Re: On conservative and libertarian stupidity
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:28 am
It was for nothing. I was only in it for the policy goals.
Another day in the Universe
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What are you talking about.crashtech66 wrote: That's not the same thing as voting for the government to impose stricter moral standards. I wish you wouldn't move the goalposts.
FYI I doubt this is why we lost the House. Trump delivered more conservative governance than anyone since Reagan, despite whatever they didn't get done and could have in the next congress.Simple Minded wrote: It was not all for nothing, you enjoyed the hell out of it. I heard Limbaugh say the other day the whole reason the Repubs lost the house was McCain's vote not to repeal Obamacare. I think Trump signing the omnibus spending bill was another stake in the heart of the Repub party. He should have sent it back to the house. Refusal to address illegal immigration was probably the third stake in the heart.
The whole republicans-dem debate, from the True Believers (on both sides) with their religious fervor of "WE are nothing like THEM!" reminds me of the quote "In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice, they're not." Once again, Catholics and Protestants.Mr. Perfect wrote:FYI I doubt this is why we lost the House. Trump delivered more conservative governance than anyone since Reagan, despite whatever they didn't get done and could have in the next congress.Simple Minded wrote: It was not all for nothing, you enjoyed the hell out of it. I heard Limbaugh say the other day the whole reason the Repubs lost the house was McCain's vote not to repeal Obamacare. I think Trump signing the omnibus spending bill was another stake in the heart of the Repub party. He should have sent it back to the house. Refusal to address illegal immigration was probably the third stake in the heart.
GOP turnout was high, the swing vote swung Democrat, they don't vote on the things you mentioned. They voted against Trump/GOP in classic vote splitting strategy.
And I did not enjoy it. Not at all.
I have no idea what this means.Simple Minded wrote: The whole republicans-dem debate, from the True Believers (on both sides) with their religious fervor of "WE are nothing like THEM!" reminds me of the quote "In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice, they're not." Once again, Catholics and Protestants.
Completely fact free.Out of office, the Dems and the Repubs are two opposite parties, in theory. In office, they are remarkably similar, in practice. (SimpleMinded TM)
It usually grows much much much faster when Democrats are in charge. So obviously if you wanted smaller government Democrats are never ever ever ever an option.I cast my first presidential election vote in 1980, and since that time, Republicans have done remarkably little to reduce the size, cost, or growth rate of government.
50 mph gives you extra time to turn away. Very simple to understand.So if one wants to make the argument that one party is headed towards the cliff at 60 mph, that's fine. But to think the other party is not headed towards the cliff at 50 mph is delusional in my opinion. But hey, I'm one person with a viewpoint that neither party wants to appeal to.
This is where not following politics hurts you. If you want to chase people who have no interest in politics of voting, be my guest. I do not chase such people around.You say GOP turnout was high. The stat I saw was voter participation rate was about 49%. High turnout by historical standards is still most voters staying home. Above data comes from...... poling? Are we still listening to pollsters after the last 10 years?
All politics is not local.Nationwide stat of turn out is meaningless. There are 435 representatives because "all politics is local."
I don't listen to pollsters much, but I study election results fastidiously. They tell you a lot.Turnout data in each district, especially in the districts where the seat turned over might be a bit more informative. But then again, why are we still listening to pollsters? It's like listening to "climate scientists."
I don't think you understand what's going on. This was the last chance in my lifetime to reduce the government by 75%. It came and went. The whole purpose of my life has been voided. It was all for nothing.49% turnout? See above post. Me thinks that Dems still don't get the message of their 2008 primary, and Repubs still don't get the message of their 2016 primary.
Now stop moping about and get back on that pony. It's not that the pony hates you, it just feels it does not need you on its back. One foot in front of the other soldier, one foot in front of the other.....
Mr. Perfect wrote: It usually grows much much much faster when Democrats are in charge. So obviously if you wanted smaller government Democrats are never ever ever ever an option.
Look at any Republican state vs any Democrat state. Look at obama's fiscal record vs any Republican.Simple Minded wrote:If you say so Mr. P.....
If the Republicans were the party of your ideals in reality, I'd be one of their biggest cheerleaders. I have not seen anything in my lifetime that leads me to believe they are the party of smaller government and fiscal responsibility. I did believe that a couple decades ago though.
We were in the majority just a few weeks ago.They controlled all three branches for 6 years under W, and two years under Trump. Look at the budgets for those years. Maybe if they had allied themselves with the Tea Party rather than view the Tea Party as an existential enemy, they might still be in the majority.
When the MSM paints all those ideals as racist before you get out of the gate.Damn shame the Republicans can't articulate the ideals you express. They just might have a bigger tent.
You act as thought there is no opposition party painting everything you do as racist and inbred, and that just saying words overcomes facts like not having 60 Senators or control of both chambers and the WH.I can't count the number of times I've heard Mark Steyn, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Star Parker, Victor Davis Hanson, Rush Limbaugh, George Will, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter, or any other number of conservative commentators (even comedians) articulate a problem, layout a solution, and then thought "Where the hell are the Republicans? Why are they saying the same thing? If they just shut the hell up and called up the above commentators above each Friday and asked What should I say next week?, they'd be a lot better off."
Let's see what you do.Instead someone calls them racist, sexist, homophobe, or mean-spirit and they sulk off the stage.
Let's see what you would do.Or the subject of bathrooms or sex change operations comes up and boom, they are off message.
If they quit responding to the above insults, and quit taking about bathroom usage, and gender types, and talked about budgets and existing problems, it would be a lot easier to take them seriously.
Cool story, however your theme seems to be until we have whip smart Tucker Carlson type firecrackers in every position then we have to self flagellate with Democrat ruin.Recent points: Tucker Carlson asked George Ramos how many illegals he was taking into his house. Every Republican should be asking this question every time a microphone gets within 10 feet of his face. Doc put together a great meme about the govt controlling at the border or homeowners controlling it at their front doors. Use memes as talking points and stay on message.
I'm not the one you need to convince, listen to the above commentators sometime.
Oh, only that you are pretty predictable. I guess that makes you the perfect conservative. Congratulations!Mr. Perfect wrote:Democrats were in charge of Congress during the Reagan years. Republicans were in charge of Congress during Clinton.
Anything else?
I wear the badge of hemorrhoid with pride!Mr. Perfect wrote:I think you are wrong about almost everything you said.
I'm in.Nonc Hilaire wrote:I say we put voting on a blockchain and eliminate parties entirely.
Do you ever wonder what things would be like if the Republican Party that exists in reality was the Republican Party of your ideals?Mr. Perfect wrote:Do you guys ever wonder what things would be like if you fought the Democrat party half as hard as you do the Republican party?
I do.
crashtech66,crashtech66 wrote:Oh, only that you are pretty predictable. I guess that makes you the perfect conservative. Congratulations!Mr. Perfect wrote:Democrats were in charge of Congress during the Reagan years. Republicans were in charge of Congress during Clinton.
Anything else?
Why would I want to waste time like that.Mr. Perfect wrote:So you couldn't rebut my points?
I have no idea. I don't really identify with or feel welcome in any political party at this point. Call me Disgustable maybe.Simple Minded wrote:crashtech66,
Do you consider yourself more deplorable, more hemorrhoid, or maybe a hybrid? Deplorehoid or Hemplorable?
I understand completely. I think that may be why voter participation never gets above 50%.crashtech66 wrote:I have no idea. I don't really identify with or feel welcome in any political party at this point. Call me Disgustable maybe.Simple Minded wrote:crashtech66,
Do you consider yourself more deplorable, more hemorrhoid, or maybe a hybrid? Deplorehoid or Hemplorable?
Indeed. That word really triggered you. It's been fascinating to watch.Simple Minded wrote:I wear the badge of hemorrhoid with pride!Mr. Perfect wrote:I think you are wrong about almost everything you said.
I asked you first.Simple Minded wrote: Do you ever wonder what things would be like if the Republican Party that exists in reality was the Republican Party of your ideals?
Ok. So what's your plan.Imagine if you spent as much time whipping the existing members of the Republican Party into "ideological shape" as you did castigating hemorrhoids and those who are not in lockstep with your ideas.........
"GIMME 50 IDEOLOGICAL PUSHUPS YOU SQUISHY RINO SCUMBAG! WHASSA MATTER DIDN'T YUR MOMMA GIVE YOU ENUFF LUV AS A CHILD?"
No RINO's, no squishies, no deserters, no contrarians sabotaging the Republican Party during the voting process ....a party that acts like a majority when it is a majority...... it would be glorious!
Sweep in front of your own door..... get the beam out of your own eye first.
I dunno, you brought it up.crashtech66 wrote:Why would I want to waste time like that.Mr. Perfect wrote:So you couldn't rebut my points?