Ukraine

[Heracleum Persicum]

[Mod note. This thread is about the Russian invasion of and war in Ukraine. Irrelevant whataboutism will be summarily deleted.]

[Typhoon]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/rmzJr1oUjKg

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[Typhoon]

You can have your head in the sand but the ukrainians themselves view it as a genocide and even


Are the Ukrainians lying about how they view it? Lemkin doesn't know what he's talking about?

And the only reason it gets disputed at all is because of the bad conscience of a lot of actors who either held up, or were taught by people who held up, the soviets as purveyors of all that is virtuous in this world.

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If we want to argue that genocide, however well-intentioned, is a mostly nonsense concept, picked up as a cudgel because of its utility and too often used willy-nilly; I won't argue with that.

Neither would I argue against the British or Americans or whoever you want to put in there for X, Y & Z.

But we can't say "these are the rules of the game" then Russia gets some sort of double secret handshake provision where what they did doesn't ever really count.

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NapLajoieonSteroids , Völkermord , in english Genocide, is an 1000 yr old legally defined term, defined also by UN.


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkermord


With all due respect to Ukrainian victims, but what Ukranian themselves say does not change the fact that "Völkermord" is "deliberate intention" to kill a nation, ethnic .. must have the intention to deliberately kill

Communist, Bolsheviks, they thought their economic, social policies will work for the better of people, they were mistaken .. and in the process many people died .. that is no Völkermord.

Same think happened with MAO in China .. millions died in hunger etc in the "great march" .. neither was this Völkermord

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What you say validates my point about Western view

We see this now with Western confrontation with China and now Russia

The "elite", "authorities" have closed down all info flow from the other side , RT is outlawed, uTube does not allow Russian posts , etc etc

This leads public to not know what really the issues are and who right who wrong.

That a mistake .. West is not too weak for an intelligent debate in this confrontation, Western Joe must not be kept uninformed

I posted "The Truth About Lying in International Politics with John Mearsheimer" .. explains why keeping Joe in dark backfires down the road

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPe5f5dcrGE&t=1235s

Mearsheimer explains how lying to public to make a case to attack Iraq was a mistake now agreed

We might know again in 10 yrs that same happening now

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Abject nonsense.

Denying that the Holodomor occurred and that surviving Ukranians are lying is no different than denying that the Holocaust occurred and the the surviving Jews are lying.

Both are genocides.

And Iranian and Muslim civilization, in general, has not made a significant contribution to civilization since about the 13th century.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Abject nonsense.

Denying that the Holodomor occurred and that surviving Ukrainians are lying is no different than denying that the Holocaust occurred and the the surviving Jews are lying.

Both are genocides.

And Iranian and Muslim civilization, in general, has not made a significant contribution to civilization since about the 13th century.

Abject nonsense.


Nobody saying "surviving Ukrainians are lying" .. but it was not "deliberate and intentional" to kill a nation .. that is the definition of genocide

Nobody is denying too Europeans killed Jews and Holocaust .. what I said is nobody, even mentions Brits deliberately and intentionally doing that 1914 Iranian feminine genocide killing 10 m Iranians half of population


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[Heracleum Persicum]

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finally

Biden : Times have shifted, "New World Order" coming.




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[Heracleum Persicum]

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https://youtu.be/h8C-YfDOqx4?t=11


Bravo , Bravo


Canadians much better informed

[Doc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igq2fqa7RY4
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[Heracleum Persicum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igq2fqa7RY4
Igq2fqa7RY4

.. true

[Heracleum Persicum]

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https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -world-why


https://www.aninews.in/news/world/other ... 314090527/


https://www.reuters.com/world/saudi-cro ... 022-03-03/


https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-m ... wsj-2022-3


Unbelievable how world changed in less than a year


Remember Trump told to King Salmon face without US support he would not last a week ? I think Trump also said to the poor King he should learn Farsi

Now Arabs singing

Russia could Arrange an Arab-Iran "rapprochement" .. looks like it

Israel now pissed off West signing on the dotted line with the mad mullahs .. 30% of Israeli are Russian immigree (wink wink)

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[Doc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igq2fqa7RY4
Igq2fqa7RY4

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America already knew this HP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5A_pLLh1bo

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[Heracleum Persicum]

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https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -world-why


https://www.aninews.in/news/world/other ... 314090527/


https://www.reuters.com/world/saudi-cro ... 022-03-03/


https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-m ... wsj-2022-3


Unbelievable how world changed in less than a year


Remember Trump told to King Salmon face without US support he would not last a week ? I think Trump also said to the poor King he should learn Farsi

Now Arabs singing

Russia could Arrange an Arab-Iran "rapprochement" .. looks like it

Israel now pissed off West signing on the dotted line with the mad mullahs .. 30% of Israeli are Russian immigree (wink wink)

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Islamic nations not in Western camp re Ukraine .. they in China & Russia camp



https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-03-22/C ... index.html

Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi speaks at the 48th session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in Islamabad, capital of Pakistan, March 22, 2022. /Chinese Foreign Ministry

and compare this to "Senior Advisor to the President of the United States" Ivanka (and husband) in KSA


Well, when was last time US secretary of State spoke in OIC, ever ? ?

Wang Yi on Tuesday called on China and Islamic countries to firmly support each other in taking development paths in line with their own national conditions and in safeguarding the legitimate rights and interests of developing countries.

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Noting Chinese civilization and Islamic civilization are both ancient civilizations with significant global influence, the Chinese foreign minister said bilateral friendly exchanges with a deep historical background and a solid public foundation have withstood changes in the international landscape.

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He added China and the Islamic world have found a way for civilizations to live together in friendship and win-win cooperation, setting a good example of fostering a new type of international relations, and providing useful experience on how different countries and civilizations should interact.

Well, guys, all Muslim states in bed with China and you guys worry about Uyghur



Arrogance ruined America .. American chapter closed in islamic countries

America's only hope is Iran

Iran neither Arab nor Muslim

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[Mr. Perfect]

Lololololololol

[Mr. Perfect]

culturally we do seem to be in a period that its fashionable to put your testicles inside your pants and not make a big deal of them, this is true.

i believe its a reaction to your group walking around with them out in your hands, constantly fondling them.

Hmmm, this is the current metrosexual response to the issue. Ymix was an early proponent of this view on this board.

Let's put this idea to the test.

1. Why don't you cut yours off, wander around for awhile and see what it's like. Get back to us with results.

No? You're not going to do that? Tell me why that is.

2. You can raise a testicle free army of women and trans, wander over there with 2 million strong independent women, teach Putin a thing or two and let us know how it goes.

No? Not gonna do that either? No demand for a testicle free army? I see all over the liberal internet a call for some reason to send millions of 18-28 yr old white males to get on over there and do what they won't do. Lots of testicle lovers without realizing it. Also military is 75% Trump voters.

So tell my why that is. No one is calling for a testicle free army. Let me know your thoughts.

.. at this stage Im not quite prepared to declare Europe a ball less zone just because they have leadership which wants that , their isnt much history to support the idea of a pacifist European.

They already did it bruh. You are living in a long forgotten past. This current west actually literally and physically castrates their own soldiers. I linked that earlier.

[Mr. Perfect]

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finally

Biden : Times have shifted, "New World Order" coming.




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Thanks to Biden and castrated left, US/West will not be leading anything.

[Heracleum Persicum]

noddy, looking at Western progress last 120 yrs, one can see that all those things you mention, "highest standard in the world in all science and art fields", West was going "sideways until West opened the door to the world .. to Chinese , to Indians, to Iranians , to Russians etc

This is too funny for words, reversing cause and effect.

Such immigrants came to the West as refugees from persecution and / or individuals in search of opportunities available in the West but lacking back in their home nations.

The one group that did have a profound and completely disproportionate positive impact on US science in the postwar era was Jewish refugees from Europe, starting with Einstein, and their descendants.

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can not stop laughing

All those foreign MIT and Caltech top Iranian faculty head of top universities came to US as refugee escaping persecution

Shows illiteracy of who those foreign scientist are

The reality is this :

US has the worst public education in world , probably worse than Bangladesh .. graduates can neither read nor write , let alone multiply two numbers.

Idea was and still is, American can buy the best talent, the top graduates from poorer country, India, Iran, China, Russia etc etc .. so, why WAIST money education in public schools .. the rich can go to private school, although the level of education in most private school not comparable with European public schools

Meaning, those foreign scientist in America, America calls them American scientist, they did not come as refugee, they were "bought", invited in

Iranian graduates from Sharif University, and top top talent, get a "O-1 nonimmigrant visa" before even setting a foot in US .. and .. after arrival and in Stanford or MIT, they soon called American scientist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Ronaghi

He chief technologist of Illumina , invented the machine for " DNA sequencing " .. Illumina (ILMN) machines made Pfizer mRNA vaccine possible

Now, with anti foreign sentiment, and things improving at home, many of those scientist go back home or do not come over.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbZEYAQpwZs


Russia just said will use nuclear weapon if needed

fasten your seat belts

[Mr. Perfect]

For example, western leftists so fixated on castration they can no longer tell the difference between girls and boys. Openly.

This has cultural, political and policy impact. Castration makes one unfit for warfare, among many other things.

You guys bet on the wrong bunch. They will not protect you.

[Mr. Perfect]

lololololol keep it simple folks. For those of you struggling to understand, Putin is winning.

[noddy]

For example, western leftists so fixated on castration they can no longer tell the difference between girls and boys. Openly.

This has cultural, political and policy impact. Castration makes one unfit for warfare, among many other things.

You guys bet on the wrong bunch. They will not protect you.

so did they get to the bottom of this ?

probe the nooks and crannies for details ?

any protuberant clues to be found ?

[Heracleum Persicum]

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https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-23/


https://www.rt.com/business/552546-puti ... ssian-gas/


In a week, all Oil and Gas purchases from Russia must be paid with Rubble

“I have decided to implement in the shortest possible time a set of measures to change the payments for – yes let’s start with this – for our natural gas supplied to the so-called unfriendly countries in Russian rubles, that is to stop using all compromised currencies for transactions,” the Russian president said.

"It doesn't make sense to deliver our goods to the EU and the US and get paid in dollars and euros," he added.

Putin gave the Central Bank and the government a week to determine the procedure for operations for buying rubles on the domestic market for importers of Russian gas.

Oil exporting countries , ZERO doubt, soon will not accept Dollar, later maybe not even Euro

The president explained that Russia plans to abandon all “compromised” currencies in payment settlements. He added that illegitimate decisions by a number of Western countries to freeze Russia’s assets destroyed all confidence in their currencies.

Either their own currency , or , GOLD

That means, those importing Oil and Gas , must buy Rubble, Iranian Rial, Saudi riyal from the Central Banks of oil & Gas exporting country's

That will weaken Dollar and Euro .. and .. strengthen oil exporting country currencies

No matter what, Dollar's day numbered



Euro and Dollar become "worthless" as long as they must be in US federal reserve or in European central bank and can be frozen .. makes them worthless

That is what Iranian Ayatollahs saying since long time ..

Trust like virginity, once lost lost forever

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Question now arises , US no dummy , they know all this ruins confidence in Dollar, and Dollar can lose value dramatically

US knows this

It might be US WANTS that dollar collapses, thinking most dollars held by "foreigners" , China, Japan, German, Arabs .. they would be the biggest losers .. for Americans it would be good as American have no dollars and their assets would appreciate, better for export, bad for imports (China and Europe)

Or

US could say, Dollars held by foreigners can only buy "certain" asset and goods .. am sure this also the plan

Meaning, high risk holding any US Dollar

[Heracleum Persicum]

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If Qatar now not vote with West in UN , or even votes with Russia , Qatari $$ and Euro accounts with trillion Dollars and Euros in danger of being frozen.

Now, every big exporting nation might ask no $$ and no Euro, as $$ in FED , and EURO in ECB , in reality "hostage" .. meaning .. limiting sovereign decisions making in economic or political.

Irony is, mad mullahs were saying this last 40 yrs, when West had frozen $ 100 B Iranian money, but mad mullahs had no power to change things.

Putin has the power to change this .. sort of "Mullah's revenge" ..


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[Heracleum Persicum]

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Inside Putin’s circle — the real Russian elite


https://www.ft.com/content/503fb110-f91 ... 09582dd007

[Mr. Perfect]

How are the sanctions working out guys.

[Heracleum Persicum]

How are the sanctions working out guys.

That will cut both ways, MP, both ways

[noddy]