The protests have many different origins. In Brazil people rose up against bus fares, in Turkey against a building project. Indonesians have rejected higher fuel prices, Bulgarians the government’s cronyism. In the euro zone they march against austerity, and the Arab spring has become a perma-protest against pretty much everything. Each angry demonstration is angry in its own way.
Yet just as in 1848, 1968 and 1989, when people also found a collective voice, the demonstrators have much in common. Over the past few weeks, in one country after another, protesters have risen up with bewildering speed. They have been more active in democracies than dictatorships. They tend to be ordinary, middle-class people, not lobbies with lists of demands. Their mix of revelry and rage condemns the corruption, inefficiency and arrogance of the folk in charge.
Protests around the world
Protests around the world
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OWS is out there going around to each of those protests creating international networks as well.Typhoon wrote:Economist | A wave of anger is sweeping the cities of the world. Politicians beware
The protests have many different origins. In Brazil people rose up against bus fares, in Turkey against a building project. Indonesians have rejected higher fuel prices, Bulgarians the government’s cronyism. In the euro zone they march against austerity, and the Arab spring has become a perma-protest against pretty much everything. Each angry demonstration is angry in its own way.
Yet just as in 1848, 1968 and 1989, when people also found a collective voice, the demonstrators have much in common. Over the past few weeks, in one country after another, protesters have risen up with bewildering speed. They have been more active in democracies than dictatorships. They tend to be ordinary, middle-class people, not lobbies with lists of demands. Their mix of revelry and rage condemns the corruption, inefficiency and arrogance of the folk in charge.
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It's interesting how little people care about this stuff.
Even on highly literate forums such as this one people are far more interested in talking about the moves made by the elite than the moves made by the people.
This sort of perception is part of why the Elite rule, they rule by garnering attention.
Even on highly literate forums such as this one people are far more interested in talking about the moves made by the elite than the moves made by the people.
This sort of perception is part of why the Elite rule, they rule by garnering attention.
Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.
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The mass unrest or the activities of the elite?noddy wrote:funny - i thought that was all we talked about.
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well - barring a few well-to-do's most of us here are these mythical masses so its somewhat difficult to talk about such things any differently than we currently do - its not like you,sm,dou and zack are all the same "american mass" or if the bigger picture of america has any more coherancy of viewpoint than that little subset.Enki wrote:The mass unrest or the activities of the elite?noddy wrote:funny - i thought that was all we talked about.
beyond that we have our little pool of foreigners each from a different country, each in a completely different environment with different problems and conditions.
one thing i can say for sure is that it was china that kept the rest of the world going recently due to america and europes problems and now china is going into post credit boom restructure mode its going to get even uglier and even more protest laden over the next year or two - the entire planet will be in proper anger mode and thats going to be interesting... deadly interesting
hold onto your hat - in some ways america and europe are ahead on this next stage because you started crashing earlier - im frontline for the china slowdown and my country is still in the early denial stages.
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As people all over the world get more educated, inequality and lack of justice becomes a major sore for many. Being rich doesn't justify becoming richer. People demand respect and fairness, and a chance to economic stability. The oligarchy is going to have a tough time, and their repressive apparatus may no longer be enough to keep the proles down. Better distribution of wealth and income will be mandatory, and if capitalism cannot provide it, then we will have to find an alternative.
Priorities are:
1. Development of renewable forms of energy, with the emphasis on solar energy.
2. Systematic recycling, to save resources.
3. Shift to cooperatives as the normal firm structure.
4. Reduction of working hours to eliminate unemployment, with higher production costs to be offset by innovation.
5. Global debt pardon.
6. State/community control of all financial institutions.
7. More participatory/direct democracy.
8. An end to all military bases abroad, and to all foreign military intervention anywhere in the world.
9. The UN as the only body allowed to intervene militarily where human rights are being disregarded.
A new world order must be based on the above.
Priorities are:
1. Development of renewable forms of energy, with the emphasis on solar energy.
2. Systematic recycling, to save resources.
3. Shift to cooperatives as the normal firm structure.
4. Reduction of working hours to eliminate unemployment, with higher production costs to be offset by innovation.
5. Global debt pardon.
6. State/community control of all financial institutions.
7. More participatory/direct democracy.
8. An end to all military bases abroad, and to all foreign military intervention anywhere in the world.
9. The UN as the only body allowed to intervene militarily where human rights are being disregarded.
A new world order must be based on the above.
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Thank You Very Much for your post, Endo.Endovelico wrote:As people all over the world get more educated, inequality and lack of justice becomes a major sore for many. Being rich doesn't justify becoming richer. People demand respect and fairness, and a chance to economic stability. The oligarchy is going to have a tough time, and their repressive apparatus may no longer be enough to keep the proles down. Better distribution of wealth and income will be mandatory, and if capitalism cannot provide it, then we will have to find an alternative.
Priorities are:
1. Development of renewable forms of energy, with the emphasis on solar energy.
2. Systematic recycling, to save resources.
3. Shift to cooperatives as the normal firm structure.
4. Reduction of working hours to eliminate unemployment, with higher production costs to be offset by innovation.
5. Global debt pardon.
6. State/community control of all financial institutions.
7. More participatory/direct democracy.
8. An end to all military bases abroad, and to all foreign military intervention anywhere in the world.
9. The UN as the only body allowed to intervene militarily where human rights are being disregarded.
A new world order must be based on the above.
Although I like solar power, I am not sure it is up to our needs/wants...........1. Development of renewable forms of energy, with the emphasis on solar energy.
IMHO some sort of safe nuclear power like CANDU is going to be needed.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reac ... y_features
Put a bucket in your shower........ Use the gray water to irrigate your garden........2. Systematic recycling, to save resources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_water
The UN has a rather bad record on doing this........ inaction in Africa and the Balkans come immediately to mind...... Rapes in Africa also........9. The UN as the only body allowed to intervene militarily where human rights are being disregarded.
Including illegal invasion oops I mean immigration.....8. An end to all military bases abroad, and to all foreign military intervention anywhere in the world.
And the military bases known as mosques where besides weapon storage
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi ... -base.html
instruction is sometimes given to Muslims to consider themselves "soldiers behind enemy lines" when in non-Muslim lands.......
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It's not particularly newsworthy because the people protesting continually vote in people who do what they are protesting. Fleabaggers ushered in the era of the permanent 1% while the Brazilians will vote in whoever promises the most free stuff.
Cultural suicide.
Cultural suicide.
Censorship isn't necessary
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This is exactly the kind of thing that freaks out the editorial board at The Economist. If ever there was a beacon of stability-for-stability's-sake its them. Don't revolt, peasants, you're screwing up my portfolio.Typhoon wrote:Economist | A wave of anger is sweeping the cities of the world. Politicians beware
The protests have many different origins. In Brazil people rose up against bus fares, in Turkey against a building project. Indonesians have rejected higher fuel prices, Bulgarians the government’s cronyism. In the euro zone they march against austerity, and the Arab spring has become a perma-protest against pretty much everything. Each angry demonstration is angry in its own way.
Yet just as in 1848, 1968 and 1989, when people also found a collective voice, the demonstrators have much in common. Over the past few weeks, in one country after another, protesters have risen up with bewildering speed. They have been more active in democracies than dictatorships. They tend to be ordinary, middle-class people, not lobbies with lists of demands. Their mix of revelry and rage condemns the corruption, inefficiency and arrogance of the folk in charge.
But if we take the long view this is all pretty mellow. Some minor violence, but compared to the history of social upheaval in Europe and Asia this is very light stuff. I'm all for it. The police could always ease up a bit though.
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If they don't ease up they are going to start getting shot at.Ibrahim wrote:This is exactly the kind of thing that freaks out the editorial board at The Economist. If ever there was a beacon of stability-for-stability's-sake its them. Don't revolt, peasants, you're screwing up my portfolio.Typhoon wrote:Economist | A wave of anger is sweeping the cities of the world. Politicians beware
The protests have many different origins. In Brazil people rose up against bus fares, in Turkey against a building project. Indonesians have rejected higher fuel prices, Bulgarians the government’s cronyism. In the euro zone they march against austerity, and the Arab spring has become a perma-protest against pretty much everything. Each angry demonstration is angry in its own way.
Yet just as in 1848, 1968 and 1989, when people also found a collective voice, the demonstrators have much in common. Over the past few weeks, in one country after another, protesters have risen up with bewildering speed. They have been more active in democracies than dictatorships. They tend to be ordinary, middle-class people, not lobbies with lists of demands. Their mix of revelry and rage condemns the corruption, inefficiency and arrogance of the folk in charge.
But if we take the long view this is all pretty mellow. Some minor violence, but compared to the history of social upheaval in Europe and Asia this is very light stuff. I'm all for it. The police could always ease up a bit though.
Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.
-Alexander Hamilton
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If they don't ease up they are going to start getting shot at.Ibrahim wrote:This is exactly the kind of thing that freaks out the editorial board at The Economist. If ever there was a beacon of stability-for-stability's-sake its them. Don't revolt, peasants, you're screwing up my portfolio.Typhoon wrote:Economist | A wave of anger is sweeping the cities of the world. Politicians beware
The protests have many different origins. In Brazil people rose up against bus fares, in Turkey against a building project. Indonesians have rejected higher fuel prices, Bulgarians the government’s cronyism. In the euro zone they march against austerity, and the Arab spring has become a perma-protest against pretty much everything. Each angry demonstration is angry in its own way.
Yet just as in 1848, 1968 and 1989, when people also found a collective voice, the demonstrators have much in common. Over the past few weeks, in one country after another, protesters have risen up with bewildering speed. They have been more active in democracies than dictatorships. They tend to be ordinary, middle-class people, not lobbies with lists of demands. Their mix of revelry and rage condemns the corruption, inefficiency and arrogance of the folk in charge.
But if we take the long view this is all pretty mellow. Some minor violence, but compared to the history of social upheaval in Europe and Asia this is very light stuff. I'm all for it. The police could always ease up a bit though.
Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.
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