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Well, the website is no longer empty. The stupid has started flowing in.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/ ... ion-reform
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries).
No mention of the drug war that the USA has exported to Mexico. No mention of how US businesses take advantage of cheap Mexican labor.
The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
Ummm, you could always tell US employers not give jobs to Mexicans. It's as simple as that.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:Or a Clinton mole.
Yes one would almost think so, but I don't believe that. I think he really wants to become the GOP to face-off Clinton. His threat of going independent is really brilliant. He reminded Anderson (read: his GOP audience) that had Perot not run as an independent.. "nobody would have ever heard of the name Clinton". So better not make him go independent he tells his GOP audience! "There are soooo many people who ask me if I go independent.. who want me to go independent..." lol.. is the stark reminder to the GOP that they better support him become the GOP candidate in the finals! Or else...

I suppose that if indeed he would go independent in the end.. and the GOP looses because of that from the Clinton's as with Perot... he will never be welcome again in the GOP. He is playing a high ball game and positioned himself in the perfect position.

I now also believe that his remarks about the bribery business between corp and politics is very bad for the USA.. are genuine, honest. He said it on more than one occasion. Anderson questioning him about it and asking if that is not hypocrit given the fact that he himself has been doing just that with both Dems and Reps... he plays another hard to beat trump card: "that is what you do as a business.. everybody does it.. if you wanna get anywhere."

His message and reasoning there is like: "If you want to do something about it without being hypocritical.. you won't have the money nor the political inroads to change it so you loose anyways. I played the game as everybody does and within the law as it is, it made me loads of money and gave me the political inroads and friends both on the Rep and Dem parties. That is why I can and plan to do something about it and nobody else can. This system is bad for our country and I want to change it." I think such sales pitch will sell.
Pretty much sums it up.
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" They are going to be such a wealthy,
such a powerful nation.

They are going to have nuclear weapons.
They are going to take over parts of the world that you wouldn't believe ..,"
Trump said of Iran.



Donald Trump Would Not Rip Up The Iran Deal

" You know, I've taken over some bad contracts. I buy contracts where people screwed up and they have bad contracts," he said. "But I'm really good at looking at a contract and finding things within a contract that, even if they're bad, I would police that contract so tough that they don't have a chance. As bad as the contract is, I will be so tough on that contract "

Well, Mr. Perfect, seems Joe on board


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Trump said Secretary of State John Kerry and other negotiators of the deal are "incompetent," and said if he becomes president he'd bring in business magnates like himself to cut deals with other nations.
He's clearly taking on the establishment.
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Trump said Secretary of State John Kerry and other negotiators of the deal are "incompetent," and said if he becomes president he'd bring in business magnates like himself to cut deals with other nations.
He's clearly taking on the establishment.
He's redefining the POTUS as 'Dealmaker in Chief'. He would make a good Secretary of Commerce.
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Parodite wrote:Is Trump a man with a detailed vision and plan for the US? Where is it published so we can talk about more than his hair-do.
Parodite,

At least as far back as 1976, I don't ever recall a POTUS candidate coming out with any detailed plans. Detailed plans can be subjected to cost-benefit analysis. Too easy to destroy.

Easier to sell ideology than solutions. Ideologues hate both specifics and the intersection of reality and their dreams.

Tough to build a big tent "we" with specifics about who gets what freebie, and who ends up paying for the freebies, and how the whole package can be sustainable, fair, just, or well managed.

But if you vote for me, everybody gets all the Dr. Feelgood they want or need.... at no cost. The other guy claims his Dr. Feelgood is better, but I heard it is just horse piss in a pretty bottle. :)
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“Saudi Arabia, if it weren’t for us, they wouldn’t be here,”
Trump said.
“They wouldn’t exist.”
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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“They should pay us,” Trump said of the oil rich nation. “Like it or don’t like it, people have backed Saudi Arabia. What I really mind, though, is we back it at tremendous expense. We get nothing for it.”

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"The primary reason we're with Saudi Arabia is because we need the oil," Trump said. "Now we don't need the oil so much, and if we let our people really go, we wouldn't need the oil at all and we could let everybody else fight it out."

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"Saudi Arabia is going to be in big trouble pretty soon and they're going to need help, because if you look at Yemen and you look at that border, you don't have to be an expert to know that is one long border, and they're not going in for Yemen, they're going in for the oil, they're going in for Saudi Arabia, so Saudi Arabia is going to need help," Trump said.

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Folks, Saudi Arabia pretty much done, well done

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Trump may be bigger than us all. Insular media coming out of the Condell bubble.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/ ... omination/
Bloomberg Politics Managing Editor Mark Halperin stated that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has “reached a turning point” where the “establishment candidates” think he can win Iowa, “most” believe he can win the nomination, and “a significant number think he could win the White House” on Monday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

Halperin was asked his writing that “Most importantly, we’ve reached a turning point with Trump, the major establishment campaigns of both parties now think Trump could win Iowa, and most of them think he could win the nomination, and a significant number think he could win the White House.” And that the campaigns were in “full freak out mode.”

He said, “Trump may not end up as the nominee, but right now, he’s changed the race, not just leading in the Fox poll, but coming to the fair. I’ve been to the fair with Barack Obama at his peak, Sarah Palin at her peak, with other candidates, George Bush. The reception Trump got here was not just about celebrity. I walked with him for 45 minutes after the helicopter ride, he came to the fair, and people were yelling things to him with passion. ‘Save us,’ ‘You’re the only one who can stop Hillary,’ ‘Thank you for making America great again.’ The other campaigns — the other leading Republican campaigns, monitored Trump’s behavior here. And that was part, along with the Fox poll, and along with the developments of the last couple of weeks, of them saying, as you just quoted, they now believe Trump can win Iowa.”

Host Joe Scarborough then remarked, “that really changes everything in this campaign about how they react to him.” Halperin agreed with this point.
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Substance. Perhaps the greatest domestic policy since the Reagan tax cuts.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... tion-plan/
While most of the permanent political class is still aghast that 2016 GOP presidential frontrunner billionaire Donald Trump put together one of most specific, pro-American worker immigration plans of anyone running for public office, he’s winning widespread praise from key experts on the issue.

Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) executive director Mark Krikorian told Breitbart News that he’s pleased Trump is drawing a focus to this issue and his plan is spot on.

Krikorian said in an email:

The first notable thing about Trump’s immigration plan are the three principles it lays out. Immigration policy must be based exclusively on the interest of We the People of the United States, not wealthy donors, not corporations, not union bosses, not big-city politicians, and not foreign citizens. Why every candidate of every party hasn’t already said this is a mystery. Many of the specifics are also sound: E-Verify, visa-tracking, cutting off aid to sanctuary cities, making overstay of a visa a criminal offense, tightening up on H-1B visas, etc. His support for moderating our current very high levels of legal immigration is welcome, though I look forward to more specifics — which visa categories should be reduced or eliminated? Also, I think the antagonism toward Mexico in the first section is not helpful — Mexico is indeed obstructionist in many areas, though it is helpful in others (for instance, by interdicting many of the Central American illegals headed north). Our approach to our neighbor to the south must be firm, but not ham-handed. But overall, none of the other Republican (or Democratic) candidates (with the exception of Rick Santorum) has as sound and as well thought-through an immigration plan.

In addition, conservative columnist Ann Coulter—author of 11 New York Times bestselling books, including Adios America: The Left’s Plan To Turn Our Country Into A Third World Hellhole—Tweeted immense praise for Trump’s new document all day Sunday.

In one Tweet, Coulter called the plan “the greatest political document since the Magna Carta.” In another, she said Trump’s plan proves “IT’S MORNING IN AMERICA, AGAIN!”

Coulter, who supported Mitt Romney in 2012 because he was the strongest candidate on immigration that year, Tweeted that Trump’s document is the first of its kind since President Dwight Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback” back in the 1950s.

“We haven’t seen anything like this since Dwight Eisenhower’s ‘Operation Wetback,’” she Tweeted. “Even @MittRomney wasn’t this pro-American on immigration.”

She also noted that there is no issue of political significance that matters as much as this, because if policies like Trump’s aren’t implemented, then Democrats will win national elections for decades straight and Republicans won’t be able to stop anything bad from becoming law. “Nothing else matters. Unless we stop 3rd worlders pouring in, bloc-voting 4 the Dems, conservatives lose EVERYTHING,” Coulter Tweeted.

Without Trump’s “immigration plan, it will be nothing but Obamas and Hillarys as president for the rest of our lives,” Coulter Tweeted after mocking Republicans party-wide for putting out position papers on issues of less significance than stopping the Democrats from fundamentally transforming the American electorate.

“These morons with their little position papers on how to replace Obamacare, deal with Iran and defund planned parenthood,” Coulter Tweeted, adding in a follow-up Tweet, “too stupid to grasp that they’ll never be in a position to do any of that unless we stop foreigners from voting in our elections.”

She also predicted that Republicans will attempt to “bury” Trump for “upsetting the donor class,” so it’s important “to get them on the record” now. She’s making the comparison between those attacking Trump and those who attacked Ronald Reagan in 1976 and 1980, and wants a record of who’s attacking Trump now “so 30 yrs from now, when all the little dweebs are claiming to be ‘Trump conservatives,’ we can say, no UR not.”

Coulter also Tweeted several quotes from the Trump document, including where Trump talks about turning refugee programs instead into jobs programs for American youths—and where Trump calls Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) billionaire Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg’s “personal senator.” Zuckerberg, of course, runs a lobbying firm called FWD.us designed to push for more cheap foreign labor, especially extra H-1B visas.

She then noted that Trump is the “only candidate who cares” about “black lives” since his immigration plan “will increase black, Hispanic, female workers” in Silicon Valley, rather than decreasing such American workers who are black, Hispanic or female, as Rubio’s push to bring in foreign workers would do.

In addition to Coulter and Krikorian, obviously, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)—the intellectual leader of the conservative movement and the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest—backed it publicly already. Trump consulted Sessions while writing it.

ComputerWorld magazine, a top trade magazine that’s honed in heavily on the H-1B scandal issue, noted how Trump’s position puts him in line with the chairman of the full Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), as well. It’s also got bipartisan support from folks like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a devout socialist who’s seeking the Democratic nomination for president and has been getting large crowds similar to Trump’s among GOP audiences, and Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), the Democratic Whip in the U.S. Senate.

“Trump, who is seeking the Republican nomination for president, may be closer to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in his criticisms of the H-1B visa than any of his fellow Republicans seeking the presidential nomination. Sanders, an Independent who is seeking the Democrat presidential nomination, says the H-1B program is being used to help ship jobs overseas,” Patrick Thibodeau, ComputerWorld’s senior editor, wrote on Sunday. “Trump’s H-1B proposal is clearly aligned with the ideas of U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the chair of the Judiciary Committee, and Grassley’s longtime ally, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) — not to mention Sessions.”

Aligning with Grassley—in addition to Sessions, who’s beloved in conservative and GOP circles, of course—puts Trump in a prime position in the all-important first presidential state of Iowa, where, along with everywhere else, he’s currently polling as the GOP frontrunner. Grassley is the senior U.S. Senator from Iowa, and it’s clear Trump’s position is his position, meaning that should Trump be elected president he’d be aiming to implement Grassley’s ideas in the White House.

“The intellectual roots of Trump’s H-1B views can be found in its links, which includes the testimony and work of two of leading academic critics, Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at Howard University, and Hal Salzman, professor of planning and public policy at Rutgers University, who studies the science and engineering workforce,” Thibodeau added in his ComputerWorld piece. “In previous presidential campaigns, the H-1B visa has been notable mainly by its absence. By making it major part of his immigration platform, Trump is clearly raising the issue’s profile and may force other candidates to engage on it. That alone could lead to a much broader debate about the H-1B visa than ever before.”
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Donald Trump’s immigration plan would wreak havoc on U.S. society

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Donald Trump’s immigration plan would wreak havoc on U.S. society
By Editorial Board August 17 at 7:38 PM

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Donald Trump, who unveiled his immigration platform over the weekend, says America’s illegal immigrants “have to go.” Although the large majority of Americans don’t agree, Mr. Trump is appealing to a more sympathetic audience: the most conservative slice of the Republican primary electorate.

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I guess we agree Trump is antiestablishment.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:I guess we agree Trump is antiestablishment.
Nope.
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Probably the majority left right and center view him as antiestablishment, if you want to take that away from him you are probably going to have to come up with something.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Probably the majority left right and center view him as antiestablishment,
I couldn't care less.
if you want to take that away from him you are probably going to have to come up with something.
Such as what?
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Maybe he is antiestablishment... but primarily he is anti his competitors. He wants Trump to Win.

Somebody asked him if he would really stop corp paying off politicans for favors. He said yes. "Maybe not forever.. but for 4 years or so." :lol:
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Parodite wrote:Maybe he is antiestablishment... but primarily he is anti his competitors. He wants Trump to Win.
I don't see how he could win without the establishment's support.
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YMix wrote:
Parodite wrote:Maybe he is antiestablishment... but primarily he is anti his competitors. He wants Trump to Win.
I don't see how he could win without the establishment's support.
It seems the GOP might already have lost it:

Did Republicans just give away the 2016 election by raising birthright citizenship?
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“There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent? Take a look at what we’ve done, too.” - Donald J. Trump, President of the USA
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Even if Spenglerman is correct, it does not matter as the details of the topic are too esoteric for most voters.

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YMix wrote:
Parodite wrote:Maybe he is antiestablishment... but primarily he is anti his competitors. He wants Trump to Win.
I don't see how he could win without the establishment's support.
You win by getting the most electoral votes.
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Parodite wrote:
YMix wrote:
Parodite wrote:Maybe he is antiestablishment... but primarily he is anti his competitors. He wants Trump to Win.
I don't see how he could win without the establishment's support.
It seems the GOP might already have lost it:

Did Republicans just give away the 2016 election by raising birthright citizenship?
The GOP probably just won it.
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Typhoon wrote:
Even if Spenglerman is correct, it does not matter as the details of the topic are too esoteric for most voters.
Most voters probably just don't agree.

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Where was the takedown. Interesting to see people so desperate to ma!ign Trump that they will align with Spengler.
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Mr. Perfect wrote:Where was the takedown. Interesting to see people so desperate to ma!ign Trump that they will align with Spengler.
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