Typhoon wrote:Quite.Endovelico wrote:. . . Does that mean Germany cannot be trusted? Only as far as I am concerned...
Extremely funny!!! The chances of Greece getting back at least 54 billion euro are very real indeed!...German Parliament report confirms Greece’s legal chances to WWII Reparation
Posted by keeptalkinggreece in Politics
A experts’ evaluation from thee Scientific Service of the German Parliament (Bundestag) confirmed Greece’s WWII reparation claim at least on the “enforced loan” part of the claim. On the basis of the International Law that sets the rules generally regarded and accepted as binding in relations between states and nations, the report analyzes the “enforced loan” conditions and possible time limitations for the Greek claim.
It comes to the conclusion that Greece had any right to claim the repayment of the enforced loan in 1990 when the Reunification of Germany was sealed with the Two-Plus-Four Treaty of Paris. And that this right has not been abolished neither that it was a subject to “time limitation”, as the German government insists.
Furthermore, the report examines the legal options for Greece in international, Greek or German courts.
Still in 2013, the year when the report of the Scientific Service of the German parliament was issued, Greece had chances to claim if not the whole pack of World War II reparations from Germany, certainly repayment of the loan it was enforced to give to German occupation forces in 1942 and ‘finance’ the occupation of Greece.
The 15-page report has the title “On the Greek enforced loan of 1942” – protocol number WD2 -3000 – 093/2013.
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http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2015/0 ... eparation/
Frau Merkel may be rubbed any way she wants. This is a matter for the courts to decide, not for her or her government. If the German courts or the International Court in the Hague decide in favour of Greece, there isn't a thing Frau Merkel can do to stop Greece receiving the money owed them.Nonc Hilaire wrote:The little nation famous for identifying the infamous "poophole loophole" locates another one!
Talk about rubbing Mrs. Merkel the wrong way! And Weidman may end up getting weid-er too!
It's all an absurd question of who has the most IOU's. The Euro is a teenage slumber party. 'Truth or Dare' is over, and now it's time for the pillowfight.noddy wrote:its sure to endear the greeks to the average german.
i wonder if their ever has been a good outcome once things get petty and legalistic.
I wonder why the present Greek government has some doubts about the German adapted Ceausescu model...1980s austerity policy in Romania
Early in the 1970s, the Western countries were willing to fund Romania's acquisition of technology through loans given on political considerations. The debts of Romania to Western creditors rose from just $1.2 billion in 1971 to a peak of $13 billion in 1982. The 1970s energy crisis combined with the increase in interest rates made Romania incapable of repaying its debts.
In 1981, in order to pay its due debts, Romania requested the International Monetary Fund a line of credit and adopted a policy to pay back all its debt.
As the IMF recommended, imports were reduced and exports were increased. The effect of the cuts in imports in Romania, a net importer of food from the West, was however not correctly estimated by the foreign analysts and it led to food shortages.
By 1986, it paid half its debt and it finished paying its whole debt early in 1989, ahead of schedule.
Nevertheless, the austerity policy continued even after all the debts had been paid.
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Ceaușescu started an austerity program without reforming its centralized and inflexible planning. Domestic energy resources were channeled towards inefficient production intended to be exported. Even basic necessities, such as food, heating, electricity and medical attention were rationed and the infrastructure has been left decaying. Due to the austerity, by 1983, the standard of living fell by 19-40 percent, according to IMF figures.
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In 1981, a rationing system for basic foodstuff was started for bread, milk, cooking oil, sugar, and meat. Rationing of some foodstuffs such as bread, flour, sugar and milk was only outside the capital, Bucharest being excepted from it. At Ceaușescu's initiative, a "Rational Eating Program" began, being a "scientific plan" for limiting the calorie intake for the Romanians, claiming that the Romanians were eating too much. It tried to reduce the calorie intake by 9-15 percent to 2,800-3,000 calories per day. In December 1983, a new dietary program for 1984 set even lower allowances.
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The electricity and district heating were often stopped in order to save energy, leading to unbearable winters. Availability of hot water was also restricted to one day per week in most apartments. Unannounced power cuts affected even hospitals' regular functioning: for instance, in the winter of 1983, dozens of babies in neonatal intensive care units died due to the power cuts to the incubators. Street lighting was often turned off and generally reduced to a bare minimum.
Petrol was rationed; private car owners were only allowed to buy 30 litres of petrol per month and private driving bans were regularly imposed. In order to save fuel, the media even appealed peasants to replace mechanical work with manual work, using carts and horses instead of trucks and tractors.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_aust ... in_Romania
i think the pillow fight is still to come, its currently still in the seperate cliques gossiping behind hands and raising the hyperbole about the other groups failings.Nonc Hilaire wrote:It's all an absurd question of who has the most IOU's. The Euro is a teenage slumber party. 'Truth or Dare' is over, and now it's time for the pillowfight.noddy wrote:its sure to endear the greeks to the average german.
i wonder if their ever has been a good outcome once things get petty and legalistic.
something about that "poophole loophole" just doesn't smell right.......Nonc Hilaire wrote:The little nation famous for identifying the infamous "poophole loophole" locates another one!
Talk about rubbing Mrs. Merkel the wrong way! And Weidman may end up getting weid-er too!
Is it time for tougher pillow control laws, you know...... for the children?noddy wrote:i think the pillow fight is still to come, its currently still in the seperate cliques gossiping behind hands and raising the hyperbole about the other groups failings.Nonc Hilaire wrote:It's all an absurd question of who has the most IOU's. The Euro is a teenage slumber party. 'Truth or Dare' is over, and now it's time for the pillowfight.noddy wrote:its sure to endear the greeks to the average german.
i wonder if their ever has been a good outcome once things get petty and legalistic.
But then only outlaws will have pillow. We'll have to buy those small Japanese neck pillows from Colonel Sun's Smuggling Emporium.Simple Minded wrote:Is it time for tougher pillow control laws, you know...... for the children?
image of Germany than a Second Reich flag bathing in blood. We're currently having a sale on these:YMix wrote:But then only outlaws will have pillow. We'll have to buy those small Japanese neck pillows from Colonel Sun's Smuggling Emporium.Simple Minded wrote:Is it time for tougher pillow control laws, you know...... for the children?
Merkel still needs tampons?YMix wrote:
Whatever one may think of war reparations to Greece, it seems that at least 11 billion euro must be paid. Which could help Greece bridging the period it needs until its new policies start working. That will be a bitter pill for the German Finance Minister to swallow...Study Sheds New Light on Forced Greek Loans
By Manfred Ertel, Katrin Kuntz and Walter Mayr
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A study conducted by the Greek Finance Ministry, commissioned way back in 2012 by a previous government, has now been completed and contains new facts. The 194-page document has been obtained by SPIEGEL.
The central question in the report is that of forced loans the Nazi occupiers extorted from the Greek central bank beginning in 1941. Should requests for repayment of those loans be classified as reparation demands -- demands that may have been forfeited with the Two-Plus-Four Treaty of 1990? Or is it a genuine loan that must be paid back? The expert commission analyzed contracts and agreements from the time of the occupation as well as receipts, remittance slips and bank statements.
They found that the forced loans do not fit into the category of classical war reparations. The commission calculated the outstanding German "debt" to the Greek central bank and came to a total sum of $12.8 billion as of December 2014, which would amount to about €11 billion.
As such, at issue between Germany and Greece is no longer just the question as to whether the 115 million deutsche marks paid to the Greek government from 1961 onwards for its peoples' suffering during the occupation sufficed as legal compensation for the massacres like those in the villages of Distomo and Kalavrita. Now the key issue is whether the successor to the German Reich, the Federal Republic of Germany, is responsible for paying back loans extorted by the Nazi occupiers. There's some evidence to indicate that this may be the case.
In terms of the amount of the loan debt, the Greek auditors have come to almost the same findings as those of the Nazis' bookkeepers shortly before the end of the war. Hitler's auditors estimated 26 days before the war's end that the "outstanding debt" the Reich owed to Greece at 476 million Reichsmarks.
Auditors in Athens calculated an "open credit line" for the same period of time of around $213 million. They assumed a dollar exchange rate to the Reichsmark of 2:1 and applied an interest escalation clause accepted by the German occupiers that would result in a value of more than €11 billion today.
This outstanding debt has to be paid back "with no ifs or buts," says German historian Hagen Fleischer in Athens, who knows the relevant files better than anyone else.
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 24762.html
Weird that a co-pilote can lock out the pilot from the cockpit who was screaming and nocking the door to let him in.Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane'
The co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday appeared to want to "destroy the plane", French officials said.
Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin, citing information from the "black box" voice recorder, said the co-pilot was alone in the cockpit.
He intentionally started a descent while the pilot was locked out.
Mr Robin said there was "absolute silence in the cockpit" as the pilot fought to re-enter it.
Air traffic controllers made repeated attempts to contact the aircraft, but to no avail, he said.
Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, he added.
The co-pilot, now named as Andreas Lubitz, 28, was alive until the final impact, the prosecutor said.
Parodite wrote:Weird that a co-pilote can lock out the pilot from the cockpit who was screaming and nocking the door to let him in.Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane'
The co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday appeared to want to "destroy the plane", French officials said.
Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin, citing information from the "black box" voice recorder, said the co-pilot was alone in the cockpit.
He intentionally started a descent while the pilot was locked out.
Mr Robin said there was "absolute silence in the cockpit" as the pilot fought to re-enter it.
Air traffic controllers made repeated attempts to contact the aircraft, but to no avail, he said.
Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, he added.
The co-pilot, now named as Andreas Lubitz, 28, was alive until the final impact, the prosecutor said.
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Parodite wrote:Yes HP.. Muslim extremists and Muslim terrorists are not the only crazy and dangerous people on this planet... who claimed otherwise?
