COVID-19 and Other Pandemics | Anarchy in the USA

[Nonc Hilaire]

In over two years there is still not a single published animal study on vaccine safety.

Has one never been attempted? I think it is part of the approval process.

It is more likely the studies were done but the results not publicly released. We will soon see now that Pfizer gas been ordered to release all documents.

Johnson&Johnson

Moderna

Pfizer and BionTech

Human trials which ran concurrently with the animal trials did so in part upon the previous animal testing which proved safe.

Thanks!

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

Rosa Parks. In an age of the return of Nazis we may all have to choose.

[Typhoon]

and everyone knows a vaccine injured person now, so I think your gaslighting won't work.

You keep saying this but it is simply not true, Typhoon has written that he has not seen in in his own life; I have not seen it here.

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To update. Anecdotally, all family, friends, acquaintances, and colleagues have now received their 2rd vaccination.

Nearly all who currently qualify have received their 3rd booster vaccination.

Still don't know of anyone who has been "vaccine injured".

i almost certainly was injured by the J&J vaccine

I was sorry read about your misfortune in the "News from Forum Participants" thread.
Again, my condolences. Hope that you have recovered.

My health insurance went up by $700 per month. With health care like this who needs maladies?

Wow. One gets the impression that the US health insurance system is an extortion racket.
If there is something that Americans should be protesting about, then this would seem to be it.

[Mr. Perfect]

I was sorry read about your misfortune in the "News from Forum Participants" thread.
Again, my condolences. Hope that you have recovered.

You should watch the vaccine injury I just posted in the last page or two. It's astonishing. I know so many now.

Wow. One gets the impression that the US health insurance system is an extortion racket.
If there is something that Americans should be protesting about, then this would seem to be it.

obamacare has failed.

[Mr. Perfect]

Looks like some of you missed this from before so this is what vaccine injury looks like. You can see it for yourself, and examine it. There are so many now.

Here you go, they captured a Pfizer injury on camera for you. This is what they look like.



Here is the follow up. Injection regret. Everyone knows someone like this now. Everyone knows a triple injected who has covid, and of course now there are millions of triple injected who actually caught covid themselves. Obviously you will lose trust in those narratives when that happens.

Booster rates are dropping because of it. The dishonesty.

[Brecher]

Mr P , If you think the courtesy of isolating yourself when sick is "nazi concetration camps" you are a toxic imbecile, i cant get my head around any other angle on that, cant be bothered pretending otherwise.

we have had normal vaccines, developed the same way as the flu ones for a while now, this is not about pfizer and the "experimental gene therapy" so why maintain the charade ?

I feel sorry for Claire Lehmann. She’s getting a lot of undeserved hatred from wingnuts in the USA.

Recently, she retweeted some good advice.

[Mr. Perfect]

South African goes after fascist Canadian, what does US have to do with it.

[noddy]

Mr P , If you think the courtesy of isolating yourself when sick is "nazi concetration camps" you are a toxic imbecile, i cant get my head around any other angle on that, cant be bothered pretending otherwise.

we have had normal vaccines, developed the same way as the flu ones for a while now, this is not about pfizer and the "experimental gene therapy" so why maintain the charade ?

I feel sorry for Claire Lehmann. She’s getting a lot of undeserved hatred from wingnuts in the USA.

Recently, she retweeted some good advice.

if only they were actually interested in the politics going on - its just a badly understood proxy for their own political desires.

Claire tries to maintain the old school centre right thing, which is the main target for both sides of the culture war, they both seem to be under the impression that the more you abuse people the more they will support their cause.

wouldnt surprise me in the least if many countries do build a wall around American social media opinions.

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Im prepared to make a loony paranoid prediction.

all the infrastructure for vaccine passports and certificates has been scaled so it can also be the backbone for real identities on the internet, very soon you will require that identity to have an opinion on the mass scale social media, and you will be held accountable for it as if you where having it in the real world.

public decency standards have quite a large amount of support from both sides of politics and the western middle class, its not going to be hard to push through.

[Doc]

and everyone knows a vaccine injured person now, so I think your gaslighting won't work.

You keep saying this but it is simply not true, Typhoon has written that he has not seen in in his own life; I have not seen it here.

. . .

To update. Anecdotally, all family, friends, acquaintances, and colleagues have now received their 2rd vaccination.

Nearly all who currently qualify have received their 3rd booster vaccination.gal

Still don't know of anyone who has been "vaccine injured".

i almost certainly was injured by the J&J vaccine

I was sorry read about your misfortune in the "News from Forum Participants" thread.
Again, my condolences. Hope that you have recovered.

THanks. Things are too bad here numbness in my left side. Muscle contraction to the point even though I am right handed th emuscle in my left arm are now noticbly laarger. Plus stiffness if a sit or lay in bed too long.

My health insurance went up by $700 per month. With health care like this who needs maladies?

Wow. One gets the impression that the US health insurance system is an extortion racket.
If there is something that Americans should be protesting about, then this would seem to be it.

From my personal experience they are Psychopaths IN 2000 health insurance became so expensive for small employers that they were contracting with Temp agencies that for $2 per hour per employee would provide payroll for mall employers, The way small employer could get the discounts of a lrge droup plan. THe insurance agencies hated it and successfully lobbied the state legislature to make the practice illegal

I could write a book on examples like this I have seen

[Mr. Perfect]

Bonkers Billy talking out of both sides of his mouth again, scoring on his own goal. CS, noddy and napster really picked the wrong team.

This is why people aren't getting a 3rd shot, let alone a 4th or however many they have coming.

[Brecher]

I’m prepared to make a loony paranoid prediction.

all the infrastructure for vaccine passports and certificates has been scaled so it can also be the backbone for real identities on the internet, very soon you will require that identity to have an opinion on the mass scale social media, and you will be held accountable for it as if you where having it in the real world.

public decency standards have quite a large amount of support from both sides of politics and the western middle class, its not going to be hard to push through.

I hope that you’re wrong; but I suspect that you’re right. There has been more and more surveillance of the population since 9-11. We’re losing more and more privacy. We seem to be going down the road of China’s “social credit” system. And people aren’t pushing back. On the contrary, they’re paying to place Google and Amazon surveillance devices around their homes.

Here’s another paranoid prediction: with anti-vaccine sentiment so strong in much of the population, fewer people will get vaccines for polio, tetanus, measles, etc, and we’ll see those diseases return with a vengeance.

[noddy]

My health insurance went up by $700 per month. With health care like this who needs maladies?

Wow. One gets the impression that the US health insurance system is an extortion racket.
If there is something that Americans should be protesting about, then this would seem to be it.

my health insurance costs 700 USD per year and I grumble about it and look for reductions.

[noddy]

I’m prepared to make a loony paranoid prediction.

all the infrastructure for vaccine passports and certificates has been scaled so it can also be the backbone for real identities on the internet, very soon you will require that identity to have an opinion on the mass scale social media, and you will be held accountable for it as if you where having it in the real world.

public decency standards have quite a large amount of support from both sides of politics and the western middle class, its not going to be hard to push through.

I hope that you’re wrong; but I suspect that you’re right. There has been more and more surveillance of the population since 9-11. We’re losing more and more privacy. We seem to be going down the road of China’s “social credit” system. And people aren’t pushing back. On the contrary, they’re paying to place Google and Amazon surveillance devices around their homes.

all that infrastructure cant be left doing nothing once covid has gone.

Ive never really bought into the western freedom nonsense, middle class westerners are just as insecure and demanding of comfortable conformity as asian ones.

the right to be abused, as per the american right definitions, doesnt really have much traction from what ive seen.

Here’s another paranoid prediction: with anti-vaccine sentiment so strong in much of the population, fewer people will get vaccines for polio, tetanus, measles, etc, and we’ll see those diseases return with a vengeance.

garunteed - it had already started before covid , many diseases are re-emering amongst the hippy healthnut lefty areas and the gym bro right arent far behind.

[noddy]

Bonkers Billy talking out of both sides of his mouth again, scoring on his own goal. CS, noddy and napster really picked the wrong team.

This is why people aren't getting a 3rd shot, let alone a 4th or however many they have coming.

find a single post over the last 10 years in which I expressed interest in billy gates opinion, and Ill answer this question .

its constantly perplexing why personality politics around mr gates, or whatever , is brought up, they just arent relevant.

[Mr. Perfect]

my health insurance costs 700 USD per year and I grumble about it and look for reductions.

You also pay in taxes. That's the problem with socialism, it makes you blind.

You are blind about a lot of things

[Mr. Perfect]

find a single post over the last 10 years in which I expressed interest in billy gates opinion, and Ill answer this question .

its constantly perplexing why personality politics around mr gates, or whatever , is brought up, they just arent relevant.

It's just irony that he's the messenger, the content is what matters. Even Bonkers Billy understands that the injections are garbage and the the establishment response was $#!t. It won't be long before you will acknowledge it too.

Then you guys will have all the fascism to answer for.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Bill Gates: if you think of him, he's for you.

[noddy]

my health insurance costs 700 USD per year and I grumble about it and look for reductions.

You also pay in taxes. That's the problem with socialism, it makes you blind.

You are blind about a lot of things

im fully aware of my tax rate and what its spent on, no blindness.

i wish you could do maths, it would make the conversation more interesting, the 700 usd a year is my direct tax burden - their is a secondary indirect amount that also comes from export taxes and GST and other such things.

you also pay taxes, pretty much the same amount as i do, have you considered what you get for it ?

The per capita health spending in the U.S. is over $9,000. In Australia, it’s under $5,000.

I dont have 4k of corporate bullshit in my bill, your system has corporate welfare tax in it, which mine doesnt, thats the problem with libertarians, their brains go to jelly when its corporate exploitation.

[noddy]

find a single post over the last 10 years in which I expressed interest in billy gates opinion, and Ill answer this question .

its constantly perplexing why personality politics around mr gates, or whatever , is brought up, they just arent relevant.

It's just irony that he's the messenger, the content is what matters. Even Bonkers Billy understands that the injections are garbage and the the establishment response was $#!t. It won't be long before you will acknowledge it too.

Then you guys will have all the fascism to answer for.

once again you suffer from not reading the article

billy is angry not enough vaxx got out fast enough and it was left to a lucky break on the disease to lower the death rate for so many unlucky unvaxxed.

i will have no fascism to answer for, i live in the middle of nowhere and vote for the most freedom option possible, it would be difficult to be less involved in the problems of the modern urban class than me. I live a charmed life, minimal covid restrictions, quiet neighbours a few acres away, fresh food and fresh beer at my finger tips. The kings of history lived worse than me up until very recently.

not sure about the globalist corporate types who hysterically compare themselves to jews in ww2 and threaten everyone with guns, they probably need an eye kept on them.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Avg. monthly private insurance costs:

[noddy]

Thanks.

thats for extra private ON TOP of your compulsory $700 a year for public - i personally dont bother with it, if i die in the public waiting list, Ill die.

my work covers me for injuries during the working week.

Hardly the world of 700 a month *increases*.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

No, that's not a 1000--- the above prices are monthly

So it's more like an annual 3500 dollar bill for the average joe.

About two thousand cheaper than the states

but that's not the whole story-- the variety between american states is greater than that australian map.

For example, the average lowest rung plans in a number of states are the equivalent of australia.

And then the longer waiting times, especially in emergencies, does become a factor.

[noddy]

No, that's not a 1000--- the above prices are monthly

So it's like a 3500 dollar bill for the year

yeh i misread that bit - corrected. I dont do private, dont see the point when our public catches most things you can be cured of easily.

some of the nastier cancers I will die of before treatment, when private wont - but alot of those die anyway and the out of pocket costs are high either way - which is why I dont bother.

About two thousand cheaper than the states

but that's not the whole story-- the variety between american states is greater than that australian map.

For example, the average lowest rung plans in a number of states are the equivalent or cheaper than any in australia.

the base line for australia is the 700 a year one, which if you earn less than 20 something thousand year, you dont have to pay.

so, 70 a month unless you are working poor.

[noddy]

Ironically, the valid criticism of our system is the opposite of what the American right thinks it is.

stingy tax payers want a bare minimum system with zero fat in it, so thats what we have. It costs as little as it can cost before the statistics on death rates get out of hand. Its perfectly tuned for the typical year of typical problems.

which is why we had problems with the covid response, their arent any spare hospital beds.

And then the longer waiting times, especially in emergencies, does become a factor.

emergency wait times are not affected by insurance level over here - everyone is treated the same when they get dropped off.

private folks get better follow up and better management of long term problems.