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The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 27 Dec 2024 02:35
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
I'm not fully plugged into what's going on, as things have been busy, but social media has certainly erupted into some of the most racialist and hostile screeds I've seen in a long time.
Candidly, some of noddy's old asides about northern european racism being what is does come to mind here, and it's well represented with the 'smelly/cheating Indian' stereotypes. But it's more amusing to see the converse racialist invective of the pro-Indian side *cough, cough H1B indentured servitude* of the equation too and the shock people have; have they not interacted with certain Indian people before?
If there were ever a button that when pushed both "sides" could lose, this would be the time to use it.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 29 Dec 2024 23:27
by Miss_faucie_fishtits
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 31 Dec 2024 03:14
by Doc
Even a better solution:

Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 31 Dec 2024 17:23
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
Looks like we're gonna need more of those 'loser' buttons at this rate.
The schools as sorting mechanism got us into this mess; "Australian models" (yes, we need even more sky high real estate pricing) contributed to this mess; the stupid racialism is a poisonous bonus to the mess....
Has David Goldman seen Canada lately? The idea of vacuuming up more bourgeoise as policy is so offensive in so many aspects that we might as well have no policy at all.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 31 Dec 2024 19:34
by Miss_faucie_fishtits
I think David's point is yeah, we need to do the things but we don't have the time frame to do it on our schedule. Because we're so personal we don't see the larger issue beyond an immigrant getting a tech job instead of a native born citizen......
How much our global hegemony depends upon being the penultimate global power and global reserve currency is invisible to us, and we're going past our best use by date........
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 31 Dec 2024 23:10
by Doc
Bob Dylan credits his song writing ability to studying literature in Minnesota grade school.
"The fluid my friend is blowing in the wind. The Fluid is blowing in the wind"
https://www.thecollegefix.com/genderflu ... es-course/
‘In the Middle Ages there was no rational doubt that humans were created only male and female,’ one scholar responded
Boston University is offering a graduate-level “Medieval Trans Studies” course for the upcoming spring semester that explores how “medieval texts speak to the historical, theoretical, and political concerns that animate contemporary trans studies.”
The course has drawn criticism from scholars who argue that it reflects modern ideological biases rather than historical accuracy.
It considers “the deep histories of transgender embodiment” through an examination of texts stemming from the Middle Ages, according to the course description.
Students will read about “alchemical hermaphrodites, genderfluid angels, Ethiopian eunuchs, trans saints, sex workers, and genderqueer monks,” according to the university.
Adam Kissel, a fellow with the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Education Policy, told The College Fix via email, “It is a mistake for the course to misinterpret Medieval texts by indulging modern obsessions.”
He said it is permissible for universities to study how Medieval writers understood their fantasies regarding gender. However, BU’s course is “a distraction from better emphases.”
“In the Middle Ages there was no rational doubt that humans were created only male and female. The people knew that freaks of nature were abnormal,” Kissel said.
“Medieval studies resisted the woke turn in the humanities but eventually succumbed to it. The academic humanities need to be rebuilt from the ground up” as they “are largely self-indulgent activism,” he said.
MORE: I am formerly trans. Why won’t my college let me share my story?
Offering similar criticism, University of Chicago history Professor Rachel Fulton Brown told The College Fix she is not surprised that Boston University would implement a course of this nature. Brown explained the course’s title is likely “intended to get people’s attention.”
“[Sexuality is] degraded to the point…that we don’t take its intense power as seriously,” Brown said.
She said it would be “a great course” if it approached the topic of gender in Medieval times through the lens of Christian mysticism. Medieval monks were intimately devoted to God, understanding themselves as Christ’s brides, she told The Fix.
The course demonstrates how humanity has lost its sense of “being made in the image and likeness of God – and what that means,” she said.
“I think this course is a good symptom of the crisis that we’re in… Are we going to recognize ourselves as creatures of God or are we going to pretend that we are our own makers?” Brown said.
BU Professor Micah Goodrich will teach the course starting next academic semester. The school’s staff directory states that Goodrich’s scholarly interests include “the possibilities and presumed limits of the body’s transformative potential and capacity to self-create,” focusing on “trans studies” and “queer theory.”
Goodrich also has a personal blog in which he writes about “medieval literature, transgender studies, and the history of the body.” The blog states that Goodrich’s new course will show what “a medieval trans studies offer to contemporary trans studies and vice versa.”
The Fix reached out to Goodrich and the school’s media relations and English departments via email for comments on the upcoming course in the last two weeks but received no replies.
The university is also offering several other related courses including “Thinking Queerly,” “Sociology of Gender,” and “Queering Health.”
MORE: Boston University students must take writing class with ‘social justice emphasis’
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Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 02 Jan 2025 03:17
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
Miss_faucie_fishtits wrote: ↑31 Dec 2024 19:34
I think David's point is yeah, we need to do the things but we don't have the time frame to do it on our schedule. Because we're so personal we don't see the larger issue beyond an immigrant getting a tech job instead of a native born citizen......
How much our global hegemony depends upon being the penultimate global power and global reserve currency is invisible to us, and we're going past our best use by date........
Spengler's rationalization wasn't missed but his motives behind his reasoning are no less personal than anyone else's.
The big picture is that he's advocating for more of the status quo which created the problem to begin with because it is in the best interest to his personal or his peers' bottom line.
He's a gentleman who made the second half of his public career expounding on the theme of "when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." [opposing the surge; "it's not the end of the world, it's the end of you."] Yet, when it comes to something which could in the short term effect his 401k, it's "drill, baby, drill."
I don't even begrudge him for that; nor there are any pleasantly easy answers here. It's also patently absurd that everyone is unaware of that there are larger stakes and maneuvering as well but to what (and who's) ends?
Why should any countenance we import indentured servants for Elon Musk to abuse?
While it is never out of mind the nature of the business and talent needs, it's an absolute mathematical absurdity that a developed country with 300 million people is lacking, statistically, the people with the chops to do the jobs they require. A country with Germany's population wouldn't suffer such a need either. No matter how lousy or wonderful the culture is, the numbers become too great not for it to be anything but a red herring and misdirect (or a personal aside as this topic obviously attracts all sorts of reasonings and motives.)
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 03 Jan 2025 02:32
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
Not to single out Elon either. This is a broad problem where the human capital running Silicon Valley is poor to begin with. By chance&circumstance, maybe due the darker nature of those attracted to such professions; we have a lot of very misanthropic, ill-read and narrowly-educated fools running around in command of a lot of wealth and infrastructure. A number of them who are advocating the "tech bro" position (Paul Graham and Marc Anderssen come to mind for starters) have made plenty of public statements in the recent past that suggest they have less sympathy for others than a John Rockerfeller at the height of using the Pinkertons to crush labor.
It's one thing to respect the positions they've worked for and won; but it is another to accept that these people would 1. know what is in the interest of others. 2. actually care about what that is with any sense of esprit de corps.
In short, there is no reason for trust here.
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We're, and it's the world at this point, in a position where there is not enough people to support the status quo financial cycle. (It goes without saying that this has been a topic of great concern for David Goldman and many others for decades.)
So the 2 solutions are either to import the young OR export capital.
At least on paper those are the choices-- should we say excel spreadsheet at this point.
Of course, life is a much different thing. Not only is the world not set up to import all these imagined youths to prop up our financial formula textbooks, we may be heading towards in a unique position where we are not even controlling our capital leakage. So it's increasingly a situation where it's the worst of both worlds.
Of course exporting capital is the highly taboo part of the equation for reasons that aren't necessarily fair and square when talking about our toy hegemon.
I can't be the only person to see the humor in the greatest disciples of liberal economics, who believe in free trade, free movement of people always seem to leave out that last bit about free capital.
"Too outrageous my son, but let's get back to how those liberal economists who are skeptical of the free movement of people are hideous monsters."
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 03 Jan 2025 04:34
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
More grimly, what sort of hegemony are we benefiting from if our government is using servitude to entice our businessmen to invest in the United States?
The point of cheap labor from a servant class isn't even really the cheap labor part; it's an indemnity against the fortune and whims of the state itself. It's been that way as long as we've had written records. The 2 crowns of the Pharoah, at least in theory, are kept whole and exempted from the up and down whims of his court economics; what became the confederated states used servitude to remain a continuous and intelligible entity despite being a minority population of the land while in competition with imperial powers over material. As much as I dislike the catchall "wage slavery", cheap labor flooded American shores at the very dawn of the progressive era which saw the US positioning itself in direct competition with a Great Britain who could still threaten her legal & social order. Maybe opening up immigration again in the 60s after the Einsenhower/Kennedy administrations positioned itself as in direct competition with the soviets, who were to be treated as a destabilizing threat.
The obverse to this is that it suggests we are already at the point, if all things being equal, where our capitalists see no appreciable difference in betting on China over the US.
So yes, it's obvious that there are on paper benefits (and historic success) in tossing mass into the breach, and that America benefits if the one ring of Microsoft OS and Google et al. continue to dominate- especially in a business where so much of it is in the aether and impermanent.
But it is also clearly a cortisone shot like 'printing money' and 'tax cuts' which have more marginal returns every time it's injected for broad and vague purposes or done as reflex. Or is it supposed to escape notice that the 30 years of h1bs have been involved while this hegemony slipped?
And not only is it being proposed by people not worth any trust to deliver tangible results but also at a time when social capital is as spent as everything else and a whole political apparatus has already been constructed to use the influx as thoroughly as a political tool as an economic one.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 03 Jan 2025 21:38
by Miss_faucie_fishtits
".....‘In the Middle Ages there was no rational doubt that humans were created only male and female,’ one scholar responded....."
That's because when reference was made to
human back then, it was always in a social context. Human didn't exist outside of church or tribe. When we talk about human nowadays, it's all about me, myself and I.
Community becomes a costume for identity, we being NPC's and LARPers at the same time........
NapLajoieOnSteroids wrote:The big picture is that he's advocating for more of the status quo which created the problem to begin with because it is in the best interest to his personal or his peers' bottom line.
The status quo is that we value maintaining our global hegemony as the economic, technical and military power of the world
nonpareil. If the cost of that status is unacceptable to us, we may need to relent to a multipolar world or allowing a Chinese axis to take the lead. We need to get real with ourselves, in order to keep our values we may need to give up the prize. No more free lunch, no more free beers.......
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 15 Jan 2025 00:59
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
Miss_faucie_fishtits wrote: ↑03 Jan 2025 21:38
".....‘In the Middle Ages there was no rational doubt that humans were created only male and female,’ one scholar responded....."
That's because when reference was made to
human back then, it was always in a social context. Human didn't exist outside of church or tribe. When we talk about human nowadays, it's all about me, myself and I.
Community becomes a costume for identity, we being NPC's and LARPers at the same time........
NapLajoieOnSteroids wrote:The big picture is that he's advocating for more of the status quo which created the problem to begin with because it is in the best interest to his personal or his peers' bottom line.
The status quo is that we value maintaining our global hegemony as the economic, technical and military power of the world
nonpareil. If the cost of that status is unacceptable to us, we may need to relent to a multipolar world or allowing a Chinese axis to take the lead. We need to get real with ourselves, in order to keep our values we may need to give up the prize. No more free lunch, no more free beers.......
Spoken as if last three decades haven't informed us how much of this was a sales pitch that turned out to be collective delusions of grandeur.
Hegemony, as far as its a palpable thing, is not threated by China or any one else at the present. There is no dyad going on with a parallel system set up or about to be set up. Everyone is practicing the same planetary politics and that amounts to some combination of whatever social democratic/socialism/liberalism/capitalism collapsed with the rise and solidification of mass politics.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 15 Jan 2025 02:27
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
Of what utility has the polar analysis had for the United States since the fall of the Soviet Union?
All of this, the whole Kissinger Apparatus, is 99% marketing and public relations and does not engage with the worlds around us.
Sure, it was useful when the Cold War fight could be framed, in our favor, as a Pepsi vs Coca Cola market battle. It's only led us from one disastrous path to another post Bush père New World Order "one pole" victory speech- in hindsight the market equivalent of 'New Coke'.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 05 Mar 2025 06:41
by noddy
I believe the Trump presidency is actually the TechBro presidency.
He will bluster around, make noise, but the real revolution will be how intertwined big tech and government will end up once he has finished gutting the "deep state"
dont need IRS when you have credit card databases, dont need TLA agencies when you have google and apples records, dont need many many things.
notice how quiet the google/amazon/apple folks have been since this started, beyond this foolish slip of the tongue, now long forgotten.
you will get 2 indian software engineers for every mexican kicked out

they only crack down on illegal immigrants, not visa'd ones to improve US efficiency.
efficiency is corporate speak for "will work harder for less"
gut the schools, use the indian and chinese systems surplus of trained monkeys, its a winner of a plan, the US will be great again and the lazy white folks can join the indians in reserves.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 05 Mar 2025 16:25
by Nonc Hilaire
Noddy is correct. Trump is definitely the one chosen to install the international security state. I expect the clamp-down to roll out quickly.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 05 Mar 2025 23:34
by noddy
You are paying attention.
havent seen any right wing talking points about the evil tech giants in a while - they were coming thick and fast before the election.
I wonder why that is.
what happens when you gut the public service, how do those tasks get done ?
why is it Elon and Bezos in the thick of it all, how could you even put tech giants in charge of getting rid of getting rid of globalist tech giant conspiracy deep state.
why does that previous sentance read like gibberish no matter how many times I try and reword it!
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 06 Mar 2025 00:36
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
Wrong.
The next administration is being set up to be the Tech Bro administration. This is groundwork time.
There is an irony in President McKinley being one of Trump's favorite presidents for this reason.
The groundwork McKinley allowed, by all indications meant to be used differently, opened everything up for the progressive era-bros.
Teddy Roosevelt the *trust buster* happened to break up the monopolies in a most beneficial way for the rockerfellers and morgans of the world- freed up a lot of money for them that no longer had to be tied to illiquid assets.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 06 Mar 2025 02:40
by noddy
A semantic wrong perhaps but the outcome is the same.
Trump gets to be Trump - the big boys get to shuffle the money flows and power to suit the new arrangement.
and you are perfectly correct, they wont come out of the closet until the next election, where they will probably throw a bone or two to the lefties and consolidate their new structure.
Those pesky DEI laws based on employing locals and might have saved the mediocre middle class whites, it was most amusing indeed to see how fast the tech giants recognised the benefits of getting rid of them.
I dont say that lightly, we are all mediocre in a world that only needs the top 10% of the 'best' on a meritocracy based on willingness to work harder for less.
in the grand scheme of things, most probably would prefer russian/chinese freedom over the annoying western freedom anyway - a cold distant government you can ignore, and they will ignore you back.
it only gets messy if you have a political opinion , if you dont, then life is all yours.
their will be no hiding from the tech giants tho, you are transparent to them , or you dont exist.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 06 Mar 2025 03:53
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
Those laws weren't going to protect anyone from the meat grinder. *
And the reaction to them from a couple of CEOs is because the Biden administration finally forced it, full blast, on them and it turned into hiring a stream of activists who were trying to start struggle sessions against Mark Zuckerberg and agitate against Jeff Bezos. Wasn't so much fun when the deconstruction was directed their way.
*it is very unfortunate that I am not the right person to convey just how insane this stuff got over here in ways unappreciable by distant and bound to sound exaggerated or phony even coming from the right people.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 06 Mar 2025 05:57
by noddy
Oh I can accept all of that.
I can also say with utmost confidence (after the canada, uk and aus experience) is the crackdown on illegal immigration was the signal for the massive increase in legal immigration and posturing on global efficiency blah blah and need for more professional visas.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 06 Mar 2025 07:09
by NapLajoieOnSteroids
There is no doubt about that push (really was an instigator of this thread)
That was coming regardless.
The hope is that there are enough people in the administration to delay it as long as possible. The longer it's delayed, the harder it will be whip up support.
This isn't a new rodeo.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 06 Mar 2025 15:34
by Doc
H1B visas used to require an advanced college degree. Today if you have a skill someone is willing to pay the government $10,000 for, even if you don't have a high school degree, that is good enough to get an H1B.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 06 Mar 2025 16:58
by Doc
noddy wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025 23:34
You are paying attention.
havent seen any right wing talking points about the evil tech giants in a while - they were coming thick and fast before the election.
I wonder why that is.
what happens when you gut the public service, how do those tasks get done ?
What tasks are those? Completely turning a blind eye to the needs of the "rabble"?
Maui fire breaks out and a bureaucrat decides saving water is the ultimate "Greater Good" So thousands of home burn down. The survivors are given $700 each. But there is good news!! After 18 months the first building permits for rebuilding homes lost in the fire have been approved !! For a while the Hawaiian government thought that it would be necessary to condemn all the property and sell it off to developers. Imagine they worked out a way where the people that actually owned the property that their families had lived on for generations could continue to live there !! Those hard working government officials have made a miracle !!
Hurricane hits North Carolina and the Bureaucrats of the Federal Emergency Management Agency decide the "Greater Good" is to spend $59 Million dollars(plus billions more) to pay $700 a night for illegal Immigrants' hotel rooms in NYC, while giving $750 to those that lost their homes in the Hurricane. Plus those that were getting help paying for Hotel rooms are suddenly kicked out of the hotels because FEMA ran out of money. The survivors then have to literally live in tents in the middle of winter. Just an unfortunate side effect of Diversity Inclusion and Equity for the "Greater Good" But what could be done their hands were tied?
Then the fires in LA. Where the government lied about making firebreaks in the local brush and forests. Where the main reservoir of water was drained and left empty for 10 months because it had a leak and that could not be allowed as some water would seep into the ground. And getting it fix with a patch was a monumental task akin to a Moon Shot. SO as not to cause panic it was kept secret from the local fire depts that the main source of water to fight wild fires was empty. Imagine the riots and anger at local governments public meeting should the public know about it? The Mayor would have been there for the fires except she had an urgent assignment by the Biden Admin to go to Africa to represent the Biden Admin at a local festival. So it just could not be helped that the mayor was there while 10,000 homes burned. Apparently the Chief of the fire dept tricked her into going because she was angry that the Mayor cut the fire budget by millions so there was not money to pay overtime to the 1,000 firefighters that were sent home right before the fires started. Just like it cannot be helped that people whose homes burned will be arrested if they do not wait 18 months to go back to their properties or start to rebuild them. It is after all government doing its best for the "Greater Good"
why is it Elon and Bezos in the thick of it all, how could you even put tech giants in charge of getting rid of getting rid of globalist tech giant conspiracy deep state.
why does that previous sentance read like gibberish no matter how many times I try and reword it!
Jeff Bezos has nothing to do with this and everything to do with Trying to see Trump thrown in jail over made up charges in an attempt to keep Trump out of the White House. The same goes for Zuckerberg who spent $400 million illegally to stop Trump as well. Now they are looking for forgiveness from Trump to avoid criminal trials.
Now there is the question as to whether or not Trump will designate the WEF as a terrorist organization and start droning their meetings, or not. There is precedence for that. Obama was elected president because people were tired of all the wars and one of his first acts was to have the CIA drone a wedding in Pakistan killing a couple of hundred of people to kill a terrorist fly. SO the logical conclusion of Diversity Inclusion and Equity would be to blow up the WEF. As they have as much right to DIE in the war of terror as anyone else. I mean C'mon DIE was invented by the WEF !!
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 07 Mar 2025 09:20
by noddy
the american fire discourse is so painful, I need to avoid listening to it - reminds me of that phenomena during the world cup in which every drunk bastard knows advanced soccer strategies.
having fully read the thread now, I can muse the following.
"the australian solution" was so game-able it was a joke - industry standard wage is wildly variable, and as pointed out above , it wasnt about lack of local expertise, it was about importing people who work harder for less.
the average non upper class Indian grows up in a much more dog eat dog world, you can realy exploit their survival fears in ways you cant exploit a local middle class westerner.
the global world isnt going anywhere
- immigration will continue from shit spots to good spots, until the good spots are equally shit.
- wages will tend towards global average, with that being much lower than the average westerner would expect.
none of our politics is mature enough to handle that conversation, so its a one trip of retardation towards shit, from both sides of the fence.
Trump's america will be much like Putin's russia - be part of the in crowd in the large cities, or live wild and free in the empty spaces.
im sure nobody in Russia complains when an oligarch imports a bunch of cheap workers from asia, its just how it is.
Re: The Tech Bros Make Their Push for Unlimited Visas
Posted: 09 Mar 2025 04:42
by Doc
noddy wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025 09:20
the american fire discourse is so painful, I need to avoid listening to it - reminds me of that phenomena during the world cup in which every drunk bastard knows advanced soccer strategies.
having fully read the thread now, I can muse the following.
"the australian solution" was so game-able it was a joke - industry standard wage is wildly variable, and as pointed out above , it wasnt about lack of local expertise, it was about importing people who work harder for less.
the average non upper class Indian grows up in a much more dog eat dog world, you can realy exploit their survival fears in ways you cant exploit a local middle class westerner.
the global world isnt going anywhere
- immigration will continue from shit spots to good spots, until the good spots are equally shit.
- wages will tend towards global average, with that being much lower than the average westerner would expect.
none of our politics is mature enough to handle that conversation, so its a one trip of retardation towards shit, from both sides of the fence.
Trump's america will be much like Putin's russia - be part of the in crowd in the large cities, or live wild and free in the empty spaces.
im sure nobody in Russia complains when an oligarch imports a bunch of cheap workers from asia, its just how it is.
Government spending now accounts for 28% of the US economy. The complaint of Democrats seems to be "Government Graft is Good" "Wasteful spending is good." "People should be happy to pay for it" Their answer to Elon Musk:
