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Typhoon wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:58 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 pm .

'unprecedented' military support


'full-fledged defense partnership'


Iran media report Iran already received 34 SU-35, they now based in underground airbases


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html

Officials across the Western alliance say they are convinced that Iran and Russia, both isolated by American-led sanctions, are building a new alliance of convenience. One senior military official said that partnership had deepened quickly, after Iran’s agreement to supply drones to the Russians last summer “bailed Putin out.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html
1 failed state + 1 failed state global superpower

rather

1 failed state + 1 failed state = 2 failed states



Putin has 85% approval rating

and

Last 44 yrs West trying all tricks in the book to unseat the mad mullahs.

In the meantime, Iran, thanks to mad mullahs, the most powerful in history since Sassanid time, 1200 yrs ago

and

In the meantime

Civil war ahead in US .. every other day somebody shoots 10 people in schools, church, synagogues, massage parlours etc

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:34 am
Typhoon wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:58 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 pm .

'unprecedented' military support


'full-fledged defense partnership'


Iran media report Iran already received 34 SU-35, they now based in underground airbases


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html

Officials across the Western alliance say they are convinced that Iran and Russia, both isolated by American-led sanctions, are building a new alliance of convenience. One senior military official said that partnership had deepened quickly, after Iran’s agreement to supply drones to the Russians last summer “bailed Putin out.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html
1 failed state + 1 failed state global superpower

rather

1 failed state + 1 failed state = 2 failed states



Putin has 85% approval rating

and

Last 44 yrs West trying all tricks in the book to unseat the mad mullahs.

In the meantime, Iran, thanks to mad mullahs, the most powerful in history since Sassanid time, 1200 yrs ago
Amateur. Kim Jong-un has a 99.9% approval rating.

Exceptional only in the Potemkin village sense.

It won't be the West that will eventually toss the mad mullahs, but the Iranians themselves.
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Typhoon wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:52 pm
In this regards, the Western pundits who frame it as the former are clueless.
I'd suggest that for a certain number it's also malicious.

"Rootin' for Putin" as a way to attack domestic enemies is gross stuff.

Then pair it with the irony of those voices commonly using watchwords like "patriotism", "loyalty", "order", "obedience"....

It's good for a laugh.
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Typhoon wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:27 am
It won't be the West that will eventually toss the mad mullahs, but the Iranians themselves.


If Iranian mass were unhappy with mad mullahs, mad mullahs would not last a week


Since last 500 yrs, when Brits, Tzars, Ottomans were bullying Persia, number one dream of Iranians was "Independence" backed by strong military.

mad mullahs achieved both

Iran now one of the most independent Nation in the world and never been as strong since Sassanid time, 1200 yrs ago.

Nobody, no power and nation, can bully Iran .. NOBODY

Poor Germany .. must buy now LNG 10 fold price as to piped Russia gas

Germans know US exploded the North Stream pipe .. but .. can not say so loud .. they not independent

Why Germany is not independent ?

Because German industry, economy, is dependent on US .. German banks are prisoner of SWIFT etc etc

West has put on Iran all sanctioned West can, nothing left .. Nobody can do anything more to Iran .. ZERO

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Wester Polling ... Published by Statista Research Department, Feb 2, 2023


https://www.statista.com/statistics/896 ... ng-russia/

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:23 am
Ukraine not in War with Russia .. NATO in War with Russia


A war started by Russia. The Russian collectively didn't accidently trip over the border.
All Ukrainians are somehow related to Russians , 100s of yrs of intermarriage etc etc

They same people
Note, in the world in which we live, fairly similar people live side-by-side separated by historical events into different sovereignties. Australia and New Zealand, Britain and Ireland, the United States and Anglophone Canada, France and Wallonia, Austria and Germany, Flanders and the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway, Roumania and Moldova, adjacent Arab states, adjacent Latin American states. Sometimes there is pan-national sentiment, usually not. Sometimes there is a history of disputes generating mutual antagonism (see the British Isles or the Yugoslav states), usually not. It’s in Russia and China where this anomaly generates a constituency for coercive abuse of the population outside the fold.
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https://www.fridayeveryday.com/exclusiv ... e-enemies/



West uses ‘atrocity fabrications’ to demonize enemies


- Horrific false narratives are concocted to create animosity towards rivals, says 500-page study from top University of London researcher

- Technique has been used by West for more than a century, using “fake news” to shape world order

- China has been a major victim, with “Tiananmen Square massacre” and genocide of Uyghurs as examples of events that never happened

- Tales are spread by allegedly “independent” think tanks, NGOs and media firms, discreetly financed by the U.S.
U.S. GOVERNMENT BODIES working with the western media created a massive “atrocity fabrication” industry to discredit China and other perceived enemies of the west, says a stunning new book to be published next month.

Horrific tales of torture and genocide were manufactured to be spread by the press in a technique developed by western powers over decades to demonize countries including Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, China, and others, says “Atrocity Fabrication and its Consequences: How Fake News Shapes World Order” by A.B. Abrams, a geopolitical specialist and academic based in London.

Trueeeeeeee


Disclosure : I get all these from my many Chinese friends from HKG and Shanghai :lol:
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:34 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:23 am
Ukraine not in War with Russia .. NATO in War with Russia


A war started by Russia. The Russian collectively didn't accidently trip over the border.
All Ukrainians are somehow related to Russians , 100s of yrs of intermarriage etc etc

They same people
Note, in the world in which we live, fairly similar people live side-by-side separated by historical events into different sovereignties. Australia and New Zealand, Britain and Ireland, the United States and Anglophone Canada, France and Wallonia, Austria and Germany, Flanders and the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway, Roumania and Moldova, adjacent Arab states, adjacent Latin American states. Sometimes there is pan-national sentiment, usually not. Sometimes there is a history of disputes generating mutual antagonism (see the British Isles or the Yugoslav states), usually not. It’s in Russia and China where this anomaly generates a constituency for coercive abuse of the population outside the fold.


Ukraine Russia war started 2014 ..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


Democratically elected Ukraine president was overthrown by American arranged coup d'etat ..

Same mistake 1953 US did overthrowing Mossadegh in Iran

A big mistake
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:46 am
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:34 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:23 am
Ukraine not in War with Russia .. NATO in War with Russia


A war started by Russia. The Russian collectively didn't accidently trip over the border.
All Ukrainians are somehow related to Russians , 100s of yrs of intermarriage etc etc

They same people
Note, in the world in which we live, fairly similar people live side-by-side separated by historical events into different sovereignties. Australia and New Zealand, Britain and Ireland, the United States and Anglophone Canada, France and Wallonia, Austria and Germany, Flanders and the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway, Roumania and Moldova, adjacent Arab states, adjacent Latin American states. Sometimes there is pan-national sentiment, usually not. Sometimes there is a history of disputes generating mutual antagonism (see the British Isles or the Yugoslav states), usually not. It’s in Russia and China where this anomaly generates a constituency for coercive abuse of the population outside the fold.


Ukraine Russia war started 2014 ..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


Democratically elected Ukraine president was overthrown by American arranged coup d'etat ..

Same mistake 1953 US did overthrowing Mossadegh in Iran

A big mistake
We've already been over this and are just going in circles.

The impasse is that we don't believe it. Quoting myself from page 60:
The man was censored by his own party and replaced by a constitutionally designated official. The national legislature of the time was elected 2 years previous to that president and was satisfied with the results. No one as far as I'm aware in local elections of that year formed a coalition to fight what happened to Yanukovych....
2014 is a real eye roller at this point.

2014 is about the time support for the pro-Russian parties began to wane (always a minority position except for Crimea-- arguably) and Russia found it hard to insert her own 'election-interfering' politicians.

Hence the temper-tantrums. The taking of Crimea, which every allowed, ended up a big mistake.
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This is what I wrote on this forum in 2014 about Crimea:
What Russia did here, I believe, can be demonstrated to be an act of war. They acted like a belligerent and inserted themselves into the situation under false pretenses. They have no right in any part of the Ukraine, having lost that region 20+ years ago. Whether Ukraine, and the Crimean Tartars and the Russian nationals in Eat (sic) Ukraine want to be one nation or 2,000 nations is nobodies' business. Russia is not guaranteed a sphere of influence...

Unfortunately, this looks like we've painted ourselves into a corner where we either go total war or we don't. There is little middle ground here: both sides want the Crimea and neither is going to back down. The sensible choice was to be friendly and slowly starve her of her oil (which has been declining for six years now, right?) Once the oil is gone, Putin and Russia are back to square one. Putin is as dependent on oil and gas sales to Europe and Europe is of him, after this impeachment went down (assuming it was 100% independent) we should've forced a deal of mutual non-intervention. Now, that is of the table...

I'm with Endy on this one: we are in some seriously deep waters on this one, and very close to a stupid situation.

9 years ago I also wrote that I didn't like the Americans involved in antagonizing Russia. I still don't today. That it has been one blunder after another and that a coterie of Americans politicos-- maybe the poster boy & girl being John Kerry and Victoria Nuland-- have been courting a direct war with Russia because they are idiots. Out and out idiots and the whole thing is a mistake. I still believe that.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:01 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:46 am
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:34 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:23 am
Ukraine not in War with Russia .. NATO in War with Russia


A war started by Russia. The Russian collectively didn't accidently trip over the border.
All Ukrainians are somehow related to Russians , 100s of yrs of intermarriage etc etc

They same people
Note, in the world in which we live, fairly similar people live side-by-side separated by historical events into different sovereignties. Australia and New Zealand, Britain and Ireland, the United States and Anglophone Canada, France and Wallonia, Austria and Germany, Flanders and the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway, Roumania and Moldova, adjacent Arab states, adjacent Latin American states. Sometimes there is pan-national sentiment, usually not. Sometimes there is a history of disputes generating mutual antagonism (see the British Isles or the Yugoslav states), usually not. It’s in Russia and China where this anomaly generates a constituency for coercive abuse of the population outside the fold.


Ukraine Russia war started 2014 ..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


Democratically elected Ukraine president was overthrown by American arranged coup d'etat ..

Same mistake 1953 US did overthrowing Mossadegh in Iran

A big mistake
We've already been over this and are just going in circles.

The impasse is that we don't believe it. Quoting myself from page 60:
The man was censored by his own party and replaced by a constitutionally designated official. The national legislature of the time was elected 2 years previous to that president and was satisfied with the results. No one as far as I'm aware in local elections of that year formed a coalition to fight what happened to Yanukovych....
2014 is a real eye roller at this point.


Must admit I not very familiar with detail of Ukraine saga, know only things in "Big Picture" prospective

The "big picture" is : Ukraine looked for economic help from West and from Russia

Western help came with "condition attached" that was not in Ukraine national interest.

Ukraine, turn to Russia

That's when Victoria Nuland entered the scene

The rest we know

That is when, 2014, West decided to arm Ukraine and f*ck Russia

Putin knew, but he tried his best, starting 2007 in Munich security conference in his speech .. to avoid conflict and asked Russia be integrated into European security arrangement.

West had other ideas and plans, and, said to Putin to f*ck off

we no deelin with fools (anymore)
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:14 am Must admit I not very familiar with detail of Ukraine saga, know only things in "Big Picture" prospective

The "big picture" is : Ukraine looked for economic help from West and from Russia

Western help came with "condition attached" that was not in Ukraine national interest.

Ukraine, turn to Russia

That's when Victoria Nuland entered the scene

The rest we know

That is when, 2014, West decided to arm Ukraine and f*ck Russia

Putin knew, but he tried his best, starting 2007 in Munich security conference in his speech .. to avoid conflict and asked Russia be integrated into European security arrangement.

West had other ideas and plans, and, said to Putin to f*ck off

we no deelin with fools (anymore)
When it comes to those like Victoria Nuland, we cannot agree more. Lots of unsavory folks have been pushing for war. I would go further and say a lot of hinky stuff has been going on with American political class and money laundering in places like Ukraine. These people are not saints.

But the point (and hope) was to avoid war. Money launderers are not of the same class of criminal as the first guy who rolls his tanks over grandma.

Nothing substantial could be done to Russia until Putin crossed that border. It was absolutely foolish and for many of us, it proved he and his crew are just as nuts as the Kerry-Nuland duo.

Now instead of the american war fever faction fading away (which it was), and Russia owning a warm water port, owning Germany and London, setting up Russia for the post-Putin generation; he has handed a blank cheque to the Nulands of the world who now have an interested audience.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:44 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:14 am Must admit I not very familiar with detail of Ukraine saga, know only things in "Big Picture" prospective

The "big picture" is : Ukraine looked for economic help from West and from Russia

Western help came with "condition attached" that was not in Ukraine national interest.

Ukraine, turn to Russia

That's when Victoria Nuland entered the scene

The rest we know

That is when, 2014, West decided to arm Ukraine and f*ck Russia

Putin knew, but he tried his best, starting 2007 in Munich security conference in his speech .. to avoid conflict and asked Russia be integrated into European security arrangement.

West had other ideas and plans, and, said to Putin to f*ck off

we no deelin with fools (anymore)
When it comes to those like Victoria Nuland, we cannot agree more. Lots of unsavory folks have been pushing for war. I would go further and say a lot of hinky stuff has been going on with American political class and money laundering in places like Ukraine. These people are not saints.

But the point (and hope) was to avoid war. Money launderers are not of the same class of criminal as the first guy who rolls his tanks over grandma.

Nothing substantial could be done to Russia until Putin crossed that border. It was absolutely foolish and for many of us, it proved he and his crew are just as nuts as the Kerry-Nuland duo.

Now instead of the american war fever faction fading away (which it was), and Russia owning a warm water port, owning Germany and London, setting up Russia for the post-Putin generation; he has handed a blank cheque to the Nulands of the world who now have an interested audience.


Putin probably knew all difficulties and risks

But

There another "urgent" issue to be straightened

Crimea and the 4 regions of Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia is historically Russian , so is Odesa

Putin, wrote a letter to Biden and EU , proposing "comprehensive security arrangement" .. when Biden said NO .. the fate of "Crimea and the 4 regions of Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia" was sealed

Ukraine, sooner or later will understand, there will be a price to enter a "Faustian bargain" deal with Victoria Nuland.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:40 am .


https://www.fridayeveryday.com/exclusiv ... e-enemies/



West uses ‘atrocity fabrications’ to demonize enemies


- Horrific false narratives are concocted to create animosity towards rivals, says 500-page study from top University of London researcher

- Technique has been used by West for more than a century, using “fake news” to shape world order

- China has been a major victim, with “Tiananmen Square massacre” and genocide of Uyghurs as examples of events that never happened

- Tales are spread by allegedly “independent” think tanks, NGOs and media firms, discreetly financed by the U.S.
U.S. GOVERNMENT BODIES working with the western media created a massive “atrocity fabrication” industry to discredit China and other perceived enemies of the west, says a stunning new book to be published next month.

Horrific tales of torture and genocide were manufactured to be spread by the press in a technique developed by western powers over decades to demonize countries including Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, China, and others, says “Atrocity Fabrication and its Consequences: How Fake News Shapes World Order” by A.B. Abrams, a geopolitical specialist and academic based in London.

Trueeeeeeee


Disclosure : I get all these from my many Chinese friends from HKG and Shanghai :lol:
The classic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" fallacy.

Sure. The "Great Leap Forward" and the "Cultural Revolution" were unqualified success stories.

As for A. B. Abrams publisher, Clarity Press, a quick look suggests that they only publish books critical of the USA despite their claim of being "independent".

Reminds me of the Ramparts magazine of the 1970's.

The Vietnam War [Tonkin Gulf Incident], the 2nd Iraqi War [WMD], and the Afgan War [post-al-Qaeda] were all dumb and a massive waste of resources, but all pale in comparison to the history of Russia and PR China actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynQdJe48bkE

ynQdJe48bkE

Anyways, as we live in the real world, I'll take Pax America over Pax Sinica, Pax Rossiya, or Pax Persae any day.

As do you, in actions, if not in words.

After all, the preferred destination of migrants and refugees is the West, notably the USA, not China, Russia, or Iran.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:44 am

When it comes to those like Victoria Nuland, we cannot agree more. Lots of unsavory folks have been pushing for war. I would go further and say a lot of hinky stuff has been going on with American political class and money laundering in places like Ukraine. These people are not saints.

But the point (and hope) was to avoid war. Money launderers are not of the same class of criminal as the first guy who rolls his tanks over grandma.

Nothing substantial could be done to Russia until Putin crossed that border. It was absolutely foolish and for many of us, it proved he and his crew are just as nuts as the Kerry-Nuland duo.

Now instead of the american war fever faction fading away (which it was), and Russia owning a warm water port, owning Germany and London, setting up Russia for the post-Putin generation; he has handed a blank cheque to the Nulands of the world who now have an interested audience.

+1000

Russia had already won, the elite of London and Germany loved the oligarch money and connections, Russia was on its way to being an important, and powerful, part of Europe.

Driving tanks over grandma and bombing hospitals and schools was the only thing they could do to stop the Doves from winning.

Now its all hawks and Russia owns those consequences more than the USA does.

The USA is spending 5% of its trilllion dollar war chest to burn through Russian and NATO resources.

Putin is all in the riskiest hand possible.

And the entire premise is that genuflecting america can stop the rest of the world trading how it likes... which has always been lies.

In the real world, Amercia was always unable to stop most countries trading with each other, they just blamed Amercia because the alternative was them being useless whiny bastards who cant cooperate with anyone

In China the Jeff Bezos equivilant - Jack Ma - was rounded up and thrown in jail until he GAVE 90% back to the government... imagine that in the US.

And China is a better place to be an entepeneur than Russia or Iran.

In Russia he would have been thrown out the window.

Nobody will invest in Putin or the mad mullahs. All they can do
is sell cheap petrol... angry little men.

The west is chaos on the edge of a civil war. It often is. The west is chaos.

Most westerners like a bit of chaos, it helps with the ennui
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Typhoon wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:27 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 12:34 am
Typhoon wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:58 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 pm .

'unprecedented' military support


'full-fledged defense partnership'


Iran media report Iran already received 34 SU-35, they now based in underground airbases


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html

Officials across the Western alliance say they are convinced that Iran and Russia, both isolated by American-led sanctions, are building a new alliance of convenience. One senior military official said that partnership had deepened quickly, after Iran’s agreement to supply drones to the Russians last summer “bailed Putin out.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html
1 failed state + 1 failed state global superpower

rather

1 failed state + 1 failed state = 2 failed states



Putin has 85% approval rating

and

Last 44 yrs West trying all tricks in the book to unseat the mad mullahs.

In the meantime, Iran, thanks to mad mullahs, the most powerful in history since Sassanid time, 1200 yrs ago

Amateur. Kim Jong-un has a 99.9% approval rating.



NYT
One Year Into War,
Putin Is Crafting the Russia He Craves



In Ukraine, President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has met setback after setback. But its effect at home has been very different.
The grievance, paranoia and imperialist mind-set that drove President Vladimir V. Putin to invade Ukraine have seeped deep into Russian life after a year of war — a broad, if uneven, societal upheaval that has left the Russian leader more dominant than ever at home.

Schoolchildren collect empty cans to make candles for soldiers in the trenches, while learning in a new weekly class that the Russian military has always liberated humanity from “aggressors who seek world domination.”

Museums and theaters, which remained islands of artistic freedom during previous crackdowns, have seen that special status evaporate, their antiwar performers and artists expunged. New exhibits put on by the state have titles like “NATOzism” — a play on “Nazism” that seeks to cast the Western military alliance as posing a threat as existential as the Nazis of World War II.

Many of the activist groups and rights organizations that have sprung up in the first 30 years of post-Soviet Russia have met an abrupt end, while nationalist groups once seen as fringe have taken center stage.



One of the reason for why West in present situation, is the "successful" foolin of Western Joe by propaganda learned from Joseph Goebbels .. repeat lies until they perceived as Truth.

That is the tragedy of West.

Now, information being free and worldwide available, Western Joe has no excuse to fall into PR rubbish.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:34 pm Wars and rumors of war.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sit ... -confirmed
Yeh. By all reports Russia is going to do it properly this time.

The result is going to be super interesting no matter the outcome.

political chaos awaits.
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The Ukraine is controlled by the US deep state department and the Russian oligarchs.

The geostrategic objective is to control the land route to China.

If you look the conflict as the Israeli/US military/Putin alliance gently eliminating the non-state actors it all makes sense.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:15 am The Ukraine is controlled by the US deep state department and the Russian oligarchs.

The geostrategic objective is to control the land route to China.

If you look the conflict as the Israeli/US military/Putin alliance gently eliminating the non-state actors it all makes sense.

Yes
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‘Colonizers ask us to be enemies of Russia’
African nation’s FM



Uganda will not succumb to pressure from former colonizers in the West to turn against Russia, as longstanding bilateral relations with Moscow are too important, the Ugandan foreign minister has said.

We were colonized and forgave those who colonized us. Now, the colonizers are asking us to be enemies of Russia, who never colonized us, is that fair ? Not for us: their enemies are their enemies, our friends are our friends,” Jeje Odongo told Russia’s RIA Novosti news agency on Saturday.

Uganda, which was a British protectorate for almost 70 years, enjoyed good relations with the Soviet Union after regaining its sovereignty in 1962. The USSR actively pushed for the decolonization of Africa, and supported many of the countries after they became independent.

“Many of our students were educated in Russia, so why should there suddenly be a problem with us continuing our relationship with Russia, which we did historically,” the foreign minister said during the interview, given on the sidelines of the African Union (AU) summit in Ethiopia’s capital, Addis Ababa.


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WW 1 , and , WW 2 were falsely name World Wars ..

They were wars between Western nations (plus Japan) .. had nothing to do with others

Same now

Ukraine is conflict between Europe and Russia

What has this to do with Uganda or India or Brazil ?

Not much
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US ‘notified’ Russia before Biden’s Kiev visit
The decision to inform Moscow was made for “deconfliction purposes,” Washington said


The US told Moscow in advance that President Joe Biden was planning to visit Kiev, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said on Monday.

“We did notify the Russians that President Biden would be traveling to Kiev,” Sullivan said, adding that the message was sent “hours before” Biden departed Washington and was provided “for deconfliction purposes.” Sullivan did not indicate how Russian officials were contacted, or how they responded to the information.

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, who is deputy chairman of the Security Council, confirmed via his Telegram channel that Biden had received “safety guarantees” from Moscow for his visit. In the same post, Medvedev called Washington’s aid to Kiev a way for “NATO countries’ military industries to profit,” and referred to the US president as an “old man from across the ocean.”

This positive .. good

Russia has said only US can help an end to this

My sense say, things will not be escalated and things going towards some sort of "settlement"

Despite all noise about sending Planes and tanks etc to Ukraine, European media say there not much tanks nor planes to be sent to Ukraine and it would need long training etc etc, and, Russia would take them out quick .. Nobody wants to give their own tanks or planes away .. all just talk

And

Could be Biden talk with Xi days they talked how to help ending Ukraine war

Russia has assembled big forces at the border .. waiting to see what Biden comes up with
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:15 am The Ukraine is controlled by the US deep state department and the Russian oligarchs.

The geostrategic objective is to control the land route to China.

If you look the conflict as the Israeli/US military/Putin alliance gently eliminating the non-state actors it all makes sense.
Putin certainly does seem to be burning through the wagners in such a way their isnt enough left to cause problems for him at the end.
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Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the People's Republic of China
Global Security Initiative Concept Paper



ATOL
Japan & West should keep distance from ‘hegemonic, domineering and bullying’ US



“Security is the right of all countries in the world, not the exclusive privilege of certain countries,” China’s Foreign Minister Qin Gang said on Tuesday. “It should not be decided only by some individual countries.”

Seconded


“It is the US, not China, that has been pouring weapons into the battlefield,” Wang said in response to a speech in which US Secretary of State Antony Blinken worried that China might provide Russia with weapons and ammunition for the war in Ukraine.

“The US is in no position to tell China what to do. We would never stand for finger-pointing, or even coercion and pressurizing from the US on our relations with Russia,” he added.
“While some countries are pushing unilateralism and protectionism and addicted to decoupling and severing industrial and supply chains, China hopes that the Netherlands would play a positive role in ensuring the stability of the global industrial and supply chains and promoting global economic recovery,” Wang Yi told the Dutch Foreign Minister Wopke Hoekstra in Munich on Saturday.

On Tuesday, Beijing sent Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Sun Weidong to Japan for the 17th China-Japan security dialogue.


US, more and more, losing the herd .. dismantled brick by brick :lol:
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‘everyone is preparing for war’
“Ammunition is selling like hotcakes,”


“Our army and our country must come first. At least 30% of everything made in Serbia must stay in Serbia,” he told reporters. “We can only sell what we can spare. Everyone wants to fight, everyone is getting ready for war.”
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:15 am The Ukraine is controlled by the US deep state department and the Russian oligarchs.

The geostrategic objective is to control the land route to China.

If you look the conflict as the Israeli/US military/Putin alliance gently eliminating the non-state actors it all makes sense.
This type of neo-colonial thinking reminds me of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG7Dm14Y7wE

gG7Dm14Y7wE

As if the Ukrainians have no interest in the matter.
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