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Told you, Monster, told you .. CIA agent : America has switched sides in the war on terror under President Obama.


You guys with Ossama & Mr. Baghdadi :lol: :lol:

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Why the switch ?

Lopez explained, when the so-called Arab Spring appeared in late 2010, “It was time to bring down the secular Muslim rulers who did not enforce Islamic law. And America helped.”

And why would Obama want to do that?

As she told WND earlier this month, Lopez believed the Muslim Brotherhood has thoroughly infiltrated the Obama administration and other branches of the federal government.

She also came to the conclusion Obama had essentially the same goals in the Mideast as the late Osama bin Laden: “to remove American power and influence, including military forces, from Islamic lands.”

Why would Obama order the killing of bin Laden?

Because the president “couldn’t delay any longer,” once the opportunity was presented, Lopez told WND.

There were “no more excuses” available to avoid it and he “thought it might look good,” she mused.

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Well, Doc, no hiding the truth anymore .. "good cop Bad cop" no follin Ahmadinjeat :lol:

Iran supporting "secular" Assad, and you guys support ISIS


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Henry Kissinger saying "The concept that has underpinned the modern geopolitical era is in crisis"
Assembly of a New World Order


The years from perhaps 1948 to the turn of the century marked a brief moment in human history when one could speak of an incipient global world order composed of an amalgam of American idealism and traditional European concepts of statehood and balance of power. But vast regions of the world have never shared and only acquiesced in the Western concept of order. These reservations are now becoming explicit, for example, in the Ukraine crisis and the South China Sea. The order established and proclaimed by the West stands at a turning point.

First, the nature of the state itself—the basic formal unit of international life—has been subjected to a multitude of pressures. Europe has set out to transcend the state and craft a foreign policy based primarily on the principles of soft power. But it is doubtful that claims to legitimacy separated from a concept of strategy can sustain a world order. And Europe has not yet given itself attributes of statehood, tempting a vacuum of authority internally and an imbalance of power along its borders. At the same time, parts of the Middle East have dissolved into sectarian and ethnic components in conflict with each other; religious militias and the powers backing them violate borders and sovereignty at will, producing the phenomenon of failed states not controlling their own territory.

much more @ link

interesting essay

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ISIS, Tele Aviv, Ankara, Baku Axis


Turkey had agreed to buy both drones and prohibited intelligence sensors from Israel. That sale was cancelled but in reality continued unabated. The Turkish and Israel armed forces continued to train together including joint air operations training for attacks on Iran.

It was during these exercises in 2010 that Israel’s clandestine forward deployment of attack aircraft to Azerbaijan was discovered. Azerbaijan had claimed that Russian-backed “Armenian rebels” had seized two fighter bases near the Iranian border. In actuality, these were turned over to Israel in partial exchange for Israel’s agreement to train and equip Azerbaijan’s military forces.

In a statement on Sunday, Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) said it had successfully intercepted and shot down an Israeli spy drone by a surface-to-air missile, known as Hermes 450. The aircraft was on its way toward the Natanz nuclear facility in Iran’s central province of Isfahan, reported the Fars news agency.

On Wednesday, Iranian Fars News Agency quoted the Deputy Chief of Staff of Iran’s Armed Forces, Brigadier General Masoud Jazayeri said the country whence the drone originated must make “compensatory actions” or else be publicly named.

Jazayeri also said that Iran will take decisive action and hinted that in retaliation for what he called Israel’s infringement on its territorial integrity ‘the Islamic Republic of Iran will respond to the enemy in the occupied territories [Palestinian territories].’

Iran’s foreign ministry said that Iran would pursue the matter within international organizations.

Official Baku has not commented on the matter.

Less publicly, in fact, in a highly secret deal, Israel began updating Turkey’s American F16 aircraft with advanced avionics and bombing systems. This deal alone, upgrading Turkey’s air force with beyond that of even Saudi Arabia, clearly demonstrates how little possibility Tel Aviv puts on Turkey being a potential security threat to Israel.

Shared Objectives
Looking at any broad program of instability in the Middle East and Caspian Basin region and not figuring issues of crude oil, natural gas and the network of pipelines through the region into the equation is insane.

An unreported reality, one the media has overlooked, perhaps not innocently, is that, despite the fact that both Libya and Iraq, two of the world’s major oil and gas producers are nearly “offline,” oil prices are plunging.

In the United States, with the upcoming Labor Day holiday weekend here, a time when fuel prices skyrocket, gasoline prices are nearly down 30% from last year despite a stock market at all-time highs and unemployment nearing “pre-Bush collapse” levels.

Without the war on world oil supplies, a total price collapse would ensue, destroying the futures market, crashing the Euro and dollar bankrupting the futures speculators who may well have been behind funding much of the “Arab spring.”

It doesn’t take a genius to see ISIS and the “Axis” chasing oil and gas, securing production facilities, pipelines and refineries.

It also doesn’t take a genius to see the real “back door” for ISIS, not Syria but Turkey. A flurry of “coincidental wars,” false flag terrorism, unexplained military successes, orchestrated and theatrical conflicts, without attributing a wider agenda and the hand of more than a few “players.”


:lol: .. you no foolin Ahmadinejat


pretty much you can kiss good-bye "Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan" pipeline


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ISIS, Tele Aviv, Ankara, Baku Axis
An unreported reality, one the media has overlooked, perhaps not innocently, is that, despite the fact that both Libya and Iraq, two of the world’s major oil and gas producers are nearly “offline,” oil prices are plunging.

In the United States, with the upcoming Labor Day holiday weekend here, a time when fuel prices skyrocket, gasoline prices are nearly down 30% from last year despite a stock market at all-time highs and unemployment nearing “pre-Bush collapse” levels.

Without the war on world oil supplies, a total price collapse would ensue, destroying the futures market, crashing the Euro and dollar bankrupting the futures speculators who may well have been behind funding much of the “Arab spring.”
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Gas prices down by 30% in the US? Image

Just goes to show that PressTV just makes stuff up as needed. ;)
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Crazy

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Crazy

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Yes Russia Today is the crazy propaganda channel of the Kremlin.
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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Crazy

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Yes Russia Today is the crazy propaganda channel of the Kremlin.

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crazy video .. too dangerous jumping from balcony into swimming pool



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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Crazy

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Yes Russia Today is the crazy propaganda channel of the Kremlin.

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crazy video .. too dangerous jumping from balcony into swimming pool



mmMGmbl7en0


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My words to them would be "Jump!!" "Jump!!" "Jump!!"
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UNITED AGAINST NUCLEAR IRAN



"United Against Nuclear Iran" a Mossad front


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United Against Nuclear Iran.

UANI was incorporated in 2008 and is managed and advised by former U.S. and foreign government officials.

UANI's advisory board includes former Mossad Chief Meir Dagan, long time Israel lobbyist and U.S. negotiator Dennis Ross, Senator Joseph Lieberman, and Frances Townsend the former homeland security adviser to President George W. Bush .

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AZ I know this isn't from one of your favorite source of news like RT and PressTV and from a little known source called "Reuters", but you might like this anyway


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/ ... Y420140901
Iranians play role in breaking IS siege of Iraqi town

By Isabel Coles

AMERLI Iraq Mon Sep 1, 2014 3:18pm EDT

Iraqi Shiite militia fighters celebrate after breaking a long siege of Amerli by Islamic State militants, September 1, 2014. REUTERS-Youssef Boudlal
Iraqi Shiite militia fighters fire their weapons as they celebrate breaking a long siege of Amerli by Islamic State militants September 1, 2014. REUTERS-Youssef Boudlal

1 of 2. Iraqi Shiite militia fighters celebrate after breaking a long siege of Amerli by Islamic State militants, September 1, 2014.

(Reuters) - Kurdish peshmerga fighters and Shi'ite militiamen paraded through Amerli on Monday, a day after breaking the two-month siege of the northern town by Sunni Islamist militants.

The scenes in Amerli and the surrounding area of Suleiman Beg offered a window into the teamwork among Kurdish fighters, the Iraqi army and Shi'ite militias and into Iran's role in directly assisting their campaign against Islamic State (IS) forces.

An Iranian adviser to Iraqi police was spotted on the road near Amerli and Kurdish officers spoke of Iranians advising Iraqi fighters on targeting the Islamists.

The swift end to the Islamic State's encirclement of the Shi'ite Turkmen town of 15,000 came on Sunday amid a push by Kurdish peshmerga, Shi'ite militias and Iraqi troops, after U.S. air strikes late Saturday hit IS positions.

Shi'ite militias, who battled U.S. troops during their occupation of Iraq, played a song in Amerli on Monday that taunted the extremist Islamic State with the line: "The Americans couldn't beat us and you think you can?"

The town was filled with Kurdish peshmerga and fighters from the largest Shi'ite militias - the Badr Organization, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, Kata'ib Hezbollah and cleric Muqtada Sadr's followers.

Militia fighters spoke of a new alliance with the Kurds, who had been shaken by the Islamic State's offensive on Kurdish-controlled territories last month. They were then helped by U.S. air strikes that forced IS to retreat.

"I’m totally confident that the failure of the peshmerga to stop the Islamic State's advance towards areas around Arbil forced the Kurds to review their wrong policy of refusing to cooperate with us," said a fighter from Asaib Ahl al-Haq.

"Without our help, it will be difficult for them to stop Islamic State fighters alone.”

Militia and Kurdish fighters on Monday entered the nearby community of Suleiman Beg, an Islamic State stronghold since earlier this year.

Peshmerga planted their flag on top of a building and Asaib Ahl Haq fighters chanted "Ya Hussein", the name of a revered Shi'ite religious figure. The militia men skirted around the buildings and lobbed dynamite into houses to clear them of any explosives left by the Islamic State.

"The peshmerga just came now and raised their flag. We have been here (in the area) for eight days," said one Asaib Ahl al-Haq fighter.

IRANIAN INFLUENCE

The influence of Iran was evident in Suleiman Beg. With Asaib Ahl al-Haq, which is funded by Iran and recognizes Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei as its spiritual guide, were two men who spoke Farsi and dressed in beige uniforms different from their colleagues' green camouflage.

Asked if he was Iranian, one of the Farsi speakers said: "We are liberating Suleiman Beg."

Asked if the Iraqis' could have made their recent gains without Iranian support, he answered: "No."

By a convoy of armored police vehicles, a man speaking Farsi described himself as coming from Iran and said he was there to help with training police.

A peshmerga commander in Suleiman Beg acknowledged the part played by Iranians in the assault on Islamic State positions. "The Iranians had a role in this. They supplied weapons and helped with the military planning," he said on condition of anonymity.

"They trained the Shi'ite forces. There are Iranians here in another base: three or four of them. They are guiding the peshmerga in firing heavy artillery. They don't speak Kurdish - they have a translator."

On Saturday, a senior member of the Kurdish party, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, told Reuters the Iraqi military, Kurds and Iranian advisers had joint operation centers.

Speaking in Khanaqin in Diyala province, PUK member Mala Bakhtiar said the Iranians did not participate in actual fighting but provided expertise.

"There is logistical help and cooperation," Bakhtiar said. "If there is a need, we meet with them and discuss the issues."

The defeat of the IS in Amerli and Suleiman Beg was a major victory for the Iraqi government, security forces and militias after weeks of setbacks.

Shi'ite militia fighters were firing automatic weapons in the air in celebration on a road to Amerli.

Outgoing Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, due to step down this month when a new government is formed, flew to Amerli and saluted the military and the militia fighters, whom he called Mujahideen (holy warriors).

“Our enemy is retreating and our security forces backed by volunteers are advancing to purge further towns,” Maliki told a cheering crowd.

Ordinary people in Amerli rejoiced at their escape from IS. "We were steadfast until the end," said 66-year-old resident Amin Samin Mohammed. "We never intended to leave."
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Doc wrote:AZ I know this isn't from one of your favorite source of news like RT and PressTV and from a little known source called "Reuters", but you might like this anyway


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/ ... Y420140901
Iranians play role in breaking IS siege of Iraqi town

By Isabel Coles

AMERLI Iraq Mon Sep 1, 2014 3:18pm EDT

Iraqi Shiite militia fighters celebrate after breaking a long siege of Amerli by Islamic State militants, September 1, 2014. REUTERS-Youssef Boudlal
Iraqi Shiite militia fighters fire their weapons as they celebrate breaking a long siege of Amerli by Islamic State militants September 1, 2014. REUTERS-Youssef Boudlal

1 of 2. Iraqi Shiite militia fighters celebrate after breaking a long siege of Amerli by Islamic State militants, September 1, 2014.

(Reuters) - Kurdish peshmerga fighters and Shi'ite militiamen paraded through Amerli on Monday, a day after breaking the two-month siege of the northern town by Sunni Islamist militants.

The scenes in Amerli and the surrounding area of Suleiman Beg offered a window into the teamwork among Kurdish fighters, the Iraqi army and Shi'ite militias and into Iran's role in directly assisting their campaign against Islamic State (IS) forces.

An Iranian adviser to Iraqi police was spotted on the road near Amerli and Kurdish officers spoke of Iranians advising Iraqi fighters on targeting the Islamists.

The swift end to the Islamic State's encirclement of the Shi'ite Turkmen town of 15,000 came on Sunday amid a push by Kurdish peshmerga, Shi'ite militias and Iraqi troops, after U.S. air strikes late Saturday hit IS positions.

Shi'ite militias, who battled U.S. troops during their occupation of Iraq, played a song in Amerli on Monday that taunted the extremist Islamic State with the line: "The Americans couldn't beat us and you think you can?"

The town was filled with Kurdish peshmerga and fighters from the largest Shi'ite militias - the Badr Organization, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, Kata'ib Hezbollah and cleric Muqtada Sadr's followers.

Militia fighters spoke of a new alliance with the Kurds, who had been shaken by the Islamic State's offensive on Kurdish-controlled territories last month. They were then helped by U.S. air strikes that forced IS to retreat.

"I’m totally confident that the failure of the peshmerga to stop the Islamic State's advance towards areas around Arbil forced the Kurds to review their wrong policy of refusing to cooperate with us," said a fighter from Asaib Ahl al-Haq.

"Without our help, it will be difficult for them to stop Islamic State fighters alone.”

Militia and Kurdish fighters on Monday entered the nearby community of Suleiman Beg, an Islamic State stronghold since earlier this year.

Peshmerga planted their flag on top of a building and Asaib Ahl Haq fighters chanted "Ya Hussein", the name of a revered Shi'ite religious figure. The militia men skirted around the buildings and lobbed dynamite into houses to clear them of any explosives left by the Islamic State.

"The peshmerga just came now and raised their flag. We have been here (in the area) for eight days," said one Asaib Ahl al-Haq fighter.

IRANIAN INFLUENCE

The influence of Iran was evident in Suleiman Beg. With Asaib Ahl al-Haq, which is funded by Iran and recognizes Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei as its spiritual guide, were two men who spoke Farsi and dressed in beige uniforms different from their colleagues' green camouflage.

Asked if he was Iranian, one of the Farsi speakers said: "We are liberating Suleiman Beg."

Asked if the Iraqis' could have made their recent gains without Iranian support, he answered: "No."

By a convoy of armored police vehicles, a man speaking Farsi described himself as coming from Iran and said he was there to help with training police.

A peshmerga commander in Suleiman Beg acknowledged the part played by Iranians in the assault on Islamic State positions. "The Iranians had a role in this. They supplied weapons and helped with the military planning," he said on condition of anonymity.

"They trained the Shi'ite forces. There are Iranians here in another base: three or four of them. They are guiding the peshmerga in firing heavy artillery. They don't speak Kurdish - they have a translator."

On Saturday, a senior member of the Kurdish party, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, told Reuters the Iraqi military, Kurds and Iranian advisers had joint operation centers.

Speaking in Khanaqin in Diyala province, PUK member Mala Bakhtiar said the Iranians did not participate in actual fighting but provided expertise.

"There is logistical help and cooperation," Bakhtiar said. "If there is a need, we meet with them and discuss the issues."

The defeat of the IS in Amerli and Suleiman Beg was a major victory for the Iraqi government, security forces and militias after weeks of setbacks.

Shi'ite militia fighters were firing automatic weapons in the air in celebration on a road to Amerli.

Outgoing Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, due to step down this month when a new government is formed, flew to Amerli and saluted the military and the militia fighters, whom he called Mujahideen (holy warriors).

“Our enemy is retreating and our security forces backed by volunteers are advancing to purge further towns,” Maliki told a cheering crowd.

Ordinary people in Amerli rejoiced at their escape from IS. "We were steadfast until the end," said 66-year-old resident Amin Samin Mohammed. "We never intended to leave."

Thanx, Doc


Here a report from BBC Iraq grannies 'take on IS in Amerli’ .. Iraqi Turkaman speak same language as Azarbaijani speak, the GrandMa spoke like fellow Azari

True, Iranians were first ones helping Kurd and Iraqi to fight ISIS

Also, Iran is coordinating very closely with US for "air support" in all Iraq .. in battle field, without direct contact/communication between US air support and Iranian advisers on the ground, friendly fire could happen

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/wsj-nbc- ... 1410301920
WSJ/NBC Poll: Almost Two-Thirds Back Attacking Militants
Public in More Hawkish Mood Ahead of President Obama's Speech to the Nation About Islamic State

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Sept. 9, 2014 6:32 p.m. ET

President Barack Obama meets with Congressional leaders in the Oval Office of the White House on Tuesday to discuss options for combating the Islamic State. Associated Press

President Barack Obama will lay out plans on Wednesday to combat the militant group Islamic State to an American public that has grown increasingly hawkish.

Almost two-thirds of participants in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll believe it is in the nation's interest to confront the group, known as ISIS and as ISIL, which has swept through Syria and northern Iraq and recently beheaded two U.S. journalists. Only 13% saw no national interest in acting.

In addition, some 40% in those polled said any U.S. military action against ISIS should be limited to airstrikes and an additional 34% backed both airstrikes and committing U.S. ground troops to the battle—a remarkable mood swing for an electorate that just a year ago recoiled at Mr. Obama's proposal to launch airstrikes against Syria.
WSJ/NBC News Poll Results

See the latest results from the WSJ/NBC News poll here.

The survey also found indications that more people were coming to believe the U.S. should play a more active role on the world stage, a shift from Journal/NBC surveys earlier this year that found war-weary Americans wanting to step back from foreign engagements.

That suggests that Mr. Obama will be addressing an audience more open to supporting a military operation than at any point since he took office promising to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr. Obama aims to use the speech to clarify his goals for confronting ISIS, after weeks of mixed messages that have drawn sharp criticism from Republicans and from within his own Democratic Party. He heads into the moment in a position of weakness: The Journal/NBC poll found that approval of his handling of foreign policy has hit a new low of 32%, down from 36% a month earlier. By large margins, poll participants saw Republicans as better able than Democrats to ensure a strong national defense and conduct foreign policy.



The White House has elevated the significance of Mr. Obama's speech by making it a rare prime-time address to the nation, at 9 p.m. EDT. White House officials said the decision was intended to put Americans on alert, on the eve of the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, that the country faces a serious threat from the Islamic State.

"It means that the president believes this is a high national security priority," White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Tuesday.

Mr. Obama met with congressional leaders Tuesday to brief them on his strategy and to discuss ways to ensure that lawmakers are on board with his plan. White House officials said Mr. Obama wouldn't set a timetable for U.S. involvement in what they call the next, "more offensive" phase in the fight against the Islamic State—a phase that aides say could take years, well beyond Mr. Obama's time in office.

The formation of a new Iraqi government this week could pave the way for Mr. Obama to significantly expand U.S. airstrikes to target the logistics hubs and supply lines of the Islamic State, administration officials said. The president also could announce a decision on broadening the U.S. air campaign into Syria, the Islamic State's stronghold. In addition, the president is wrestling with whether to authorize a U.S. military operation to target individual leaders of the Islamic State.

In moving cautiously to date, Mr. Obama may have underestimated the public's appetite for military action—especially after the beheading of two American journalists.

The poll found that 61% saw it in the nation's interest to attack ISIS. Last year, after Mr. Obama accused the Syrian government of using chemical weapons, only 21% said it was in the U.S. interest to take military action.

The president has "a country and an electorate, regardless of party, who seems to be ready to take the next step," said Fred Yang, a Democratic pollster who conducted the survey with GOP pollster Bill McInturff. That could give Mr. Obama may have a chance to reassert himself as a leader, pollsters said.

"The president seems to be controlled by events and not leading events," said Mr. McInturff. But with the public so ready to take military action against ISIS, he said, "it might allow him to perhaps use September and October to be a more strongly perceived figure than he's been."

In recent months, domestic issues have been overshadowed by crises across the globe—especially the rapid advance of Islamic State in Iraq. Mr. Obama has launched airstrikes to protect U.S. interests but has been criticized for not acting more quickly and decisively—a critique fueled last week when he said, "We have no strategy yet."

Moreover, Mr. Obama has presided over a significant decline in confidence in U.S. security: The poll found that 47% believe the country is less safe than it was before the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks—up sharply from 28% just one year ago.

The survey was taken Sept. 3-7, just after the beheading by ISIS of a second U.S. journalist. While those surveyed weren't asked directly about that event, the poll found that 94% had heard news of the two murders, a higher level of public attention than given to any of 22 news events the Journal/NBC News survey has tested since 2009.

The news, in some cases, turned doves into hawks. "Come on! They are rounding up people and just killing them," said Sara Appleton, 31, a Democrat in Austin who opposed the Iraq war and voted twice for Mr. Obama. "I think we should have intervened earlier."

Some 27% of registered voters in the poll said the U.S. should be more active in world affairs—up substantially from the 19% in an April survey, but still a smaller share than the 40% who said the U.S. should be less active on the world stage.

Even among those who want a less active U.S. role, 43% said the U.S. has a national interest in responding to ISIS, compared with 25% who saw no national interest.

Mr. Obama, in his meeting Tuesday with congressional leaders, said he believes he doesn't need a vote from lawmakers to authorize the strategy he'll lay out Wednesday but supports action in Congress that would "aid the overall effort and demonstrate to the world that the United States is united in defeating'' ISIS, the White House said in a statement.

House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) said after the White House meeting, which lasted more than an hour, that he urged the president to set a goal of defeating and destroying ISIS, and to "define success in those terms" in his speech Wednesday. He told Mr. Obama he supported proposals to strengthen the Iraqi Security Forces and to train and equip the Syrian opposition.

He also told the president he would support the deployment of U.S. troops in a training and advisory role and to "assist with lethal targeting of ISIL leadership"

In other recent conversations leading up to his national address, Mr. Obama told foreign policy experts at a White House dinner Tuesday night that he intends to dismantle the Islamic State.

Strobe Talbott, a deputy secretary of State during the Clinton administration and now president of the Brookings Institution think tank, said he left the dinner with the sense that the president is convinced the U.S. and its allies need a comprehensive approach to destroy the extremist group.

"This is not a matter of containment," Mr. Talbott said. "This is not about keeping ISIS from expanding, it is about a takedown."

Mr. Obama's approach so far has fueled Republican complaints that he is too indecisive, even has he prepares in Wednesday's speech to take a more aggressive approach. "It's about three or four weeks too late," said Stephen Payton, 31, a Republican in Macon, Missouri.

However, Mr. Obama's more cautious style of foreign policy leadership has its fans, even in the face of the provocation of beheadings.

"Unceasing belligerence is what got us into trouble," said Paul Linxwiler, 51, a Memphis Democrat. "I'm glad to see someone who is way more reserved, cool and calculating
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Bush warned in 2007 the rise of ISiS if Obama left Iraq too soon

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Barack Obama is dead.

He has been staying in Paradise for the last 10 years, and begins to feel a tad bored.

So he decides to ask God for a small favor: "I would like to go and see how is my country, how are my fellow Americans. Please send me to Earth for a short time"

The Lord answers: "OK, I'm sending you to New York for one day. Use it wisely"

Barack Obama finds himself in Central Park. Everything looks normal. He wants to feel the mood of the country, and decides to visit a bar.

Entering the nearest bar, he orders a beer. On this morning, the bar is nearly empty, so he begins speaking with the barman:
- So... what do you think of the present situation of the country?
- Present situation? Well... everything is fine... we are the Great Global Empire, the whole world is ours
- What??? But what about Iraq... Afghanistan?
- Why, they're ours
- But... and Europe? Africa? The Middle-East?
- They're ours too

The barman brings a terrestrial globe and shows Obama... everything is the same color. Name is written: "Great Global Empire"

Obama is astonished... He finishes his beer and asks the barman:
- How much do I owe you?
- 2 roubles 15 kopecks, please
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One Day Far From Paradise: Unlikely that obama would care...

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Alexis wrote:Barack Obama is dead.

He has been staying in Paradise for the last 10 years, and begins to feel a tad bored.

So he decides to ask God for a small favor: "I would like to go and see how is my country, how are my fellow Americans. Please send me to Earth for a short time"

The Lord answers: "OK, I'm sending you to New York for one day. Use it wisely"

Barack Obama finds himself in Central Park. Everything looks normal. He wants to feel the mood of the country, and decides to visit a bar.

Entering the nearest bar, he orders a beer. On this morning, the bar is nearly empty, so he begins speaking with the barman:
- So... what do you think of the present situation of the country?
- Present situation? Well... everything is fine... we are the Great Global Empire, the whole world is ours
- What??? But what about Iraq... Afghanistan?
- Why, they're ours
- But... and Europe? Africa? The Middle-East?
- They're ours too

The barman brings a terrestrial globe and shows Obama... everything is the same color. Name is written: "Great Global Empire"

Obama is astonished... He finishes his beer and asks the barman:
- How much do I owe you?
- 2 roubles 15 kopecks, please
Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Alexis...

Could be worse.....

Was afraid that the Great Global Empire would be one that did not allow bars as infidels are supposed to avoid displaying their wine.... :evil: :evil: :evil:

Actually I doubt that premise of the joke: that obama, the POS POTUS would even care about Americans beyond his immediate family and a few friends..... :roll:

If he came back, I would expect that he would spend the day golfing..... :twisted:

Also that a traitor like obama would be in Paradise unless maybe it was a Muslim One... :evil:

Well.... At least I can console myself with the thought that at least, the Great Global Russian Empire under the Talented Mr. Putin/President Prince & Emperor Vlad the Imprisoner or his designated sucessor would be more likely to have sustainable Outer Space Colonies and a Meteor Deflection service that one run by the NASA budget cutting POS obama.... :evil:

Unlike obama, IMVHO Mr. Putin is not a twit or traitor to his nation......

And the human race in general.... :roll:
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Alexis wrote:Barack Obama is dead.

He has been staying in Paradise for the last 10 years, and begins to feel a tad bored.

So he decides to ask God for a small favor: "I would like to go and see how is my country, how are my fellow Americans. Please send me to Earth for a short time"

The Lord answers: "OK, I'm sending you to New York for one day. Use it wisely"

Barack Obama finds himself in Central Park. Everything looks normal. He wants to feel the mood of the country, and decides to visit a bar.

Entering the nearest bar, he orders a beer. On this morning, the bar is nearly empty, so he begins speaking with the barman:
- So... what do you think of the present situation of the country?
- Present situation? Well... everything is fine... we are the Great Global Empire, the whole world is ours
- What??? But what about Iraq... Afghanistan?
- Why, they're ours
- But... and Europe? Africa? The Middle-East?
- They're ours too

The barman brings a terrestrial globe and shows Obama... everything is the same color. Name is written: "Great Global Empire"

Obama is astonished... He finishes his beer and asks the barman:
- How much do I owe you?
- 2 roubles 15 kopecks, please
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Doc wrote:In Soviet Union there is saying. The pessimist learns English. The optimist learns Russian. and the realist learns Chinese.
The version I heard -but it was after the fall of the Soviet Union, less than 10 years ago- was:

The optimist learns English. The pessimisst learns Chinese. The realist learns Kalashnikov :D
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Well we have a war with no strategy, no goals, and no exit strategy.

Is Dick Cheney President again???
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We'll have a version of him before long.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Gallup ... id/594156/
More than ever, Americans trust Republicans over Democrats to better protect the nation from international terrorism, a new Gallup poll released Thursday shows.

The survey — which found 55 percent of voters prefer the GOP on security issues, while just 32 percent chose Democrats — widens the historic edge the Republicans have held when it comes to protection against international terrorism and military threats, Gallup's Frank Newport says.

The 23-point edge is he biggest in a 12-year trend, he notes.

"Republicans have held a perceptual edge on this question in all but two of the 12 years that it has been asked — 2007 and 2012," Newport says. "The GOP's edge has been significant in many of the other years, although the 19 percentage-point gap measured in 2002, which was previously the largest, is eclipsed by this year's 23-point Republican edge."

The poll, taken before President Barack Obama delivered a speech to the nation Wednesday night outlining his new strategy for defeating the Islamic State (ISIS) militants is "likely related" to the increasing news coverage of the jihadists and their beheading of two American journalists, Newport says.

Not only do Americans think Republicans do a better job in matters of security, they also give the GOP the edge, 49-40, as being better at keeping the nation prosperous — similar to poll findings on the issue in 2010 and 2011, Newport reports.

"[T]he Republican Party's strength this year does not bode well for Democratic chances to outperform already low expectations," Newport notes about what the survey findings mean for the midterm elections, adding that events in the coming weeks could affect the dynamics.
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Hoosiernorm wrote:Well we have a war with no strategy, no goals, and no exit strategy.

Is Dick Cheney President again???
He never left. He just needed Obama as a salesman to seduce liberals and the poor.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Hoosiernorm wrote:Well we have a war with no strategy, no goals, and no exit strategy.

Is Dick Cheney President again???
He never left. He just needed Obama as a salesman to seduce liberals and the poor.
I think ISIS is doing a fine job of selling war. Obama is doing a fine job of creating wars where wars were already fought and won.
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Doc wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Hoosiernorm wrote:Well we have a war with no strategy, no goals, and no exit strategy.

Is Dick Cheney President again???
He never left. He just needed Obama as a salesman to seduce liberals and the poor.
I think ISIS is doing a fine job of selling war. Obama is doing a fine job of creating wars where wars were already fought and won.
Selling war to America is like selling alcohol to alcoholics.
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Doc wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:
Hoosiernorm wrote:Well we have a war with no strategy, no goals, and no exit strategy.

Is Dick Cheney President again???
He never left. He just needed Obama as a salesman to seduce liberals and the poor.
I think ISIS is doing a fine job of selling war. Obama is doing a fine job of creating wars where wars were already fought and won.
Kinda sorta. Iraq was never 'won'. It was several antagonistic areas labeled a country by the Sykes-Picot agreement after WWI and held together only by a terrorist dictatorship. Obama hasn't figured out you can't militarily force a country into cooperation on a long-term basis.

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