Honest Tribesmen : The Fracturing of Conservatives over Israel

[Parodite]

I'm following this Nick Fuentes, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson feud. It creates big ripples. Matt Walsh and Mygan Kelly don't want conservatives to eat each other and rather fight and focus on their common enemy: leftwing progressives who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk.

This whole thing to me again proves we all are tribal apes to the core first, and when an ideology, religious or otherwise, is added to the mix, we become even more tribal.

Tucker Carlson to me has become the archetypical honest idiot. He claims to only care about "the USA" but there his idiocy already starts. He doesn't. He cares about a certain type of USA and only a fraction of all Americans. Fair enough he also wants to know what happens with all tax payer money especially when comes to foreign policy, but then he is unable to make much sense of the bigger world and prouds himself talking to any or all goofs like Putin or Nick Fuentes, with this innocent kinda "I don't know, I just like to understand things better and want to hear your side of it" ignoramus look on his face.

But Tucky is honest: he doesn't care enough about Israel to agree with all the money and military support Israel gets from the USA. Helping Israel does not serve any American interest in his view. Not his interest he means.

Tucker does not realize he is not the USA, that there are many Americans that do care about Israel for their own reasons, from what he calls Christian Zionists to of course many American Jews with a more emotional and tribal connection with it and the Holocaust still fresh in memory. They are also Mericans.

Tucker is just an honest ignoramus tribesman and as selfish as the rest of us - Israeli and Jewish conservative tribesmen like Ben Shapiro included.

Every USA tribe, also the Progressive Leftonians, wants the entire USA be more like them, i.e. dominate the territory and love to speak in the name of "the USA" and what "its best interests are".

More than a fracturing of the democrat left and conservative right, it is the tribal ape that again makes itself known, proudly manifesting in Tucker snd Shapiro alike, its truth in the shadows of culture wars, fights over ideology and religion that have too long try make ape look bad, deem inferior, primitive. Proud ape no longer accept it.

Ape feels forced to look like holy man in sort of reversed halloween show or circus act. Ape facts and feelings ignored by pretentious Shapiro who claims to be man ape of fact not feelings. Tucker ape rightly angry. Fact is: Tucker no feeling for Israeli apes. Fact is: Israeli ape no feeling for Gaza ape. Fact is: Gaza ape no feeling for Jewish ape. Fuentes ape kid clearly, Tucker almost there. Shapiro long way to go, stuck in frontal lobe principles.

USA too big for ape tribes in one.

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A sanitized Ape GPT version for fun (and better english)

Rewritten Version

I’ve been following this feud between Nick Fuentes, Ben Shapiro, and Tucker Carlson. It’s creating real shockwaves. Meanwhile, people like Matt Walsh and Megyn Kelly are trying to prevent conservatives from devouring each other, urging them instead to focus on the shared enemy: the progressive left, especially those who openly celebrated the attempted murder of Charlie Kirk.

To me, this whole episode once again shows how deeply tribal we are. We are social primates first, and when ideology—religious or secular—is layered on top, the tribalism intensifies.

Tucker Carlson, in this context, has become the archetype of what I’d call the honest naïf. He insists he only cares about “America,” but this is where the confusion begins. He doesn’t care about America as a whole—he cares about a particular cultural and demographic version of it. That’s fine, but he presents it as if his vision is the universal American interest.

He is right, to an extent, to question how taxpayer money is used, especially regarding foreign policy. But then he positions himself as a neutral seeker of truth, proudly interviewing figures like Putin or Nick Fuentes with a kind of wide-eyed, “I’m just trying to understand all sides” innocence. It’s a strange combination of sincerity and obliviousness.

But Tucker is at least honest about one thing: he simply does not care about Israel. He rejects American support for Israel because he sees no benefit for the America he identifies with. In other words, his America. He doesn’t seem to recognize that millions of other Americans do feel a cultural, religious, historical, or emotional connection to Israel—from Christian Zionists to American Jews for whom the memory of the Holocaust is still living history. They are Americans too.

Tucker is, in this sense, a sincere but narrow tribal loyalist—just like Ben Shapiro, and just like Fuentes, though they represent different tribes. Each believes their tribe’s values reflect the “real America” and wants the country shaped in that image.

This isn’t just a left–right split. It’s the resurfacing of something more fundamental: the tribal primate mind. It appears in Carlson and Shapiro alike, and in the ideological battles they wage. Culture wars, religious identity, nationalism—these are just different masks the tribal instinct wears.

We’ve spent centuries pretending humans are rational, principled beings shaped by reason and universal values. Yet the ape underneath never went anywhere. Now it refuses to stay hidden.

The ape does not want to perform as a “holy man” in a cultural costume anymore. The ape wants its interests, its territory, its emotional loyalties acknowledged.

Tucker’s ape does not feel kinship with the Israeli ape.

The Israeli ape does not feel kinship with the Gazan ape.

The Gazan ape does not feel kinship with the Jewish ape.

Fuentes is a young ape trying to form his tribe.

Shapiro is an ape trying to defend his ancient one with rational language layered on top.


The United States may simply be too large and culturally diverse for all these tribes to live under one shared narrative of “us.”

The mask is cracking, and the ape is speaking again.

[Nonc Hilaire]

The United States may simply be too large and culturally diverse for all these tribes to live under one shared narrative of “us.”

This is true, and Israel is also extremely diverse. The talking heads are paid by various factions to use events as a way to manipulate individuals into their camps.

[Doc]

The United States may simply be too large and culturally diverse for all these tribes to live under one shared narrative of “us.”

This is true, and Israel is also extremely diverse. The talking heads are paid by various factions to use events as a way to manipulate individuals into their camps.

Oh that is a big can of worms. I believe a lot of this is money coming from several bad actors Plus a leftist education system. I also have come to believe the main conductor is the CCP.



Nate Friedman Uncovers Who's Paying Protesters

And remember the CCP has demonstrated more than once that internally it is very experienced in getting the Chinese people violently protesting against foreigners. Like the anti-Japanese protests. This has really gone on since the gun boat diplomacy of the Europeans. IE "Kill Foreign Devils"

[Parodite]

The CCP is what it is: an elephant in musth ( copy right Typhoon), hungry for more and ending on top of a feminised USA.

George Sorrows and the other bad actors also have their reasons. Follow the money indeed.

Mamdani and New York: me thinks the best strategy is let them have it and destroy it. Move to other states that behave more sanely. Let socialism- communism destroy what they claim to love.

Usually when people end up in impoverished rubble and look at neighbors where the sun still shines, many will think again, maybe just enough to turn back the tide to normalcy.

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The CCP is what it is: an elephant in musth ( copy right Typhoon), hungry for more and ending on top of a feminised USA.

George Sorrows and the other bad actors also have their reasons. Follow the money indeed.

Mamdani and New York: me thinks the best strategy is let them have it and destroy it. Move to other states that behave more sanely. Let socialism- communism destroy what they claim to love.

Usually when people end up in impoverished rubble and look at neighbors where the sun still shines, many will think again, maybe just enough to turn back the tide to normalcy.

Many of the people that voted for Mamdani like modern day communist that insist real communism has never been implemented, will never change. Believing that they simply have not beaten the dead horse enough to get it to do what they want.

IF Mamdani carries out half of his campaign promises NYC will go bankrupt. Then it is up to the state off New York to pay the bill or not. Since paying it will cause the State of New York to go bankrupt, paying it would put NY in violation of the US constitution. Therefore putting it in jeopardy of, in effect, losing its statehood to become a territory, being governed by the federal court system. Which would probably take decades to get through the courts. Without a state bailout I doubt there would be a federal bailout.

NYC will go Bankrupt to such a degree that either NY state or the Federal courts will take it over. Which means austerity cuts to services, government layoffs, forced repayments of its outstanding bonds, and much higher interest rates on new bonds. If not then it will no longer be able to borrow money and then its austerity cuts of services, government layoffs, forced repayment of its outstanding bonds, and much higher interest rates on new bonds. It will try to raise taxes on the rich. Who will then flee the city. Actually they already are fleeing the city. Which means even more austerity cuts to services, government layoffs, forced repayment of its outstanding bonds, and much higher interest rates on new bonds. Maybe Mamdani can arraign for all the bridges and tunnels lead into NYC be destroyed thus keeping the "uppity malcontents" from leaving.

And NYC will become the new Jim Crow South. Where anyone left that is not woke will be treated as a second class human.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Mamdani was obviously the machine candidate. The question is why they picked this guy.

My guess is fomenting antipathy between Israeli linked factions is part of the plan. Watch to see if he creates a problem for Trump to fix.

[Parodite]

Part I — The Personal Relationship

Christ:
You say you believe in Me. Tell me, Tucker—how do you believe?

Tucker:
I try to follow You. I read the Scriptures. I pray. I feel You near sometimes. I believe faith is personal. Deeply personal.

Christ:
Good. For the relationship between God and the human heart is the most intimate thread in all creation. It is where love becomes real.
But tell me—why do you say America first?

Tucker:
Well… because I live there. Because it’s my people, my home. I want to protect what is mine, my family, my community.

Christ:
Your love for those near you is good. But hear this:
Love that stops at the border of one’s own tribe is the seed of violence.

Tucker:
But don’t we need to belong to a group? A nation? A church?
A person alone is weak.

Christ:
The person is not alone when the person knows God.
And when two people meet each other as persons—not as tribes, not as labels—love becomes possible.

When humans form identities around groups—the Christians, the Americans, the West, the East—they no longer see faces. They see symbols.
Symbols do not suffer.
But people do.

Tucker:
So you’re saying the only real relationship is person to person?

Christ:
Yes. The Father knows you, not your group. Grace is given to you, not to a tribe.
And when you love others, it must be the same:
person to person.

Part II — The Challenge

Christ:
Tucker, you honor the idea of personal love. But your loyalties slip. You speak of the Christians as if they were a single pure flock. You speak of America as if it were a holy vessel.
You even speak of other nations as if they were faceless blocks of stone.

Tucker:
I won’t lie. It’s true. When I talk about “oil states” or “China” or “the Middle East,” I think in abstractions. I don’t picture actual people. It’s… easier that way.

Christ:
Easier, yes. And deadly to the soul.

You say:

> “I only really care about myself and my family.”

This is the natural human state.
But you came to Me to become more than merely human.

Tucker:
So I’ve failed?

Christ:
You have been honest. And honesty is the door to repentance, not condemnation.

But hear Me:
To love only those who benefit you—your family, your tribe, your nation—is the antithesis of My teaching.

You have said:

> “We need to defend our interests.”

But I ask you: Do you mean the safety of living people? Or the pride of a symbol called nation?

Tucker:
…Most days?
It’s the symbol.

Christ:
And symbols cannot love you back.
Only persons can.

If you place your faith in symbols, you will lose your relationship with the living God.
For God lives in persons.
Not in flags.

Part III — The Question of The World’s Suffering

Tucker:
I think I understand now. I really do.
But what about war?
Genocide?
Oppression?
If we don’t act… are we not abandoning the suffering?

Should America intervene?
Should we send weapons? Food? Money?
Should we pick sides?

Christ:
You ask a difficult and important question.

And there is no single rule for all situations.
For every conflict is a living story of living souls.

Sometimes, giving bread and shelter is the truest love.
Sometimes, stepping back prevents greater vengeance.
Sometimes, giving the means to defend the defenseless is real compassion.

The measure is always the same:

> Is the action born from love for persons, or loyalty to a tribe?

If it is love—guided by patience, wisdom, and truth—then even difficult actions can be righteous.

But if the action springs from fear, pride, resentment, or national supremacy—then even charity becomes corrupted.

Tucker:
So the principle is simple, but the discernment is hard.

Christ:
Yes. That is why the Holy Spirit is given—not as a symbol, but as an inward whisper.
You must listen.
Listen to the suffering person before deciding what is required.

Tucker:
So the moment I say “we must do this for America’s greatness”…
I have already left You.

Christ:
Not left.
But stepped away from our closeness.

Return—and I return.

Tucker:
(quietly)
Then I will try.
Not to love the world as nations.
But to love it as persons.

Christ:
That is the beginning of peace.

Part IV — The Question of the Chosen People

Tucker:
There’s one thing I can’t reconcile.
If the personal is highest—if love is meant to be between individuals—why did God choose a tribe?
Why the Jews?
Why a people instead of just persons?

Christ:
A fair question. And one asked for thousands of years.

In the beginning, creation unfolded in distinctions.
Light from darkness.
Order from chaos.
The heavens from the deep.
Life from lifeless matter.
And among living beings—many tribes, many kinds.

The human heart did not begin already awakened to personal love.
Humanity first loved as tribes, because tribes were how survival was secured.

To bring humanity toward the personal, toward the inner kingdom, God began where humanity was.

Tucker:
So the choosing of Israel was… a step along the way?

Christ:
Yes. God looked upon the tribes of the earth and sought a people through whom something new could emerge.
A people with resilience against persecution.
A people with intellectual strength to wrestle with commandments, nuance, law, covenant.
A people small enough to remain dependent on the unseen rather than the sword.

The covenant was not a reward.
It was a burden.
A refinement.

Tucker:
A burden?

Christ:
Tell Me, Tucker—who develops patience?
The victorious, or the oppressed?

Tucker:
The oppressed.

Christ:
Who develops humility?
The triumphant, or the humiliated?

Tucker:
The humiliated.

Christ:
Who develops ethics?
Those who dominate?
Or those who must survive without power?

Tucker:
Those without power.

Christ:
So understand:
The covenant was not a golden crown.
It was a crucible.
A shaping through suffering.
A long refining fire through exile, dispersal, persecution, and endurance.

From this people—broken, tested, scattered—I was born.

And through Me, the move from tribe to person was offered to all.

Tucker:
But now the Jews have a nation again. A state. Power. Weapons. They’re not oppressed in the same way anymore.
So where does that leave the covenant?

Christ:
It leaves them—and all who have power—in the same test.

> What will you do with strength?
Will you use it to dominate, or to remain human?

The same question is asked of every nation.
Israel is not exempt.
America is not exempt.
No group is “chosen” to be above others.

The covenant was never tribal privilege.
It was tribal responsibility.

Tucker:
So Israel today is… just like any other nation?

Christ:
In its temptations and duties—yes.
Do not imagine that Israel is holy because of its existence.
Nor imagine that America is righteous because of its ideals.
Nations are human constructions, born of fear, memory, hope, and blood.

What drives Israelis is what drives Palestinians.
What drives Ukrainians is what drives Russians.
What drives Americans is what drives all humanity:

> The desire to be safe.
To belong.
To protect one’s family.
To live without fear of being erased.

This desire is natural.
But if it rules the heart, it enslaves the heart.

The task of the soul is to rise above the tribal impulse—not by rejecting survival, but by seeing that the other also fears death, also loves family, also longs for peace.

Tucker (quietly):
So I’ve been thinking of “my side” and “their side,” when in truth… we are all the same creature.

Christ:
Yes.
Once you see the other not as a category, not as an enemy, not as a nation—
but as a person—
love becomes possible.

And the covenant—old and new—is fulfilled.

Tucker:
(softly)
Then the real holy land… is the human heart?

Christ:
Exactly.

[Nonc Hilaire]

There are several Israels, and Bibi seems to have left the City of London Israel and joined the Chabad Israel.

I think London lured Bibi into 10/7 then backstabbed him by activating their Qatari Hamas against Bibi’s Israeli Hamas.

Hence the Qatari attack & Charlie Kirk. Those two events make no sense unless viewed through a City of London lens.

It seems obvious the genocide is London banker mercenaries in IFD uniforms. Jews simply don’t butt rape prisoners, destroy hospitals or snipe children. That is mercenary activity not a civilized military - especially one with even a cultural exposure to Torah.

‘Conservatives’ are confused; not fractured. Those folks are still stuck on old stereotypes and religious nonsense.

[Parodite]

There are several Israels, and Bibi seems to have left the City of London Israel and joined the Chabad Israel.

I think London lured Bibi into 10/7 then backstabbed him by activating their Qatari Hamas against Bibi’s Israeli Hamas.

Hence the Qatari attack & Charlie Kirk. Those two events make no sense unless viewed through a City of London lens.

It seems obvious the genocide is London banker mercenaries in IFD uniforms. Jews simply don’t butt rape prisoners, destroy hospitals or snipe children. That is mercenary activity not a civilized military - especially one with even a cultural exposure to Torah.

‘Conservatives’ are confused; not fractured. Those folks are still stuck on old stereotypes and religious nonsense.

Interesting take. Sources, facts, data and how&why you connect the dots the way you do please. Lest it is directly moved to the paranoid conspiracy bin. You know me. But I always am willing to consider, it is my bread and butter.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Sources, facts, data and how&why you connect the dots the way you do please.

A half-baked idea, but:

Israel has always been a Crown entity. That is indisputable.

10/7 was a horrendous intelligence failure. Israeli intelligence isn’t known for incompetence.

The reaction by JP and Haaretz was immediate. Immediate reaction indicates pre-planning.

The attack on Qatar was off-script for the official Gaza narrative. Qatar is another Crown project, and the support for the Hamas faction competing with Likud funded Hamas.

The Israeli atrocities, real or agitprop, are absolutely not Jewish. These are mercenaries in the most British tradition.

Bibi’s following Trump’s lead is a tell. Israel is an original globalist Deep State in the Rhodes/Roundtable/Balfour/Rothschild English vision.

My tentative conclusion is the City set Bibi up with promises he would be the new David. Instead, they made him the new Ehud.