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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

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djvlad is a hip-hop producer who also hosts this interview show. He sort of specializes in that LA 90s gangsta rap scene- especially the actual gangster part. He always gets these guys to talk, which is why his comments are filled with people going, "Vlad is a Cop!" ...and it's filled with very interesting information in regards to this topic.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

which is why we have the dont-ask-dont-tell thing going on with the biker gangs.

so, the solution to american gun violence is we need a black kublai khan in the gang riddled cities.

Which, when you read the literature of American gov't discussions while the cities burnt in the late 60s, seemed to the be the solution they were aiming at.

The idea was that if we allow the promotion of black separatism, while the initial wave will be brutal, it would develop the necessary espirit de corps and settle down.

But 50 years on, I can't say it's worked out too well. Maybe made the problem worse.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

noddy, you mention the civil war and slavery...and that's part of it.

But consider it also runs up against the Cold War.

It's like a perfect storm.

The Soviets famously invested in our black community. And the black intellectual class by the 60s featured various forms of socialists that "white" Americans didn't want to promote. So at the same time for a push for integration, there is also this desire to purge the socialists...and it turned into a mess.

But that socialist element continued, hip-hop was conceived as a means of undermining capitalism.

[noddy]

problem with Kublai's is they dont arrive on call.

takes alot of balls to smash your way through gang after gang ruthlessy, most folk dont have what it takes.

in my state the head biker is also a high level lawyer and is tied to the police via long term friendships - he is literally untouchable and sometimes uses the police to smash down rivals.

[noddy]

noddy, you mention the civil war and slavery...and that's part of it.

But consider it also runs up against the Cold War.

It's like a perfect storm.

yah - i get that.

australia is texas (WA, where i live), florida (QLD) , new york (sydney), canada (melbourne) and some flyover states, and we dont have mexico or russia and we have the same amount of space as the whole america to play in.

[noddy]

But that socialist element continued, hip-hop was conceived as a means of undermining capitalism.

buaahhahahhaha, fo schiz!

nar, i dont get that at all - i see the exact opposite, wild west and robber barrons playing out..

severlly lacking in sheriffs prepared to do the hard yards perhaps.

makes me think of that James Brown doco i saw, all the self proclaimed black leaders preachin socialism and James all "genuflect you, i put in the yards for this lavender" right wing attitude.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

problem with Kublai's is they dont arrive on call.

takes alot of balls to smash your way through gang after gang ruthlessy, most folk dont have what it takes.

Yes. It takes a very special sort of ruthless person. and sometimes those in the collaterial doesn't recover. The Khans weren't exactly beneficial to Central Asia.

in my state the head biker is also a high level lawyer and is tied to the police via long term friendships - he is literally untouchable and sometimes uses the police to smash down rivals.

Yeah, that's the sort of institutional protection very few in this life will have, for even a brief minute.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

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Unlike the 80s, South-Central LA is now run by the Mexicans because of organization...we've also seen drops in spree mayhem.

[Mr. Perfect]

sure but the drug gangs thing isnt special, everyone has those, however they dont flourish in quite the same way, for some reason.

It's called US liberals and the Democrat Party + inner city blacks.

This is a 50 year old dynamic now.

[Mr. Perfect]

thats not the question - the question is why your gangs are so toxic and nobody elses are.

we have the full drug trade, south asian gangs, biker gangs from all around the world, even eastern european drug syndicates.

we have suburbs of desoloation , everyone on meth and worse, long term unemployables with nothing better todo than get wasted and get in fights.

england, canada, likewise, all this and more.

yet somehow you dont need to remove the gang stats from our murder rates, if you did, they would approach zero.

so what is it.. what unique quality in america makes everything so much more virulent.

Sounds like you are giving up on the guns as the answer to that question.

[Mr. Perfect]

umm, except it hasnt happened, but it is a great cut n paste talking point in american circles and i have seen it dozens of times, so i do admire the consistency.

Are you aware it happens in America.

Can you think why people in your country may obey one law but break the others.

[Mr. Perfect]

its not guns, its something else, something todo with the slavery and civil war and the relationship to your police that the rest of us just dont quite get.

Blacks being the disproportionate home of gang related crime is a more recent phenomena historically and mostly takes place in the non South and they elect their own police.

Try again.

[noddy]

thats not the question - the question is why your gangs are so toxic and nobody elses are.

we have the full drug trade, south asian gangs, biker gangs from all around the world, even eastern european drug syndicates.

we have suburbs of desoloation , everyone on meth and worse, long term unemployables with nothing better todo than get wasted and get in fights.

england, canada, likewise, all this and more.

yet somehow you dont need to remove the gang stats from our murder rates, if you did, they would approach zero.

so what is it.. what unique quality in america makes everything so much more virulent.

Sounds like you are giving up on the guns as the answer to that question.

except i never thought guns are part of it.

i just keep trying to get past your paranoid knee jerks and into conversation.

[Mr. Perfect]

They also wear underpants and prefer to eat food.

I don't think underwear and food glorify gang violence.

[noddy]

umm, except it hasnt happened, but it is a great cut n paste talking point in american circles and i have seen it dozens of times, so i do admire the consistency.

Are you aware it happens in America.

Can you think why people in your country may obey one law but break the others.

drugs are important to them and guns arent, would be the obvious guess

[Mr. Perfect]

because your country is smothered in guns and if one state bans them then its just a matter of smuggling them in from the next state.

Ok, but can you explain why the guns don't stay in the lax states and are not used for murder in those states?

Doesn't it seem strange to you that people who can buy guns with no impedance don't use them in crimes?

[Mr. Perfect]

drugs are important to them and guns arent, would be the obvious guess

Interesting observation.

Would lead one to conclude that the actual law had nothing to do with it.

[Mr. Perfect]

which is why we have the dont-ask-dont-tell thing going on with the biker gangs.

so, the solution to american gun violence is we need a black kublai khan in the gang riddled cities.

We need to eradicate liberalism from the inner cities.

[Mr. Perfect]

thats not the question - the question is why your gangs are so toxic and nobody elses are.

we have the full drug trade, south asian gangs, biker gangs from all around the world, even eastern european drug syndicates.

we have suburbs of desoloation , everyone on meth and worse, long term unemployables with nothing better todo than get wasted and get in fights.

england, canada, likewise, all this and more.

yet somehow you dont need to remove the gang stats from our murder rates, if you did, they would approach zero.

so what is it.. what unique quality in america makes everything so much more virulent.

I didn't say anything about drugs.

[noddy]

which is why we have the dont-ask-dont-tell thing going on with the biker gangs.

so, the solution to american gun violence is we need a black kublai khan in the gang riddled cities.

We need to eradicate liberalism from the inner cities.

vote 1 Kublai.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

There is also the starboard observation that American gun culture overlaps with Scot-Irish settlers. There's a long memory of what happened when the foreign gov't snatched the guns because of a tulyie or two.

[Simple Minded]

I'm not sure how easy it would be to squeeze supply lines here, as opposed to Australia.

In theory, our current anti-gun cities are supposed to work like this, and it's done squat.

What if we outlawed animate, self-propelled guns that careless wander into areas with restrictive guns laws?

I like the legislative wall theory. Cause all politics is local.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

I'm not sure how easy it would be to squeeze supply lines here, as opposed to Australia.

In theory, our current anti-gun cities are supposed to work like this, and it's done squat.

What if we outlawed animate, self-propelled guns that careless wander into areas with restrictive guns laws?

I like the legislative wall theory. Cause all politics is local.

We really should stop building legs on these things.

[Simple Minded]

I'm not sure how easy it would be to squeeze supply lines here, as opposed to Australia.

In theory, our current anti-gun cities are supposed to work like this, and it's done squat.

What if we outlawed animate, self-propelled guns that careless wander into areas with restrictive guns laws?

I like the legislative wall theory. Cause all politics is local.

We really should stop building legs on these things.

We need to distinguish between single shot, semi-automatic, automatic, and self-propelled guns with free will and bad attitudes (no respect for existing gun laws).

[Simple Minded]

just an addendum to the redneck comment: it's their biker gangs that are just as bad as the other groups. But the biker gangs have very sophisticated and hard to penetrate operations and usually offload any open mayhem to the black and Hispanic gangs to avoid the same amount of heat.

These people need to be broken up too.

You can have my motorcycle when you pry it from my cold dead hands!. YOU CYCLE-IST!

I think the NRA has really dropped the PR/ public education ball here. Very similar to the nuclear power industry.

Sure the Second Amendment argument is an easy one to make, it's the law, and by design, the Constitution is extremely difficult to modify.

I've long thought that the property rights argument, or the innocent until proven guilty argument just might reach more people, especially non-gun owners. Commercials talking about banning/restricting/regulating/monitoring cell phones and computers due to internet porn or cyber-bullying would reach a lot more people.

I think I have seen two NRA commercials in my life that I considered effective. One with a young white woman, one with an older black woman discussing their rationale of self-protecting as their reason for buying and owning a gun. Same rationale as buying insurance, a fire extinguisher, or putting locks on your doors.