Why are these guys always Republicans?

[Ibrahim]

Rather the trend appears to be growth in governments especially in the parts devoted to surveillance and suppression of the citizenry.

The error lies in linking governments to markets, and misunderstanding which is dependent on the other.

Obviously Republicans love the market and loathe government (except the military and policing elements of it), but they also increasingly predict future chaos in which their basements full of guns will become necessary should, say, the wrong candidate win in 2012. Like the famous Ryan budget, it doesn't add up.

[Mr. Perfect]

Conservatism in US politics means limited government. Since governments around the world are going out of business, . . . . .

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For example?

Rather the trend appears to be growth in governments especially in the parts devoted to surveillance and suppression of the citizenry.

Yes, and real estate always goes up.

Governments can borrow indefinitely is the new Real estate always goes up.

[Mr. Perfect]

Like the famous Ryan budget, it doesn't add up.

It's not supposed to add up. It's supposed to subtract down.

[Mr. Perfect]

The error lies in linking governments to markets, and misunderstanding which is dependent on the other.

Markets exist without governments (black markets). Government cannot exist without markets (tax revenues/confiscated wealth).

[Mr. Perfect]

but they also increasingly predict future chaos.

Present chaos keeps our hands full, please don't add any more.

[Typhoon]

Conservatism in US politics means limited government. Since governments around the world are going out of business, . . . . .

?

For example?

Rather the trend appears to be growth in governments especially in the parts devoted to surveillance and suppression of the citizenry.

Yes, and real estate always goes up.

Governments can borrow indefinitely is the new Real estate always goes up.

Greece is flat broke. The government is still very much in place.

[Mr. Perfect]

If you say so. In related news, we still have houses in America.

[Jnalum Persicum]

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The current Republican Party is dominated by right-wing extremists hell-bent on galvanizing the United States into a militant Christian hegemony.



Folks ,

Mr. Perfect , Monster and a few others

By now, last few yrs, you had your fun dissecting Islam and Muslims and and and

Poor Hussein Barakat swearing to G_D he no Muslim, but, you wouldn't let go

well

What about now do a bit looking-into that stuff saying Jesus in Manhattan took the lift to basement and deposited his new Book on the table

Funny rumors circling about that Mormonism .. seems lot of intelligence community Mormons


well ,

Mr. Perfect,

you go first

all ears



just to refresh your memories :

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka the Mormons), with its history of religious severity, appears to be a perfect fit for the über-orthodoxy of the Tea Party-controlled GOP. Despite misgivings that many non-Mormon Republicans may have (most Christian groups don’t consider the Mormons to be Christians), the history and doctrine of the Mormon faith seem to go hand in hand with the kind of derelict bigotry and racism that the current GOP espouses.

Mitt Romney is a lifetime member of the Mormon Church, with deep roots that stretch back to the earliest days of Mormonism. Romney’s great grandfather practiced polygamy in Mexico in Colonia Juarez, Chihuahua, where many Mormon polygamists fled to evade the Edmunds Act of 1882. Romney has served in leadership positions in the church throughout his life, including being a bishop (the pastor of a church) as well as spending 30 months proselytizing in France as missionary from 1966-1969. These are all well-known facts that can be found through a variety sources, as well as from statements made by Romney himself. However, many facets of his involvement with the notoriously enigmatic sect remain completely unknown not only to most Americans but to many Mormons as well.

Mormonism has an extensive history of secretiveness, deception, and malfeasance. The clandestine nature of this religion is as prevalent as ever, as much with its extra-religious business affairs, as with its secretive religious practices. The Mormons have two distinctly different buildings that they use in the observance of their religious practices, namely, chapels and temples. Chapels are open to all members of the congregation plus visitors, and are the location of normal Sunday services such as “sacrament meeting” (Sunday mass) as well as Sunday school. Temples are only open to those members who adhere completely to the strict standards of Mormonism, including unwavering loyalty to the president of the church, regular church attendance, and, of course, paying full tithes (10 per cent of gross income, as well as monthly donations known as “fast offerings”).

Within the temples, various liturgies known as “temple ordinances” are carried out. These rites derive from Masonic rituals (Mormon founder Joseph Smith was a Mason) and include “baptism for the dead,” the so-called endowment (for living and dead), and “temple sealings” (temple marriages for living and dead). The level of secretiveness surrounding the temples is extraordinary, so much so that members of the Mormon Church who have not been to the temple have virtually no idea as to what they entail. Several details regarding these ordinances not only make Mitt Romney incapable of upholding the First Amendment, but also call into question where his true allegiances really are.

Before Mormons are allowed to enter a temple (there are well over 130 temples in operation today, and more being built), they must be interviewed by two separate tiers of ecclesiastical leadership to determine their worthiness to enter these edifices. These temple recommend interviews are the first issue of concern regarding Mitt Romney. Among the various questions asked of a member, one particular question goes as follows: “Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” The very nature of this question, coupled with several others regarding complete obedience to the president of the church (or “prophet”), put into question the overall allegiance of Mitt Romney (and, indeed, all Mormons).

If members are found to be in violation of this question (or any other from the list of questions), they will not be allowed to enter the temple. Being blocked from entering the temple is tantamount to being blocked from Heaven, albeit temporarily (they can always repent). The divisive nature of that particular question, coupled with its inherent ambiguity, provides the ecclesiastical leaders with carte blanche to blackmail members into complete obedience. The church leadership has proven to be quite draconian in the enforcement of member fealty (just put this question to Mormons in California relative to Prop 8).

Among the various ordinances performed in the temples, none are more divisive than the Law of Consecration. This rite requires members to pledge all their time, money, and abilities to the establishment of the kingdom of heaven on earth (the Mormon kingdom). Couple this with the demand to sustain the president of the church as the only prophet seer and revelator on earth and a particularly troubling form of absolute obedience emerges. Mormons are devoted to their faith on an extraordinary level. Shackled with the spiritual tyranny espoused by the Mormon faith, members literally must do what they are told by the prophet, and dissent only results in excommunication.

Another interesting facet of Mormonism that has seen some light recently is the White Horse Prophecy. The basis of this prophecy comes from a diary entry made by John Roberts who related that Joseph Smith had prophesied in 1840 regarding the uncertain future of the United States and that, at a certain point, the Constitution would “hang by a thread” and the leaders of the LDS Church would come forth to protect and restore the Constitution. Despite the continued controversy regarding the authenticity of this account, the White Horse Prophecy has been embraced by Mormon culture. Mitt Romney has denied that it is part of his own beliefs, despite his father’s own stance on the subject (he felt that Mormons would, in fact, save the Constitution). Glenn Beck has referred to this in his own crazed rants over and over. The White Horse prophecy is embedded into the very fabric of Mormonism.


Mitt Romney has said that he feels that voters do not need be concerned as to where he goes to church on Sunday. This is an incredible statement, given the secretive nature of Mormonism. With this secretiveness, it is impossible for voters to recognize the deception inherent in Romney’s statement. Voters may not be concerned if the church in question doesn’t demand absolute fealty, or employ various coercive means to control its members, or even place loyalty to the leaders of that church above allegiance to the United States. Unfortunately for Romney and for the U.S. Constitution, if he becomes the president, the Mormon faith is all those things and more.

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[Jnalum Persicum]

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strange

any thread I post

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[Ibrahim]

This guy (unlike the others I've mentioned) isn't actually a Republican representative, but his apparently hypocritical family values boilerplate and his preposterous anti-Obama film clearly place him with the elephant gang.

http://gawker.com/5953049/married-dines ... so-married

Married Dinesh D’Souza’s Mistress: Also Married
Another layer of intrigue has been revealed in the saga of the downfall of conservative academic and rising Evangelical star Dinesh D'Souza, who resigned from his perch atop King's College today after it was revealed that he had a fiancee while also having a wife. Right Wing Watch reports that his mistress/fiancée, Denise Odie Joseph II, was also married, and said in April that she was going to vote for Mitt Romney, "because [her] husband told her to."

At least he resigned. I guess King's College is more finicky about conduct than the Arkansas GOP.

[Mr. Perfect]

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Folks ,

Mr. Perfect , Monster and a few others

By now, last few yrs, you had your fun dissecting Islam and Muslims and and and

JN, know very little about Islam (have found it uninteresting), but respect Muslims nonetheless. Met very many quality people who are Muslim, not least of which Hans Bulvai. No problem with Muslims, or Islam.

Islamic countries however, quite hellish. Different thing altogether.

Poor Hussein Barakat swearing to G_D he no Muslim, but, you wouldn't let go

Personally, never mentioned (maybe kidded) IIRC.

.. can't stop laughing, MP


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JN, all mormon secrets are online, anyone who wants to save the constitution is fine by me, many mormons including Harry Reid have held government positions (they run their own state), can't find them acting subversively. However, non-mormon politicians act subversively all the time.

[Ibrahim]

Republican congressman this time. From a Yankee state no less.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... nneccesary

Republican Joe Walsh: abortions to save mother's life never necessary

A Republican congressman has said that abortions should not be allowed even when the mother's life is at risk because of advances in "modern technology and science".

Joe Walsh of Illinois told reporters on Thursday that "you can't find one instance" where it has been necessary to perform an abortion due to the risk to the mother's life, citing medical advances.

The comments have prompted criticism, with some comparing Walsh's remarks to fellow Republican Todd Akin's infamous assertion that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy.

Lots of amateur biology enthusiasts in the GOP.

[monster_gardener]

This guy (unlike the others I've mentioned) isn't actually a Republican representative, but his apparently hypocritical family values boilerplate and his preposterous anti-Obama film clearly place him with the elephant gang.

http://gawker.com/5953049/married-dines ... so-married

Married Dinesh D’Souza’s Mistress: Also Married
Another layer of intrigue has been revealed in the saga of the downfall of conservative academic and rising Evangelical star Dinesh D'Souza, who resigned from his perch atop King's College today after it was revealed that he had a fiancee while also having a wife. Right Wing Watch reports that his mistress/fiancée, Denise Odie Joseph II, was also married, and said in April that she was going to vote for Mitt Romney, "because [her] husband told her to."

At least he resigned. I guess King's College is more finicky about conduct than the Arkansas GOP.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

I guess King's College is more finicky about conduct than the Arkansas GOP.

And I would guess King's College is more finicky about conduct than the Arkansas Democratic Party *




*Bill & Gennifer & Paula & Monica.............

[monster_gardener]

Republican congressman this time. From a Yankee state no less.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... nneccesary

Republican Joe Walsh: abortions to save mother's life never necessary

A Republican congressman has said that abortions should not be allowed even when the mother's life is at risk because of advances in "modern technology and science".

Joe Walsh of Illinois told reporters on Thursday that "you can't find one instance" where it has been necessary to perform an abortion due to the risk to the mother's life, citing medical advances.

The comments have prompted criticism, with some comparing Walsh's remarks to fellow Republican Todd Akin's infamous assertion that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy.

Lots of amateur biology enthusiasts in the GOP.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim........

Lots of amateur biology enthusiasts in the GOP.

Lots of amateur climatology enthusiasts in the Democrat Party......

[Ibrahim]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Rape Remark Jolts a Senate Race, and the Presidential One, Too
WASHINGTON — The incendiary topic of rape and abortion re-entered the 2012 campaign Wednesday and threatened to singe Mitt Romney after [Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock's] comments that pregnancies conceived by rape should not be aborted because “God intended” conception to happen.
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“I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God,” he said. “And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

At least this one isn't pseudo-scientific, but strictly theological.

[monster_gardener]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Rape Remark Jolts a Senate Race, and the Presidential One, Too
WASHINGTON — The incendiary topic of rape and abortion re-entered the 2012 campaign Wednesday and threatened to singe Mitt Romney after [Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock's] comments that pregnancies conceived by rape should not be aborted because “God intended” conception to happen.
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“I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God,” he said. “And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

At least this one isn't pseudo-scientific, but strictly theological.

Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

IMVHO what may need to be done is to reduce the cost of complying with 'G_d's will' though I suspect that the Devil may be more involved with rape.....

Perhaps something on the order of complete compensation of prenatal & child care costs plus some sort of salary for being a care giver till the child resulting from the rape is adopted or finishes/drops out of high school

It's probably going to cost big time but practically if you want to have people do the right thing, it is wise to make it as easy as possible to do the right thing.

Not fair to dump all of the costs in time, money and pain on the rape victim especially considering how short sentences are....... Recalling a six year sentence for rape......... Soldier in Korea IIRC.........

Also wondering if support for Right to Life would wane on the Right....

A lot of the callers on the local talk radio are always complaining about welfare mothers.........

Maybe it would decline ....... Maybe not.....

But I suspect that measures to prevent it from happening might get draconian.........

Remembering a Cartoon in a Central American Newspaper proposing Castration/Caponizacion for Rapists to permit Women to Wander at night without Risk.........

IMVHO It Might work......

But to keep the power equation equal there might have to be also pretty or rather ugly penalties for false accusations of rape...
Or blackmail or extortion there too...... Pay me/Marry me or else...........

Massive mutilation to the point that a burqa would be necessary to keep from frightening children........... perhaps enslavement to the accused ....or being made a sexual outlaw who anyone could rape at will .... Being sent as a Comfort Grrl* to a Penitentiary ..........

Of course there is the law of unintended consequences.......

Make the penalty too high and more murders result.... Dead girls & boys tell fewer tales.........

Best would be certainty of apprehension but doesn't seem too likely........


*Or boy........

[YMix]

[Mr. Perfect]

Father of them all:

Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Gennifer Flowers;

[Mr. Perfect]

But the grandfather of them all. I don't think you can find a single leftist who thought that was a legitimate rape.

[YMix]

Father of them all:

Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Gennifer Flowers;

Bill Clinton is a left wing icon? Your people are strange.

[Mr. Perfect]

Let's not forget the Kennedy highlight reel. No Democrat thought this was legitmate rape.

[Mr. Perfect]

And of course in Kennedy Democrat land if you're a woman your murder may not even be legitimate. Careful around those Democrats and Kennedies, ladies. Be real careful.

[Zack Morris]

I guess Bill Clinton had that much more to offer as a person and a leader. These other guys are irredeemable. Outside of rape, what have they got to offer?

[Mr. Perfect]

No Zack, we're in total agreement. Some rapes are more legitimate than others, no question about it. You, me, Akin, we all agree.

[Skin Job]

Sad that abortion can never discussed rationally. That's what this rape business is really all about.

There exist sound, secular arguments that can be made about government's role in limiting abortions to which stuttering, elected buffoons ought adhere, if they weren't so busy pandering their perceived constituency.

Of course there are excellent arguments favoring unfettered access to abortion also, especially early on.

The religious concept of "ensoulment" brings a lot of baggage to a debate that otherwise might have been satisfactorily settled long ago. Then again, there still remain some old-guard feminists that conversely expound their philosophies with quasi-religious fervor.