Ukraine

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Persia was overrun by Alexander the great, Arabs, Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes

Genghis Khan massacred entire cities, killing millions .. he encircled cities, demanded surrounder, if not, he massacred whole city.

"Alexander the great , Arabs , Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes" and many others , they no more .. BUT .. Persia still standing

Secret was, still is, when strong wind blowing over wheat fields, wheat bends, rising again on sunny day.

Ukraine should shake hand with Russia, forget Europe and NATO, build up the economy and the country again, get strong, and, later find arrangement with Russians for Ukraine rapprochement with Europe.

The way now, Ukraine will be particient, destroyed, big human and economic sacrifice for no reason

It was "foolish" to believe in "Victoria Nuland" .. better cut damage when still possible

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https://www.jpost.com/international/article-703933

"I do not want French people to face the (cost of living) consequences of decisions aiming to stop the imports of oil and gas," said Le Pen on France Inter radio.

Le Pen over the last years had expressed her admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin and said France should be "equidistant" between Russia and the US.

In 2017, when Macron defeated Le Pen in their first runoff vote, Ukraine indicated it would bar Le Pen from entering the country after she had appeared to legitimize Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

"It's a different subject, it wasn't done in a military way," Le Pen said in the interview. "International rules were not respected in Iraq either."

Le Pen justified her previous support of Putin, as with former US President Donald Trump, on what she called their push for a return to a "multi-polar" world.

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It was "foolish" to believe in "Victoria Nuland"

Yes... people in position are posers

[noddy]

This world war is not about tribalism.

It is about preserving individual freedom and returning governments to their proper status as servants of the individuals.

I dont see that at all.

we got globalist authoritarians versus nationalist authoritarians, individual freedom isnt on anyones lips, not in rhetoric nor action.

these are times of massive change - nobody will risk "them" .. you need to be "us" or "we" dont trust you in this chaos.

Trump might have been big on such talk - but none of the European or Asian versions will be,

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https://www.politico.com/newsletters/gl ... g-00024373

Yes, Russia is still winning


Moscow’s monthly gas export receipts have tripled from a year ago; Marine Le Pen leads a Russian-sympathizing political bloc that is within reach of the French presidency; and from today, Western leaders will once again start arriving in Moscow to court President Vladimir Putin into a Ukraine settlement.

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Marine Le Pen is the closest she has been to the French presidency: She scored her highest first-round presidential vote total Sunday, leading a solid far-right bloc that counts one-third of French voters as support.

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Persia was overrun by Alexander the great, Arabs, Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes

Genghis Khan massacred entire cities, killing millions .. he encircled cities, demanded surrounder, if not, he massacred whole city.

"Alexander the great , Arabs , Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes" and many others , they no more .. BUT .. Persia still standing

Secret was, still is, when strong wind blowing over wheat fields, wheat bends, rising again on sunny day.

yeh, the history of Iran is like the history of the UK - thousands of years of being on the wrong side of someone elses empires.

then out of nowhere, the spanish lose most of their fleet, and Elizabeth 1 wakes up the most powerful person on the planet and all sorts of payback happens.

empire is coming!

when the Chinese and Europeans crash and burn of course, whenever that happens.

[Parodite]

This world war is not about tribalism.

It is about preserving individual freedom and returning governments to their proper status as servants of the individuals.

The way I (came to) see it, is that wherever and whenever societies either glorify or deny tribalism as their biological and hardwired core.. all hell breaks loose. In glorification you get all the nasty conflicts known in history. In denial you get the EU, wokism, technocrat autism and all kinds of other mental illness posing is wisdom.

So it is ALL about tribalism. How to come to terms with it without glorifying it or denying it.

[Nonc Hilaire]

This world war is not about tribalism.

It is about preserving individual freedom and returning governments to their proper status as servants of the individuals.

The way I (came to) see it, is that wherever and whenever societies either glorify or deny tribalism as their biological and hardwired core.. all hell breaks loose. In glorification you get all the nasty conflicts known in history. In denial you get the EU, wokism, technocrat autism and all kinds of other mental illness posing is wisdom.

So it is ALL about tribalism. How to come to terms with it without glorifying it or denying it.

I see that. We were using different definitions of tribalism.

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Persia was overrun by Alexander the great, Arabs, Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes

Genghis Khan massacred entire cities, killing millions .. he encircled cities, demanded surrounder, if not, he massacred whole city.

"Alexander the great , Arabs , Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes" and many others , they no more .. BUT .. Persia still standing

Secret was, still is, when strong wind blowing over wheat fields, wheat bends, rising again on sunny day.

yeh, the history of Iran is like the history of the UK - thousands of years of being on the wrong side of someone elses empires.

then out of nowhere, the spanish lose most of their fleet, and Elizabeth 1 wakes up the most powerful person on the planet and all sorts of payback happens.

empire is coming!

when the Chinese and Europeans crash and burn of course, whenever that happens.

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Yes

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Persia was overrun by Alexander the great, Arabs, Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes

Genghis Khan massacred entire cities, killing millions .. he encircled cities, demanded surrounder, if not, he massacred whole city.

"Alexander the great , Arabs , Genghis Khan, Turkish tribes" and many others , they no more .. BUT .. Persia still standing

Secret was, still is, when strong wind blowing over wheat fields, wheat bends, rising again on sunny day.

yeh, the history of Iran is like the history of the UK - thousands of years of being on the wrong side of someone elses empires.

then out of nowhere, the spanish lose most of their fleet, and Elizabeth 1 wakes up the most powerful person on the planet and all sorts of payback happens.

empire is coming!

when the Chinese and Europeans crash and burn of course, whenever that happens.

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Yes

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Any day now . . .

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Yahoooooooooooo






Marine Le Pen wants to withdraw France from NATO if she gets the country’s top job

And will change France foreign policy drastically


Marine Le Pen expresses European street sentiment .. that is how now Europeans think .. they thinking US screwing Europe to weaken European economic competition in coming new world order which is 90% based on "economic power"

That is how Europeans now think

This will now show in all European coming elections

Present politicians are warned this is come next election .. they better already act now

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https://www.rt.com/news/553829-french-c ... tion-nato/

Marine Le Pen has pledged, if she wins the election, to withdraw the country from NATO’s Integrated Military Command and to work on “strategic rapprochement” between the alliance and Russia.

During a press conference on Wednesday, the far-right National Rally candidate who in the past voiced support for leaving NATO, clarified her current position on France’s membership in the alliance.

Saying that she would like “to dispel any misunderstanding,” Le Pen explained that her intention was to return to France’s policy between 1966 and 2009, when France was not involved in NATO’s military affairs but remained a part of its political structure. The presidential candidate pre-empted the likely criticism of her statements, saying that such a stance on NATO membership would “in no way” mean “a submission to Moscow” but rather would allow her not to place French-armed forces or weapons under any foreign command, whether NATO’s one or a future European entity.

“I will therefore propose to leave not NATO, but its integrated command, as was the case from 1966 to 2009,” she said.

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Austrian chancellor says Hungary, Germany, and others oppose energy embargo, as it would hurt them more than Moscow

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3 ) Human rights .. any Genocide in Russian history ?

HP, you're pulling our leg.

Just in the soviet period we had the mass starvation of the ukraine-- the holomodor -- 10 million people dead by artificial starvation, used by stalin to crush the independence movement.

Then there was the ethnic cleansing deportation projects, the tartars are quite adamant that their forced removal from their homelands was an act of genocide.

Russification was not any cuddlier than Westernization or Sinicization.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/pre ... adquarters


Press Conference by Secretary-General António Guterres at United Nations Headquarters

“Genocide is strictly defined in international law. And for the UN, we rely on final legal determination by appropriate judicial bodies,” Guterres responded.

It is extremely bad to "twist" what a genocide is .. that diminishes the real Genocides.

Genocide is not killing innocents, neither killing civilians.


"Völkermord", in english genocide, is "deliberate intention" to kill a nation, ethnic .. must have the intention to deliberately kill

Biden throwing half cooled Genocide, War Criminal etc no good .
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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

3 ) Human rights .. any Genocide in Russian history ?

HP, you're pulling our leg.

Just in the soviet period we had the mass starvation of the ukraine-- the holomodor -- 10 million people dead by artificial starvation, used by stalin to crush the independence movement.

Then there was the ethnic cleansing deportation projects, the tartars are quite adamant that their forced removal from their homelands was an act of genocide.

Russification was not any cuddlier than Westernization or Sinicization.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/pre ... adquarters


Press Conference by Secretary-General António Guterres at United Nations Headquarters

“Genocide is strictly defined in international law. And for the UN, we rely on final legal determination by appropriate judicial bodies,” Guterres responded.

It is extremely bad to "twist" what a genocide is .. that diminishes the real Genocides.

Genocide is not killing innocents, neither killing civilians.


"Völkermord", in english genocide, is "deliberate intention" to kill a nation, ethnic .. must have the intention to deliberately kill

Biden throwing half cooled Genocide, War Criminal etc no good .
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President Biden's mouth and the Secretary-General hasn't a whit to do with past atrocities, your very question was "any genocides in Russian history?" [its even nested in the quotations above this], and the answer is very much affirmative-- a big neon sign flashing, "YES".

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3 ) Human rights .. any Genocide in Russian history ?

HP, you're pulling our leg.

Just in the soviet period we had the mass starvation of the ukraine-- the holomodor -- 10 million people dead by artificial starvation, used by stalin to crush the independence movement.

Then there was the ethnic cleansing deportation projects, the tartars are quite adamant that their forced removal from their homelands was an act of genocide.

Russification was not any cuddlier than Westernization or Sinicization.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/pre ... adquarters


Press Conference by Secretary-General António Guterres at United Nations Headquarters

“Genocide is strictly defined in international law. And for the UN, we rely on final legal determination by appropriate judicial bodies,” Guterres responded.

It is extremely bad to "twist" what a genocide is .. that diminishes the real Genocides.

Genocide is not killing innocents, neither killing civilians.

"Völkermord", in english genocide, is "deliberate intention" to kill a nation, ethnic .. must have the intention to deliberately kill

Biden throwing half cooled Genocide, War Criminal etc no good .
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Such feeble attempts at sophistry are not going to convince anyone.

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Pls post reputable link showing Russians killed anybody during the Soviet-Russia occupations .. pls post

Ukraine | Executed Renaissance

Ukraine | Holomodor

Poland | Katyn Massacre

Baltics | Soviet repression and deportations in the Baltic states

Hungarian Revolution - 1956

Prague Spring - 1968

Soveit-Russian war crimes in Afghanistan

Summary.

Soviet-Russian war crimes

to which one may add

[Post Soviet-Russia] Russian war crimes

No one, notably Ukraine, wants to be "Russian".

[Typhoon]

The Grauniad | Finland and Sweden take major step towards joining NATO

‘Whole security landscape’ changed with Russian invasion of Ukraine, say leaders at joint press conference

Finland and Sweden took a major step towards joining Nato on Wednesday, after their prime ministers said Russia’s invasion of Ukraine had changed Europe’s “whole security landscape” and “dramatically shaped mindsets” in the Nordic countries.

The Finnish prime minister, Sanna Marin, said on Wednesday that her country, which shares a 1,300km (810-mile) border with Russia, would decide whether to apply to join the alliance “quite fast, in weeks not months”, despite the risk of infuriating Moscow.

Putin, not just a genocidal killer, but a brilliant geopolitical strategist as well.

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3 ) Human rights .. any Genocide in Russian history ?

HP, you're pulling our leg.

Just in the soviet period we had the mass starvation of the ukraine-- the holomodor -- 10 million people dead by artificial starvation, used by stalin to crush the independence movement.

Then there was the ethnic cleansing deportation projects, the tartars are quite adamant that their forced removal from their homelands was an act of genocide.

Russification was not any cuddlier than Westernization or Sinicization.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/pre ... adquarters


Press Conference by Secretary-General António Guterres at United Nations Headquarters

“Genocide is strictly defined in international law. And for the UN, we rely on final legal determination by appropriate judicial bodies,” Guterres responded.

It is extremely bad to "twist" what a genocide is .. that diminishes the real Genocides.

Genocide is not killing innocents, neither killing civilians.


"Völkermord", in english genocide, is "deliberate intention" to kill a nation, ethnic .. must have the intention to deliberately kill

Biden throwing half cooled Genocide, War Criminal etc no good .
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President Biden's mouth and the Secretary-General hasn't a whit to do with past atrocities, your very question was "any genocides in Russian history?" [its even nested in the quotations above this], and the answer is very much affirmative-- a big neon sign flashing, "YES".

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NapLajoieonSteroids, in post WW2 Western culture, a lot of expressions are, intentionally , being "diluted", being watered down.

For political reason

Slavery .. Genocide .. War Crimes .. Human Right and some others

Slavery is not not paying for labour, slavery is not confine people and make them work for fee.

Slavery is a "legal" status.

Slaves are, legally, in case of when you have a case in court, a "chattel" .. same as a horse, a cattle, or a table or bike or a cat .. legally, Slaves are not classified as human being

Meaning if one slave owner kills his slave, is same as he would kill his horse, his dog or throw away his bike

Genocide too has a legal definition

Was British bombing of Dresden a Genocide ?

NO

It was a "war crime" defined by UN .. but not genocide

Genocide is when an ethnicity, Nation, is intentionally deliberately killed

America killing of indigini Indians was a "Genocide", California paying $5 a head for killing Indians .. that was Genocide

Stalin enacting communism agri policy leading to millions to famine is not genocide as Stalin did not intend to cause famine .. neither millions dying during "relocation" in Russian industrialization is a genocide as Stalin was not deliberately and intended people dying.

Was American attack on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and up to million dead a genocide ?

NO .. many war crimes but no genocide


Now, question is, why some nations, societies , cultures do "genocide" .. why there no genocide in some other cultures ?

Reason is, to do genocide , deliberately and intend to kill a whole ethnicity or people" , one must look down to those people.

Cultures of "Looking down on other cultures, people" exist is some cultures, nations .. and .. in some nations does not

Russia, is a very multi ethnic country .. Alina Kabaeva, Putin's girlfriend, Her father is a Muslim Tatar and her mother is Russian .. Russians mix, marry from all ethnicities among Russia for 100s of yrs .. do Russians look down on their Muslim republics (let alone blond blue eye Ukrainians) ? do Russians look down on Chechens ? NO

https://youtu.be/YvKjFmDrItg?t=15


But not so in many western countries

That is why German Genocide Holocaust happened in Germany .. (Western and not Eastern Orthodox) Christian cultures were looking down to Jewish population for centuries

https://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/m ... pation.htm
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3 ) Human rights .. any Genocide in Russian history ?

HP, you're pulling our leg.

Just in the soviet period we had the mass starvation of the ukraine-- the holomodor -- 10 million people dead by artificial starvation, used by stalin to crush the independence movement.

Then there was the ethnic cleansing deportation projects, the tartars are quite adamant that their forced removal from their homelands was an act of genocide.

Russification was not any cuddlier than Westernization or Sinicization.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/pre ... adquarters


Press Conference by Secretary-General António Guterres at United Nations Headquarters

“Genocide is strictly defined in international law. And for the UN, we rely on final legal determination by appropriate judicial bodies,” Guterres responded.

It is extremely bad to "twist" what a genocide is .. that diminishes the real Genocides.

Genocide is not killing innocents, neither killing civilians.

"Völkermord", in english genocide, is "deliberate intention" to kill a nation, ethnic .. must have the intention to deliberately kill

Biden throwing half cooled Genocide, War Criminal etc no good .
.

Such feeble attempts at sophistry are not going to convince anyone.

. . .

Pls post reputable link showing Russians killed anybody during the Soviet-Russia occupations .. pls post

Ukraine | Executed Renaissance

Ukraine | Holomodor

Poland | Katyn Massacre

Baltics | Soviet repression and deportations in the Baltic states

Hungarian Revolution - 1956

Prague Spring - 1968

Soveit-Russian war crimes in Afghanistan

Summary.

Soviet-Russian war crimes

to which one may add

[Post Soviet-Russia] Russian war crimes

No one, notably Ukraine, wants to be "Russian".

Still waiting for a post showing Russia did a genocide fitting the UN definition of genocide (that I have explained above)

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https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/04/1 ... ng-voices-

West silencing dissenting voices to control narrative on Ukraine war


.. independent media outlets say their dissenting voices are being silenced by the US and its allies.

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“They are absolutely desperate because they need to win the PR war for Western audiences. They already lost it inside Russia. The problem is what I call NATO stand, the spectrum of the whole NATO sphere. There's only one narrative that is allowed. It's the narrative that comes from the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon, and all of us independents have been silenced little by little and especially these past two weeks,”

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“We are telling it like it is; what's really happening, especially in Mariupol and the Donbass; the fact that Ukraine has absolutely no chance to win anything in this war. And of course, the only solution from the point of view of Big Tech is to cancel us,” he added, referring to two volatile regions in eastern Ukraine.

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The geopolitical analyst expressed hope that there will be “Indian platforms, Iranian platforms, Pakistani platforms, African platforms, Latin American platforms, soon emerging all over, and that will be the end of Big Tech as controlling social networks.”

European Joe sophisticated, he can't be fooled anymore (after WW2 experience) .. and .. the other 6 Billion world population free to read on the net all what really happening.

Question remains, why "authorities" want to fool American Joe ? that the question.
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[Typhoon]

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https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/04/1 ... ng-voices-

West silencing dissenting voices to control narrative on Ukraine war


.. independent media outlets say their dissenting voices are being silenced by the US and its allies.

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“They are absolutely desperate because they need to win the PR war for Western audiences. They already lost it inside Russia. The problem is what I call NATO stand, the spectrum of the whole NATO sphere. There's only one narrative that is allowed. It's the narrative that comes from the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon, and all of us independents have been silenced little by little and especially these past two weeks,”

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“We are telling it like it is; what's really happening, especially in Mariupol and the Donbass; the fact that Ukraine has absolutely no chance to win anything in this war. And of course, the only solution from the point of view of Big Tech is to cancel us,” he added, referring to two volatile regions in eastern Ukraine.

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The geopolitical analyst expressed hope that there will be “Indian platforms, Iranian platforms, Pakistani platforms, African platforms, Latin American platforms, soon emerging all over, and that will be the end of Big Tech as controlling social networks.”

European Joe sophisticated, he can't be fooled anymore (after WW2 experience) .. and .. the other 6 Billion world population free to read on the net all what really happening.

Question remains, why "authorities" want to fool American Joe ? that the question.
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Rather, the question is who, besides you, cares about obvious agitprop from Iranian PressTV about some obscure Russian fake news site called "ASB Military News".

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Reuters | Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship "Moskva" sunk

Ukraine: "'Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй'; tr. Russky voyenny korabl, idi na khuy; Russian warship, go f*ck yourself."

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Reuters | Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship "Moskva" sunk

Ukraine: "'Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй'; tr. Russky voyenny korabl, idi na khuy; Russian warship, go f*ck yourself."

you are mistaken, falling for western propoganda.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtzJ8c6xucg


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Europe decoupling


https://money.usnews.com/investing/news ... as-cut-off

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/europe- ... -taps.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge ... 022-04-13/

BERLIN (Reuters) -Germany would face a sharp recession if gas supplies from Russia are suddenly cut off, the country's leading economic institutes said on Wednesday, and the government said the war in Ukraine poses "substantial risks" for Europe's largest economy.

A sudden stop in Russian energy supplies - an adverse scenario and not the institutes' baseline expectation - would slow economic growth to 1.9% this year and result in a contraction of 2.2% in 2023, they said.

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"If gas supplies were to be cut off, the German economy would undergo a sharp recession," said Stefan Kooths, vice president and research director business cycles and growth at the Kiel Institute for the World Economy.

The cumulative loss of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2022 and 2023 in the event of a such supply freeze would likely be around 220 billion euros ($238 billion), or more than 6.5% of annual economic output, the five institutes said.

German deep recession means depression in the rest of Europe

In the meantime, Russia sells it's gas to China for 3 fold price she was selling to Germany

German, European Joe knows all this

In the meantime American LNG is pushed on Europe for, at least, 6-8 times price of Gas Europe was getting from Russia

A bit silly

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Reuters | Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship "Moskva" sunk

Ukraine: "'Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй'; tr. Russky voyenny korabl, idi na khuy; Russian warship, go f*ck yourself."

you are mistaken, falling for western propoganda.

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Very good.

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https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/ar ... ted-states

Ukraine has become a proxy war for the United States

Russia’s outright defeat is now paramount to Washington, rather than peace in Ukraine.

Trouncing Putin will remove an old foe, undermine the alliance between Moscow and Beijing, and allow the US to refocus total hostility on China

Poor Ukrainians
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