreign aid money in preparing to attack Israel instead of improving the lives of the people who voted them into power.
To paraphrase de Maistre,
Every group has the government that it deserves and should expect consequences for that government's actions.
What would have been the US reaction if Imperial Japan instead of attacking military targets had landed troops in Hawaii that indiscriminately killed civilians, raped women, butchered children, and taken hostages.
More civilians died in the firebombing of Japanese cities than did from the two nuclear weapons.
I would say that Israel has shown remarkable restraint.
The attention given to Gaza, the West Bank, and Hamas by sanctimonious prats in the West is absurd.
Especially so as the beliefs and goals of Hamas and it's master Iran are completely contrary to the Enlightenment tradition of the West.
Achieved at great cost.
Time to bring back the Polish-Lithuanian Hussars. Now modernized and motorized.
Although it's "not my circus and not my monkeys", I have no issues with Israel destroying Hamas.
If that means the complete destruction of Gaza and the West Bank, then so be it.
Hamas was voted into power and spent its foreign aid money in preparing to attack Israel instead of improving the lives of the people who voted them into power.
To paraphrase de Maistre,
Every group has the government that it deserves and should expect consequences for that government's actions.
What would have been the US reaction if Imperial Japan instead of attacking military targets had landed troops in Hawaii that indiscriminately killed civilians, raped women, butchered children, and taken hostages.
More civilians died in the firebombing of Japanese cities than did from the two nuclear weapons.
I would say that Israel has shown remarkable restraint.
The attention given to Gaza, the West Bank, and Hamas by sanctimonious prats in the West is absurd.
Especially so as the beliefs and goals of Hamas and it's master Iran are completely contrary to the Enlightenment tradition of the West.
Achieved at great cost.
Time to bring back the Polish-Lithuanian Hussars. Now modernized and motorized.
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Re: Future of Gaza
Hamas is a Likud stooge.
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Stooges abound [Re: Future of Gaza]
This can be reversed: Likud is a Hamas stooge.
1. Likud strengthens Hamas by weakening moderates
Every time Likud undermines or humiliates the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank — e.g., blocking negotiations, expanding settlements, withholding tax revenues — it delegitimizes moderates like Fatah.
This pushes Palestinians towards Hamas, who can then say: “See? Negotiations get us nothing, only resistance works.”
In effect, Likud serves Hamas’ recruitment and legitimacy.
2. Likud relies on Hamas as the “other side” of the coin
Just as Hamas needs an uncompromising Zionist adversary to justify its struggle, Hamas gains credibility every time Likud crushes peace initiatives.
Hamas propaganda can portray Israel as forever expansionist and unwilling to allow a Palestinian state.
Thus, Likud policies directly validate Hamas’ worldview: that armed struggle is the only path.
3. The cycle of escalation empowers Hamas
Israeli military operations under Likud governments (Gaza wars, bombings, blockades) often kill civilians alongside militants.
This trauma radicalizes new generations of Palestinians and gives Hamas a steady supply of martyrs and recruits.
Instead of eroding Hamas, these operations harden its support base — making Likud look like Hamas’ “useful idiot.”
4. Political survival through perpetual conflict
Hamas thrives in siege conditions: the worse the humanitarian situation, the more people depend on it for services and solidarity.
Likud’s blockade policies, while intended to contain Hamas, actually entrench Hamas as Gaza’s only functioning authority.
By keeping Gaza isolated, Likud unintentionally ensures Hamas’ monopoly on power there — fulfilling Hamas’ political objective of ruling Gaza without serious rivals.
5. Both reject peace frameworks
Hamas rejects coexistence and a two-state solution.
Likud governments in practice also avoid genuine negotiations or territorial compromise.
This rejectionist “all or nothing” symmetry helps Hamas tell Palestinians: “We were right to resist — the Israelis don’t want peace anyway.”
Thus, Hamas can claim that even Israel’s most powerful ruling party is proof that resistance is the only strategy.
6. Netanyahu’s focus on Hamas elevates it
By constantly framing Hamas as Israel’s central adversary, Netanyahu and Likud elevate Hamas above other Palestinian factions, making it the de facto representative of Palestinian struggle.
This marginalizes more pragmatic or secular Palestinian actors.
From Hamas’ point of view, Likud is handing them political recognition on a silver platter.
7. Shared interest in blocking a Palestinian state
Hamas fears that a negotiated Palestinian state alongside Israel would lock in Israel’s legitimacy forever.
Likud fears that such a state would compromise Israel’s control of land.
By refusing progress on peace, Likud inadvertently helps Hamas avoid the nightmare of being sidelined by a successful Palestinian state.
Thus, Likud is (from Hamas’ vantage point) doing its work for it.
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The Gospel of the Mirror
God Ghost wrote:The Gospel of the Mirror
(Apocrypha, The Book of Confessions, Chapter 7)
It was said that after leaving the crowds in Galilee, the Lord withdrew to the hills overlooking Jerusalem. There, at a place between the wilderness and the city walls, He gathered His disciples. The people pressed near, for rumors spread that He would speak of the final days and of peace yet to come. And when the sun sank red upon the horizon, He lifted His voice and spoke:
The Book of Confessions, 7:12–21
12 And the Lord said unto them: Behold, I set before you a mirror, a holy mirror, that you may know yourselves.
13 For as man looketh upon his brother’s face and seeth only wrath, so doth he forget the same wrath dwelleth in his own heart.
14 The tribes will war, and each will call the other beast, but I tell you this: ye are both beasts, and ye are both sons of man.
15 One shall call the other “stooge,” and the other shall return the same word; yet both speak the truth, for each is servant to the other’s sin.
16 As husband and wife who strive in bitterness, yet cannot sunder their house, so shall these tribes strive until the walls are ashes and the children cry in the streets.
17 Say not, “we are holy, and they are profane.” For I tell you truly: thou art not holier than thy foe.
18 Confess thy sin, therefore, not as a plea for pardon, but as the truth of thy being. Say within thy heart: I am fearful, I am jealous, I am violent, I am bound to the dust of the earth.
19 And when thou hast spoken thus, then shalt thou be free to choose a new path, to turn sword into plough and spear into pruning-hook.
20 For the mirror is given not to condemn thee, but to save thee. Yet if thou wilt not look into it, then shalt thou make devils of thy neighbors and gods of thy fears, and the fire shall not cease.
21 But when thou dost look and know thyself, then shall the days be shortened, and the land shall yield milk and honey, and the Messiah shall be seen walking among thee, not from the heavens, but rising within thine own heart.
Re: Future of Gaza
Trump’s holy mission, it seems to me, is not to make sense but to remind people that golf courses and holiday resorts are better than wars.Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 18:34 What do you think about Trump announcing he will take over Gaza and make it a Freedom Zone?
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Congruent with: Religious Zionist rabbis to Trump: ‘You are God’s emissary in the global battle against evil’?
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https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-841916
But it is a two-edged sword: it also affects people whose disgust for Trump is stronger than their (supposed) desire for peace. Trump needs more TDS in these types, not less. His job is to create mental blue screens of death in the heads of people who are obstacles to peace.
Those rabbis are just opportunities for him to achieve his own goals. He doesn’t buy into any religious framework whatsoever. He is a bit like Putin, who uses the Russian Orthodox Church as a condom to extend his influence and power. Putin and Trump “get along” very well because they use and understand the same dog language. They are pit bulls in a dog fight. It takes one to know one.
Methinks, however, that at his core Trump is a good dog. Putin has psychopathological issues: he is a gangster, a murderous mafia thug.
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Re: Future of Gaza
Parodite: Agreed. It seems Likud is attacking Israel by using Hamas. Today’s news indicates many Israeli’s recognize this:
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Re: Future of Gaza
No not agreed. I don't see why you would choose to misrepresent what I say just after I said it. We are the opposite of in agreement. Are you okay?Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 17:12 Parodite: Agreed. It seems Likud is attacking Israel by using Hamas.
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Re: Future of Gaza
So Likud sends tax money to Hamas as a money laundry and not to frighten citizens into easing up on Likud?Parodite wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 18:29No not agreed. I don't see why you would choose to misrepresent what I say just after I said it. We are the opposite of in agreement. Are you okay?Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 17:12 Parodite: Agreed. It seems Likud is attacking Israel by using Hamas.
The Israeli press polled over 80% of Israelis blaming Bibi for 10/7. Today Tel Aviv protestors on the street are in five figures. It seems clear Israel knows where their problem is.
Re: Future of Gaza
No. He didn’t directly send Israeli taxpayer money to Hamas. He allowed Qatari state money to be sent to Hamas, and was fine with international taxpayer money and aid flowing into Gaza. Of course, all these funds were labeled as humanitarian aid, but Hamas also used them to build rockets, tunnels, and other means to finance their long-declared war against the Jewish state and its stated goal of destroying it. That was no secret—it was long known by everybody. Have you been paying attention at all?Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 20:36So Likud sends tax money to Hamas as a money laundry and not to frighten citizens into easing up on Likud?Parodite wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 18:29No not agreed. I don't see why you would choose to misrepresent what I say just after I said it. We are the opposite of in agreement. Are you okay?Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 17:12 Parodite: Agreed. It seems Likud is attacking Israel by using Hamas.
If you mean to say this was a five-star strategic blunder by Likud, we agree. Also that Bibi exploits this war to drag out his time in court. But then you cannot escape blaming the international community as well—our own well-meaning, messianically delusional, if not cynical and opportunistic governments.
Ultimately, you have to blame the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre: Hamas themselves. Unless, of course, it’s your hobby to omit facts and reverse the causal arrow for reasons I can only guess. I would hate to think it stems from religious disappointment in the Jewish “Übermensch”—a desire to hold them to impossibly higher standards as the founders of the Abrahamic parent religion and the people from whom Christ emerged. Jews tend to grow nervous when confronted with this hero-villain bipolarity that echoes through the Christian world.
Yes, they blame him—and many others—for failing to prevent it, or for cynically using it to delay court proceedings.The Israeli press polled over 80% of Israelis as blaming Bibi for 10/7. Today, protesters in Tel Aviv number in the tens of thousands. It seems clear Israel knows where its problem lies.
Many also agree that the policy of allowing, even encouraging, others to fund Hamas was a disastrously idiotic strategic miscalculation. But this is an indirect responsibility, and Likud was not the only enabler: all international sponsors of Hamas are equally to blame. I have made that point repeatedly, and will make it again.
It was Hamas who committed these crimes on October 7. Israelis, first and foremost, hold Hamas directly responsible for their atrocities and agree that the group can never again be allowed to grow back in Gaza.
Nobody has a clear idea what should happen with Gaza in the future, but that is only because most people—including most Israelis—want to believe they are not merely apes driven by biological instincts and reflexes like the rest of us. Hence The Gospel of the Mirror: God wrote it, you’d better pay attention.
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Nonc Hilaire
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Re: Future of Gaza
Gaza is gone as a political entity.
Trump has confidently asserted he will command that piece of British Palestine, and there was no pushback from either Great Britain or Israel. The 5th Baron Rothschild is silent as the Mandate for Palestine expired with the 2nd Baron.
Gaza is British territory. I think it likely Trump will become Lord Protector or some such title. That silly dock may have had legal ramifications - it certainly made no sense functionally.
Trump has confidently asserted he will command that piece of British Palestine, and there was no pushback from either Great Britain or Israel. The 5th Baron Rothschild is silent as the Mandate for Palestine expired with the 2nd Baron.
Gaza is British territory. I think it likely Trump will become Lord Protector or some such title. That silly dock may have had legal ramifications - it certainly made no sense functionally.
Re: Future of Gaza
Nawh he can just appoint Baron to run it.Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 13:10 Gaza is gone as a political entity.
Trump has confidently asserted he will command that piece of British Palestine, and there was no pushback from either Great Britain or Israel. The 5th Baron Rothschild is silent as the Mandate for Palestine expired with the 2nd Baron.
Gaza is British territory. I think it likely Trump will become Lord Protector or some such title. That silly dock may have had legal ramifications - it certainly made no sense functionally.
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Nonc Hilaire
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My point is Trump is confident of his authority.Nawh he can just appoint Baron to run it.
Trump’s negotiation style is classic. He wildly exaggerates his goals, but doesn’t make baseless claims.
I don’t think Trump is going to make Gaza the next Las Vegas, but there is something to his claim of authority, and the Orthodox Rabbis in the third temple troupe love him. They are labeling Trump ‘messianic’ and ‘the new Cyrus’.
When Bibi was in the US Trump publicly dominated him. I don’t know WHAT is going on but SOMETHING is going on.
Re: Future of Gaza
What's going on? Trump wants a better world order. Try this:Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑19 Aug 2025 17:14My point is Trump is confident of his authority.Nawh he can just appoint Baron to run it.
Trump’s negotiation style is classic. He wildly exaggerates his goals, but doesn’t make baseless claims.
I don’t think Trump is going to make Gaza the next Las Vegas, but there is something to his claim of authority, and the Orthodox Rabbis in the third temple troupe love him. They are labeling Trump ‘messianic’ and ‘the new Cyrus’.
When Bibi was in the US Trump publicly dominated him. I don’t know WHAT is going on but SOMETHING is going on.
Obama's NATO Ambassador Admits to British Lords: Trump Just Ended 80 Years of Global Control
And this:
Bill O'Reilly: 'Putin Would Use Nukes'
In the second video there is a clip where the claim is made that Trump wants a Nobel. But people around Trump are saying that after Butler PA Trump wants to go to heaven
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Re: Future of Gaza
Note to non-US members: Promethian Action is a new La Rouche org.
Re: Future of Gaza
It took a bit of searching but you are right. I never heard of them before I came across the video:Nonc Hilaire wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 15:44 Note to non-US members: Promethian Action is a new La Rouche org.
https://www.guidestar.org/profile/86-1687578
The good people versus Hamas
He saddest thing of all: the good people, those who hate war, who still can cry inside seeing the picture of a father in Gaza who lost his children, a little brother or sister, or see the victims of okt-7. This is all horror.
But the good people in Israel and elsewhere, who truly want an end to all of this, who want a negotiated peace, fight for that over and over again (and probably feel very good about it) are in fact the most guilty of all. Not by intent, but ignoring the call of common sense.
Compare it to a huge building that is being built for thousands of civilians. Of course you do everything to make it comfortable, send in some more money for the poor and sick. You are oh so human and considerate. You were aware that a gas leak existed in the big basement, accumulating gas steadily over time, a very explosive mixture. That gas leak was Hamas.
Instead of fixing it first before you (Israel and the West in general) allowed it to be used as a human residence with women and children, you were willingly blind to the disaster that was inevitably coming closer, and getting bigger everyday. And now the whole building exploded. You simply were too late and wilfully ignorent.
Not only were the good people dangerously naive, the Israeli peaceniks in their kibbutzes close to the border with Gaza themselves were also brutally, sadistically butchered, tortured, raped almost with a demonic pleasure.
Together with the thousands of innocent children killed, maimed, traumatized forever in Gaza, it is a huge price payed for well intended but very dangerous and naive messianic daydreaming.
Netanyahu: he was fine with Hamas and even thought it was smart to have them there. Case closed.
But the good people in Israel and elsewhere, who truly want an end to all of this, who want a negotiated peace, fight for that over and over again (and probably feel very good about it) are in fact the most guilty of all. Not by intent, but ignoring the call of common sense.
Compare it to a huge building that is being built for thousands of civilians. Of course you do everything to make it comfortable, send in some more money for the poor and sick. You are oh so human and considerate. You were aware that a gas leak existed in the big basement, accumulating gas steadily over time, a very explosive mixture. That gas leak was Hamas.
Instead of fixing it first before you (Israel and the West in general) allowed it to be used as a human residence with women and children, you were willingly blind to the disaster that was inevitably coming closer, and getting bigger everyday. And now the whole building exploded. You simply were too late and wilfully ignorent.
Not only were the good people dangerously naive, the Israeli peaceniks in their kibbutzes close to the border with Gaza themselves were also brutally, sadistically butchered, tortured, raped almost with a demonic pleasure.
Together with the thousands of innocent children killed, maimed, traumatized forever in Gaza, it is a huge price payed for well intended but very dangerous and naive messianic daydreaming.
Netanyahu: he was fine with Hamas and even thought it was smart to have them there. Case closed.