How does this theory account for the current HC e-mail controversy? Even the NYT mentioned it.Doc wrote:The reason for that is the two families have both built up sizable campaign machines with big money donors. Notice how anyone on the outside, that does not tow the line, gets trashed by the press? Now Obama has his own machine as well.Typhoon wrote:If I was an American, I would find a Republicrat J. Bush or Demopublican H. Clinton POTUS campaign troubling.
Too many candidates from the same families.
Hillary Clinton
Re: Hillary Clinton
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
Re: Hillary Clinton
Nobody likes the Clintons and they have a long history of being secretive and flaunting the rules. IF you have watched House of Cards at all Congressman Underwood and his wife are modeled on the Clintons But of course the producers of the series toned it down for TV. AS for the email scandal just watch it will go away. Just like all the other scandals did. I actually know someone that was part of the Clinton White water investigation The person cannot say any details as they are legally prevented from doing so. All the person says is there was a lot more to the story than was told to the public.Typhoon wrote:How does this theory account for the current HC e-mail controversy? Even the NYT mentioned it.Doc wrote:The reason for that is the two families have both built up sizable campaign machines with big money donors. Notice how anyone on the outside, that does not tow the line, gets trashed by the press? Now Obama has his own machine as well.Typhoon wrote:If I was an American, I would find a Republicrat J. Bush or Demopublican H. Clinton POTUS campaign troubling.
Too many candidates from the same families.
But you might note that anyone that comes out against the Clintons ends up getting trashed. The only person that was vindicated in the earliest Clinton scandals was Gennifer Flowers. Clinton was force under oath to admit he had an affair with her after previously saying he did not. Which is why he was stripped of a license to practice law. Even lawyers apparently consider lying under oath a serious matter. But my guess is you never heard that Clinton lost his law license. Very few have.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
Re: Hillary Clinton
Oh one other thing. When Clinton was president and after he took money from the Chinese Government he told American defense contractor to help the Chinese figure out why all their missiles were exploding before they got to orbit. Now it turns out Hillary was accepting donations from foreign governments while she was Sec of State. Some are not even covered by the loose agreement she made with the Obama Admin before becoming Sec of State
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politic ... rylink=cpyIn Miami, Bill Clinton defends foreign donations to Clinton Foundation
By Patricia Mazzei -
pmazzei@MiamiHerald.com
03/07/2015 7:47 PM
| Updated: 03/07/2015 8:10 PM
Former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks at a university conference sponsored by their Clinton Global Initiative at the University of Miami, Saturday, March 7, 2015, in Coral Gables, Fla.
Hillary Clinton avoided talking politics Saturday in Coral Gables. She left that to her husband.
Speaking to students at the University of Miami, the former secretary of state did not make a single mention of her likely presidential candidacy or the controversies that have recently surrounded it. But taking the stage after her, ex-President Bill Clinton addressed one of them for the first time.
The former president defended the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation for its acceptance of millions of dollars in donations from foreign governments, including during his wife’s State Department tenure.
“I believe they do a lot more good than harm,” he said, acknowledging donations from other countries, including some in the Middle East.
“The U.A.E. gave us money,” he said, referring to the United Arab Emirates. “Do we agree with everything they do? No, but they help us fight ISIS,” referring to the so-called Islamic State.
He characterized the donations as coming from “friends” that had previously contributed to the foundation and were allowed to keep doing so under a 2008 ethics agreement with the Obama administration. But that was not the case with a $500,000 contribution from the Algerian government.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
- Nonc Hilaire
- Posts: 6268
- Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:28 am
Is Hillary ineligible?
Hillary Is Ineligible to Run for President!
Al Ritter
I always thought that international donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State would be the biggest thing that would sink her. Of course there is a huge difference in Hillary Clinton going to jail, and Hillary being denied the office of President. I can already see the cynical, disbelieving look in your face, but humor me for a little bit and I’ll tell you how America can deny her that highest office in the nation!
Hillary’s obvious arrogance over her emailgate has led her to a false sense of security. Her secure feeling of arrogance is based around the idea that Eric Holder, or Loretta Lynch would never try her for her crime of destroying her all her email records. She is probably correct in that assumption, but there are other ways to skin this cat!
Hillary has violated U.S. Federal code: 18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally. This is the exact wording of this law:
“(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.”
Pay close attention to the wording underlined especially “and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
You ask…..”What good is this if she won’t be prosecuted by the DOJ?”
This is where state’s rights come into play. Each State has to certify and approve a candidate to run in their state and be placed on the ballot. Are you following me so far? If just two or three Republican Governors pushed their attorney generals to deny the certification based on the violation of this federal law, then Hillary would be forced into defensive mode rather than thumbing her nose at the entire country for her obvious arrogance. The states could enforce federal law without even involving the DOJ. The courts could be forced into constant appeal processes until the time constraints could make her run irrelevant. Only two or three states denying her certification would sink ANY chances of her winning.
Jail time could wait until the new Administration takes charge and pushes their own Attorney General to prosecute her.
The law is irrefutable in its meaning and very explicit in its punishment, so I don’t think she could battle this very successfully.
I LOVE it when a plan comes together!..........Mail this to your Republican Governor!
Source: 18 U.S. Code § 2071
http://alspoliticalview.blogspot.com/20 ... n-for.html
“Christ has no body now but yours. Yours are the eyes through which he looks with compassion on this world. Yours are the feet with which he walks among His people to do good. Yours are the hands through which he blesses His creation.”
Teresa of Ávila
Teresa of Ávila
- Zack Morris
- Posts: 2837
- Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:52 am
- Location: Bayside High School
Re: Hillary Clinton
I'm not a lawyer but this doesn't sound remotely plausible. My educated guess is that the certification process is largely a bureaucratic procedure and that state attorney generals are in no position to play Federal prosector, judge, and jury against Mrs. Clinton, who has not been accused of committing any crime. The scenario laid out in this article would simply never happen. The outrage over Republican states trying to block a candidate (let alone the first viable female candidate) from running in a Federal election through underhanded legal tactics would dwarf the email issue.
Re: Hillary Clinton
I suppose It all depends of the statue of limitations and whether or Not Hillary gets elected. Either it does not matter what laws Hillary broke or it does matter. The Obama admin is probably not willing to charge Hillary if nothing else for the bad blood that would generate. But they don't seem to be very pleased about what has transpired. Unless of course Warren decided to run. Hillary if she had to run today for Pouts would lose. This scandal has pushed her numbers down in the swing states to where her negatives are bigger than her positive numbersZack Morris wrote:I'm not a lawyer but this doesn't sound remotely plausible. My educated guess is that the certification process is largely a bureaucratic procedure and that state attorney generals are in no position to play Federal prosector, judge, and jury against Mrs. Clinton, who has not been accused of committing any crime. The scenario laid out in this article would simply never happen. The outrage over Republican states trying to block a candidate (let alone the first viable female candidate) from running in a Federal election through underhanded legal tactics would dwarf the email issue.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
- Heracleum Persicum
- Posts: 11854
- Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm
Re: Hillary Clinton
.
Very trist state of affairs when in our beloved US of A only choice for President is Hillary and Jeb
Very trist, indeed
.
Very trist state of affairs when in our beloved US of A only choice for President is Hillary and Jeb
Very trist, indeed
.
Re: Hillary Clinton
Kind of early to make that assumption.Heracleum Persicum wrote:.
Very trist state of affairs when in our beloved US of A only choice for President is Hillary and Jeb
Very trist, indeed
.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
- Heracleum Persicum
- Posts: 11854
- Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm
Re: Hillary Clinton
Doc wrote:Kind of early to make that assumption.Heracleum Persicum wrote:.
Very trist state of affairs when in our beloved US of A only choice for President is Hillary and Jeb
Very trist, indeed
.
.
Good to hear that
.
- Heracleum Persicum
- Posts: 11854
- Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm
- Heracleum Persicum
- Posts: 11854
- Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 pm
Re: Hillary Clinton
.
Monica Lewinsky on TED.com
She got a standing ovation
Rumour is, Michelle Obama VP of Hillery
But
Monica too a good choice for VP
.
Monica Lewinsky on TED.com
She got a standing ovation
Rumour is, Michelle Obama VP of Hillery
But
Monica too a good choice for VP
.
Re: Hillary Clinton
Folks,
Hillary has announced her intentions.
Alex.
Hillary has announced her intentions.
Alex.
Re: Hillary Clinton
manolo wrote:Folks,
Hillary has announced her intentions.
Alex.
She announced her intentions when she took all that money from Foreign governments.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
- YMix
- Posts: 4631
- Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:53 am
- Location: Department of Congruity - Report any outliers here
Re: Hillary Clinton
At least this is her last campaign. And Chelsea doesn't strike me as able to pick up the Clinton banner.
“There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent? Take a look at what we’ve done, too.” - Donald J. Trump, President of the USA
The Kushner sh*t is greasy - Stevie B.
The Kushner sh*t is greasy - Stevie B.
Re: Hillary Clinton
I agree. Chelsea doesn't seem interested in running for President, ever. I guess the attacks the right wingers made on her when she was a girl turned her off to it.YMix wrote:At least this is her last campaign. And Chelsea doesn't strike me as able to pick up the Clinton banner.
cultivate a white rose
- YMix
- Posts: 4631
- Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:53 am
- Location: Department of Congruity - Report any outliers here
Re: Hillary Clinton
I don't know about attacks, but she's too soft and doesn't even try to charm people. Or maybe she is trying and not getting anywhere with it.Azrael wrote:I agree. Chelsea doesn't seem interested in running for President, ever. I guess the attacks the right wingers made on her when she was a girl turned her off to it.
“There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent? Take a look at what we’ve done, too.” - Donald J. Trump, President of the USA
The Kushner sh*t is greasy - Stevie B.
The Kushner sh*t is greasy - Stevie B.
- Nonc Hilaire
- Posts: 6268
- Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:28 am
Re: Hillary Clinton
Hillary is a Democratic John McCain. We need a younger president with a stake in the future, not an old timer trying to cash in on their past.
This idea that the Presidential nomination is a reward for decades of party loyalty is abhorrent.
This idea that the Presidential nomination is a reward for decades of party loyalty is abhorrent.
“Christ has no body now but yours. Yours are the eyes through which he looks with compassion on this world. Yours are the feet with which he walks among His people to do good. Yours are the hands through which he blesses His creation.”
Teresa of Ávila
Teresa of Ávila
Re: Hillary Clinton
Agreed. And well stated.Nonc Hilaire wrote:Hillary is a Democratic John McCain. We need a younger president with a stake in the future, not an old timer trying to cash in on their past.
This idea that the Presidential nomination is a reward for decades of party loyalty is abhorrent.
She is also a John Kerry, Mitt Romney, Al Gore, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, Walter Mondale, Jimmy Carter, etc.
Think back to every election since Carter-Reagan (or farther is you are older), the more robotic of the two candidates always loses.
Merikans vote for cool, hip candidates.
GW Bush vs. Al Gore, boy that was the battle of the non-personality droids, wasn't it?
Re: Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton is a vindictive, dishonest, warmongering incompetent.
Highly recommend the 3 part portrait by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair in Counterpunch.
It is not pretty.
Highly recommend the 3 part portrait by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair in Counterpunch.
It is not pretty.
- YMix
- Posts: 4631
- Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:53 am
- Location: Department of Congruity - Report any outliers here
Re: Hillary Clinton
Read the article. This woman should not be president. In fact, she shouldn't hold any office.
“There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent? Take a look at what we’ve done, too.” - Donald J. Trump, President of the USA
The Kushner sh*t is greasy - Stevie B.
The Kushner sh*t is greasy - Stevie B.
Re: Hillary Clinton
Simple Minded wrote:BXdNYXMQoy8
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros