Israel

[Typhoon]

There is obvious agitprop to create support for a widespread war and it emanates from Netanyahu and his globalist buddies.

Aren't you missing a traditional pejorative euphemism? Should that not be "cosmopolitan globalists".

[Typhoon]

Meanwhile among the US chattering and ruling classes . . .

Harvard Crimson | Harvard Students Doxxed, Groups Withdraw Signatures Amid Continued Backlash to Israel Statement

Some Harvard students are learning a most important lesson, one that apparently was not taught to them by their parents or overpriced Harvard faculty, that actions have consequences.

ZH | "Your Position Is Clear" - Musk Slams Terrorist-Supporting BLM Posts

Crickets?

No idea who the OP is, but that is an interesting and, to the best of my knowledge, an original perspective.

[Heracleum Persicum]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True


Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

.

[Heracleum Persicum]

.

Look, Jewish history in Europe is well known

Pretty much until 1850 things clear

Emancipation of European Jews.jpg (62.89 KiB) Viewed 1873 times

Not even 85 yrs later, Holocaust


Well, now, Europeans have a "duty" to put all aside and get together to solve the Palestinian and Jewish issue


Outcome must be a safe and secure home for Jewish and Palestinian people.


Staying aside and hoping that Israeli would "crash" Palestinians if only the bad bad mad mullahs would let it happen, silly and an insult to Arabs as if they need Iranian leadership


Antony Blinken said, there no evidence Iran has anything to do with this


https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/08/blinken ... srael.html

.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Palestina delenda est.

vel alio modo per

[Parodite]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True

Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

Nothing new either, on the contrary. He is an durian ever since he started open his mouth.

[Doc]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True


Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

SO HP what other genocidal movements do you support?















.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Its a multi polar world now, Iran no longer cares what the west thinks and when they shout "death to israel, death to the west" they mean it , Hamas is just their fun toy.

its going to get uglier, everyone is going to escalate from now on.

If West want to disarm mad mullahs, West should arrange peace between Pali and Israel .. make 2 state solution reality, fair for both side

If so, mad mullahs will have no traction anymore


Slogans, shouting, , worthless
.

[Heracleum Persicum]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True

Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

Nothing new either, on the contrary. He is an durian ever since he started open his mouth.

..

A good one .. He a Durian ..

Best is answer to what he says, or dont say anything

[Heracleum Persicum]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True


Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

SO HP what other genocidal movements do you support?

Poor Typhoon, he has to deal with all this


.

[Heracleum Persicum]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True

Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

Nothing new either, on the contrary. He is an durian ever since he started open his mouth.

.

A tragedy

You basically saying European knew this is their duty but did not care, basically this view not new for Europeans .. and anybody reminding them of this is a Durian
.

[Parodite]

There is obvious agitprop to create support for a widespread war and it emanates from Netanyahu and his globalist buddies.

Along similar lines and worth watching, although they go sooo slow it gave me impatient feet.

The Israel Attacks: Beyond the Obvious with Efrat Fenigson

What I expect to be the case is that the globalist elephant in the room is not much of a conspiracy, more like the confluence of organic streams that nobody controls.

Not the big banks, not the corporate media, not nation states or groups of nation states with shared interests. Not a cabal of career politicians left and right or their corporate sponsors. It just happens to be that these big streams naturally come together without design or plan, where sometimes small changes in flow direction can have effects downstream, like suddenly generate a local avalanche on the slopes of hill nr 231-c. Was there a conspiracy to cause that avalanche? Most certainly not. Simply because nobody is in control of any or all events.

Psychologically it is understandable that when you try zoom out to see a bigger picture, something starts to have the appearance of a huge face in the sky. A Rorschach inkblot in your mind morphing into a boogey man with an evil plan when you look at what happened in the south of Israel. Which basically is the same process the creates images of God or Satan in our heads.

Always fascinated by ants from a young age. Or termites. How do those small insects manage to create such huge and ingenious master pieces of hive construction, engage in team-work so complex and miraculous it makes you wonder.... how the ef does that work?

I don't believe in non-local holistic quantum voodoo. What appears to me to be happening is that "the small create the big". Creation is emanating from a fountainhead where all causal arrows go from small-now to big-later (see the space-time correlation).

Free will is not an illusion, some causal power can be assigned to human decision making and free choice. It may be a small power and nearly insignificant but in the model of a small-now ---> big-later fountainhead, it is clear that small free-willed choices can make serious differences in the future. Most small events dissolve in the noise but some causal streams that have their origin in freely made choices can confluence when they spread and stream out into the future.

So rather than obsessing about global forces we don't really see or understand exactly... it is better to pay attention to the small things and moments that leave the fountainhead's mouth. The elephant in the room are those millions of small creepy crawlers that make up BB, the Big Boogeyman. BB has no mind, it doesn't think, it has no plan. Just shadows on the wall, but I can see the profile of Klaus Schwab there, alias Dr. Inkblot.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Parodite: I agree on free will. In this case, it is Netanyahu’s free will that is operant. I don’t know exactly what he did, but he definitely did it. He owns this one.

On conspiracy, all politics is conspiracy and history is replete with successful conspiracies.

The main feature of human intelligence is pattern recognition, so we are not going to escape forming false narratives unless we stop thinking.

We are improving at identifying government sponsored narratives and picking out where the propagandists are manipulating our free will. Overall a positive trend.

[Typhoon]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True


Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

SO HP what other genocidal movements do you support?

Poor Typhoon, he has to deal with all this


.

Please don't bother expressing faux concern for me.

I suggest that it's your back that you should be watching.

[Typhoon]

. . .

On conspiracy, all politics is conspiracy and history is replete with successful conspiracies.

The main feature of human intelligence is pattern recognition, so we are not going to escape forming false narratives unless we stop thinking.

We are improving at identifying government sponsored narratives and picking out where the propagandists are manipulating our free will. Overall a positive trend.

If there is one thing that humans excel at,
then it is perceiving patterns in random images, sequences, and events, i.e., where none exist.

[noddy]

Its a multi polar world now, Iran no longer cares what the west thinks and when they shout "death to israel, death to the west" they mean it , Hamas is just their fun toy.

its going to get uglier, everyone is going to escalate from now on.

If West want to disarm mad mullahs, West should arrange peace between Pali and Israel .. make 2 state solution reality, fair for both side

If so, mad mullahs will have no traction anymore


Slogans, shouting, , worthless
.

whats that about ?

The west has no power to organise such nonsense, the Arab world doent care what the west thinks.

The west doesnt really care about Israel either, its just politically expediant in some circles for geopolitical reasons.

The arab world doesnt care about palestine either, its not a real country, its trouble makers and millitants snuck in from other countries mostly , hardly any original palestinians left, they are just playthings for geopolitical games from both sides.

which leaves us with the facts.

Israel is paranoid and brutual, borderline fascist, it keeps the "palestinians" caged because it worries if they get out of the cage they will unleash a hellstorm of rapists and murderers and missiles - which is true, so not paranoid

Palestine is a refugee camp of mischief makers and struggling locals, borderline terrorist psychos , it keeps attacking the Israelis because they keep it crushed under the boot of their army and worry Israel will destroy them if given half a chance - which is true, so not paranoid.

both sides are perfectly correct, neither side can risk the other side, their is a situation that cant be handled with trust.

I would tend to support the Israelis because in the grand scheme of things, the Arab response has been psycho bullshit since day one, its just rascist ranting and hatred.

still, wouldnt personally lift a finger either way - place was a hell hole before i was born, if it doesnt get glassed, I think it will be a hell hole after I die.

[Heracleum Persicum]

.

Quatar is biggest backer of Hamas

Financially and politically

Quatar hosts both :

- Biggest USA military base .. Al Udeid Military Base
- Headquarter of Hamas with its chief Mr Haniehe

Quatar finances Hamas since 20 years


If you are a major LNG supplier to the world, and have unlimited $$$$$, You can do whatever you want

Ruler of Quatar is right now on state visit in Berlin .. Being shmoozed by President of Germany


AlJazira is government owned


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovEtt36Kqs

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[Heracleum Persicum]

So far I have not heard one new line of commentary or idea that we haven't heard before.

True


Well, Parodite, here a "new idea"


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nfi4k9sKiBU

SO HP what other genocidal movements do you support?

Poor Typhoon, he has to deal with all this


.

Please don't bother expressing faux concern for me.

I suggest that it's your back that you should be watching.

No "faux" but real concern

For civilized debate facts must be answered with facts

Unjustified "Ad hominem" responses, immature and rude, must be disciplined

There no need to watch my back as smart readers know HP means good

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Meanwhile among the US chattering and ruling classes . . .

Harvard Crimson | Harvard Students Doxxed, Groups Withdraw Signatures Amid Continued Backlash to Israel Statement

Some Harvard students are learning a most important lesson, one that apparently was not taught to them by their parents or overpriced Harvard faculty, that actions have consequences.

ZH | "Your Position Is Clear" - Musk Slams Terrorist-Supporting BLM Posts

Crickets?

No idea who the OP is, but that is an interesting and, to the best of my knowledge, an original perspective.

He's no one in particular; merely a working lawyer out of LA. It's a great way to articulate a familiar pattern.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

I do not want to see the full brunt of this falling on the Palestinian Christian community and to another extent the Druze community, both which are captives to two hostile sides. And the patterns of these wars, and one of many reasons they continue, is that always end up driving out the minority populations while solidifying some sort of political-ideological unity among the aggressors.

If we are speaking plainly about picking sides, that's where I'm at. The whole thing is a mess and I very much rather not see Jews and Muslims blow each other up, but at the moment they both have powerful allies and support these other groups do not. The majority of the Palestinian population was Christian at the time of the British mandate. These people, long there, and with as much right to the forever grievance pot luck as any one else, didn't get beamed up by aliens. I do not think it too clever by half to suggest that British and European policy in the region was always geared towards eliminating these communities with rival claims on their religious authorities- religious authorities captured under imperial policy and so a matter of imperial power. Indirectly supporting that minority we can place under the heading of 'Muslim fanatics' as a unifying force in the region has been of European interest as much as helping (or getting rid of depending on how one wants to parse it) Jews establish a homeland outside of their diaspora.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/11/israel- ... inues.html

U.S. intelligence showed Iranian leaders were surprised by Hamas’ attack on Israel, sources told NBC News

Some Iranian media saying, Only Russia materially benefits from this .. there no real benefit for Iran in this, in contrary.


https://asiatimes.com/2023/10/israel-ga ... for-putin/

and

Not far fetched if Russia involved .. for Russia this legit war strategy as it drains Western firepower and energy in Ukraine.

https://www.politico.eu/article/hamas-g ... 0in%201967.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... n-ukraine/


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My guess would be that Israel (and US and Europe) know this .. but Israel want create a situation that somehow Iran is pulled into this, politically or much better militarily.

Arabs probably know this too


https://www.newsweek.com/russia-behind- ... za-1832999

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine ... in-1832935

https://www.newsweek.com/medvedev-israe ... ts-1832839


Idea being : can West, fight in Ukraine, Middle East, and with China at the same time ?

[noddy]

I do not want to see the full brunt of this falling on the Palestinian Christian community and to another extent the Druze community, both which are captives to two hostile sides. And the patterns of these wars, and one of many reasons they continue, is that always end up driving out the minority populations while solidifying some sort of political-ideological unity among the aggressors.

If we are speaking plainly about picking sides, that's where I'm at. The whole thing is a mess and I very much rather not see Jews and Muslims blow each other up, but at the moment they both have powerful allies and support these other groups do not. The majority of the Palestinian population was Christian at the time of the British mandate. These people, long there, and with as much right to the forever grievance pot luck as any one else, didn't get beamed up by aliens. I do not think it too clever by half to suggest that British and European policy in the region was always geared towards eliminating these communities with rival claims on their religious authorities- religious authorities captured under imperial policy and so a matter of imperial power. Indirectly supporting that minority we can place under the heading of 'Muslim fanatics' as a unifying force in the region has been of European interest as much as helping (or getting rid of depending on how one wants to parse it) Jews establish a homeland outside of their diaspora.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... _Palestine

the population has jumped by 1 million to 5 million and the original arab christians are a rounding error, 3000 people.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

I do not want to see the full brunt of this falling on the Palestinian Christian community and to another extent the Druze community, both which are captives to two hostile sides. And the patterns of these wars, and one of many reasons they continue, is that always end up driving out the minority populations while solidifying some sort of political-ideological unity among the aggressors.

If we are speaking plainly about picking sides, that's where I'm at. The whole thing is a mess and I very much rather not see Jews and Muslims blow each other up, but at the moment they both have powerful allies and support these other groups do not. The majority of the Palestinian population was Christian at the time of the British mandate. These people, long there, and with as much right to the forever grievance pot luck as any one else, didn't get beamed up by aliens. I do not think it too clever by half to suggest that British and European policy in the region was always geared towards eliminating these communities with rival claims on their religious authorities- religious authorities captured under imperial policy and so a matter of imperial power. Indirectly supporting that minority we can place under the heading of 'Muslim fanatics' as a unifying force in the region has been of European interest as much as helping (or getting rid of depending on how one wants to parse it) Jews establish a homeland outside of their diaspora.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... _Palestine

the population has jumped by 1 million to 5 million and the original arab christians are a rounding error, 3000 people.

Much like in Egypt, though not to extent, the population is under counted in census for political&social reasons, and the numbers should include the population pushed farther into Lebanon, which hemorrhages Christians whenever Israel and Palestinians fight- as it almost always inevitably spills over in one manner or another whether hezebollah and the north are involved or not.

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I'd also add that a zealous portion of them do not even identify as Arab and argue that the categorization is an artificial imposition with the reasoning that they do not share family relations and have maintained Aramaic - a language that Palestinian Arabs do not speak and have never spoken.

[Heracleum Persicum]

I'd also add that a zealous portion of them do not even identify as Arab and argue that the categorization is an artificial imposition with the reasoning that they do not share family relations and have maintained Aramaic - a language that Palestinian Arabs do not speak and have never spoken.

David Ben-Gurion himself said, Palestinian probably are the original Jews who were forcefully converted to Islam

Palestinians are no Arabs, not at all

All, pretty much all, "so called Arab" technocrats in Arab space, best doctors, engineers, surgeons , professors, head of hospitals, all intellectuals etc etc etc , are all Palestinians, all

Even in Israel, many top surgeons and medical specialist are (Israeli) Palestinians.

and

BTW

There no difference between Christian and Muslim Pali population.
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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Let me put it this way: it is indeed tiny numbers but it is numbers nevertheless-- numbers that the powers-that-be rather be actual rounding numbers and not the messy settlement that it actually is. A rounding error makes the whole region more legible-- and states love making peoples legible.

And its not a region specific of course but it's not terribly different from say the little indian groups in the American southwest or maybe certain polynesians whose "borders" and allegiances don't really comport to modern maps and census data.